Pogba

Nordmore said:
Because it's not their headache but the manager and fans. In fact, on a business perspective they probably even like noisy ones like him. It generates clicks and media coverage.
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yes thats what i meant, no reason for on the pitch stuff. Merch and buzz makes perfect sense they forever throw stupid money at him
 
spiriticon said:
And now we are reaching 10 years again.

Look, i'm not even saying anything controversial here. Pogba having 0 Prem titles is just a fact
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Exactly…..Robson only scrapped a couple as a bit part. Whiteside Moses McGrath Coppell McQueen Macari…I get why we’d banter Gerrard, Liverpool fans think he was the second coming and the greatest player to play the game since 1990.

Not sure why we’d randomly pick one of our players out of endless lists of players, who actually has won the biggest prize in the sport ?
 
Jeppers7 said:
Exactly…..Robson only scrapped a couple as a bit part. Whiteside Moses McGrath Coppell McQueen Macari…I get why we’d banter Gerrard, Liverpool fans think he was the second coming and the greatest player to play the game since 1990.

Not sure why we’d randomly pick one of our players out of endless lists of players, who actually has won the biggest prize in the sport ?
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And yet you don't get why people banter Pogba if the club deems him worthy of the highest wage in the league?
 
yeti said:
im a long time Pogba detractor . never thought he;s lived up to the hype or delivered in the way I expected. but...

we fkn need him right now. Its true when a teams form is poor the stock of those who dont play increases ( vdb , lingard, pogba ) . Pogba has that chutzpah he has the sneer that all top players have. He has the aura and personality that other players look at and feed off. I think he would be a positive influence in the dressing room and help unite a fractured squad. but he needs to be in the team. The sooner he comes back the better
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Bollocks. It's time to get rid. Him and his agent are toxic.
 
Amar__ said:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1746617/manchester-united-unveil-new-medical-facility

“It's a wonderful facility, something which we can show off to new players when they come in,'' Moyes added. “They will have the best medical facilities at a football club in Europe, and probably the world.

“It's something which will make a big difference to the club. Undoubtedly it will help us get players on the field quicker more often and in turn we should have less injuries as well.''
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Well, it's better then Everton.
 
spiriticon said:
And yet you don't get why people banter Pogba if the club deems him worthy of the highest wage in the league?
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I don’t get why our fans would banter our own players?

Then again I don’t get why Pogba has had to come out and deny these contract rumours, or why the discussion is ongoing after he did, or why he had to video himself having an operation? Or why nobody cares that Matic, Shaw, Lukaku and many others went abroad for rehab but when Pogba does….he’s a disgrace. I don’t get why some players can extend their summer holidays after international tournaments and get lauded, when Pogba cuts short his holidays after winning the World Cup to start the season for us with no pre season…..to be abused on the pitch at the end of that season.

But then the fans can’t understand why he’d have reservations about signing a new contract for us. (25 billion a week I’ve heard and he flies in from Dubai on a Friday for the game…..disgrace)
 
Jeppers7 said:
I don’t get why our fans would banter our own players?

Then again I don’t get why Pogba has had to come out and deny these contract rumours, or why the discussion is ongoing after he did, or why he had to video himself having an operation? Or why nobody cares that Matic, Shaw, Lukaku and many others went abroad for rehab but when Pogba does….he’s a disgrace. I don’t get why some players can extend their summer holidays after international tournaments and get lauded, when Pogba cuts short his holidays after winning the World Cup to start the season for us with no pre season…..to be abused on the pitch at the end of that season.

But then the fans can’t understand why he’d have reservations about signing a new contract for us. (25 billion a week I’ve heard and he flies in from Dubai on a Friday for the game…..disgrace)
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Why not? The way the club is run is a joke. When one of your besties is a scouser, believe you me there is no banter about United that I have not heard.

I don't really care what Pogba does. He can stay (but not for a ridiculous wage) or he can go. I'm just happy to see the end of it. That said, to REALLY see the 'end of it' he probably has to go.

The reason why he is more targeted for banter is simply because he was once the record fee for a player on a fairly high wage with only a few minor titles for United, not because he behaves better or worse than the other players currently in the team. With big fees come big expectations, even from oppo fans. The fee may not be his fault but that is the way it is.
 
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spiriticon said:
Why not? The way the club is run is a joke. When one of your besties is a scouser, believe you me there is no banter about United that I have not heard.

I don't really care what Pogba does. He can stay (but not for a ridiculous wage) or he can go. I'm just happy to see the end of it. That said, to REALLY see the 'end of it' he probably has to go.

The reason why he is more targeted for banter is simply because he was once the record fee for a player on a fairly high wage with only a few minor titles for United, not because he behaves better or worse than the other players currently in the team. With big fees come big expectations, even from oppo fans. The fee may not be his fault but that is the way it is.
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To clarify…..I get why opposition fans banter us.
 
spiriticon said:
I happen to agree with the banter on this occasion, is all. I laugh at it because it is also a joke to me.
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Yep.

I also feel the same with the Maguire banter. From gross misconduct while on a holiday abroad during a global pandemic, getting arrested as club captain of Manchester United impeding pre season and his mental weakness, combined with terrible performance, lack of pace and being relegated 4 times (?) In his career, while still being our captain, can only be a joke.
 
spiriticon said:
And yet you don't get why people banter Pogba if the club deems him worthy of the highest wage in the league?
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Because we haven't signed proper central and defensive midfielder in years, hoping he is the one. And in reality he is one of our least reliable players in squad when you combine his injury record and stints of poor form/searching for hor his proper position by every single manager so far.
 
roonster09 said:
Not sure if this is posted.

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They will have been in his ear for a few years. Raiola will have done absolutely nothing to encourage bids from anyone else so there’s no way we could have shifted him these last few years. He’s just sat his contract out waiting for his PSG payday.
 
Well, no big surprise to see PSG mentioned as Paul's most likely destination. If he does not renew in January, I expect Ralf to put Pogba on the bench and not use him unless he has no alternative whatsoever. Pogba is entitled to run out his contract, whereas we are entitled to concentrate on players who will be with us and our next manager.
 
In his 5 and a half years at Man United, Pogba has been injured for 81 games and counting. That’s well over 2 full Premier League seasons worth of matches for which he has been absent.

Please sell him.
 
Is there actually any other takers for him? I’m hearing a lot of noise about Rudiger, nothing about Pogba. Get the feeling he’ll sign for us at the last minute as no one else wants him on his current salary.
 
Last summer their fans had banners up saying Pogba isn’t welcome here or something to that effect, if he’s not welcome there with the players they have surely that’s saying something. I think he’ll do better there but he will definitely be yet another weak point in their defence for any proper hungry team playing them in the CL. Press Pogba in his own half and profit.

Wonder if he’ll get fit or if his fitness continues to frustrate? I’d bet anything they are only offering around the same money he’s on now on a long deal but with a big signing fee. Mixed feelings about it. Hes been good on the left but he’s not been the catalyst I expected and it would be good to get those wages off the bill and Mino out but we have so many other players earning way above their performance and fitness grade that it’s going to take years to sort out, not that I think we are even trying to get value at all. It’s way beyond that. We are so far from being well run it’s unreal. Pogba and his situation is just the tip of the iceberg
 
If we keep him now we can expect to on the same road 3 maybe 4 years down the line.

Our club is that much of a mess it seems inevitable he will sign, I also doubt he is going to get what he's asking elsewhere.
 
hobbers said:
He will get what he's asking from PSG or Real, a huge signing on fee for him and for Raiola.
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Has he done enough for Real or PSG to want him, would he even get in PSG’s team? And if so why hasn’t there been talks, he’s free to sign.
I think they haven’t come in and now he’s shocked and left with us or less wages.
 
Steve 007 said:
Has he done enough for Real or PSG to want him, would he even get in PSG’s team? And if so why hasn’t there been talks, he’s free to sign.
I think they haven’t come in and now he’s shocked and left with us or less wages.
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Bingo, exactly what I think as well.

Come on, if we can see he's massively overated then surely other clubs managers and director of footballers can.

He's not getting nowhere near what he's been demanding, the only club stupid enough to give him what the wants will be us.
 
Steve 007 said:
Has he done enough for Real or PSG to want him, would he even get in PSG’s team? And if so why hasn’t there been talks, he’s free to sign.
I think they haven’t come in and now he’s shocked and left with us or less wages.
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Because players are generally respectful to the current club . Has Mbappe signed with Real yet ?

We don't know if there has been any general talks. Given it's Mino, they would have agreed the contract long back and just waiting for summer to announce it.
 
Steve 007 said:
Is there actually any other takers for him? I’m hearing a lot of noise about Rudiger, nothing about Pogba. Get the feeling he’ll sign for us at the last minute as no one else wants him on his current salary.
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Which should tell us everything we need to know.
 
bond19821982 said:
Because players are generally respectful to the current club . Has Mbappe signed with Real yet ?

We don't know if there has been any general talks. Given it's Mino, they would have agreed the contract long back and just waiting for summer to announce it.
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The difference is that there’s a lot of noise, we all know Mbappe wants Madrid and vice versa. Where’s the Pogba noise? A few articles here and there and nothing much else. Where’s the big mouth agent? The same agent who’s already marched Haaland to meetings all over Europe?
 
Steve 007 said:
Is there actually any other takers for him? I’m hearing a lot of noise about Rudiger, nothing about Pogba. Get the feeling he’ll sign for us at the last minute as no one else wants him on his current salary.
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If our corporate overlords had any sense they would cut his contract in half simply by that logic. Supply and demand after all.
 
Steve 007 said:
The difference is that there’s a lot of noise, we all know Mbappe wants Madrid and vice versa. Where’s the Pogba noise? A few articles here and there and nothing much else. Where’s the big mouth agent? The same agent who’s already marched Haaland to meetings all over Europe?
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It's true, the big foreign clubs tend to publicly announce their intentions to players, yet haveñt really heard a peep from anyone. My money is now on him getting that highest paid player status here instead, which would be quite ridiculous.
 
Caesar2290 said:
If our corporate overlords had any sense they would cut his contract in half simply by that logic. Supply and demand after all.
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Totally true, how much could a peak Ronaldo command? He’s on less here than he was on at Juventus.
We should pay Pogba £160k and the rest on very generous bonuses, find out how good he actually is.
 
If we are losing Pogba to PSG on a free then why aren’t we in for Mbappe? I would give him the Ronaldo treatment and see if he flinches. Maybe Madrid still can’t afford to keep up? The only thing is I’m assuming, I’ve no idea really what he’s on, that’s he already on mega money and would be looking for Greizmann type money? Still would be an excellent deal on a free.
 
Ali Dia said:
If we are losing Pogba to PSG on a free then why aren’t we in for Mbappe? I would give him the Ronaldo treatment and see if he flinches. Maybe Madrid still can’t afford to keep up? The only thing is I’m assuming, I’ve no idea really what he’s on, that’s he already on mega money and would be looking for Greizmann type money? Still would be an excellent deal on a free.
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Because he is already with both his feet in Madrid?
 
Ali Dia said:
If we are prepared to pay Pogba 500k why not offer Mbappe 600k? All he can do is say no
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I don't think it's a question of money. He would have resigned with PSG otherwise. The man just has his sights on Madrid.
 
Steve 007 said:
Totally true, how much could a peak Ronaldo command? He’s on less here than he was on at Juventus.
We should pay Pogba £160k and the rest on very generous bonuses, find out how good he actually is.
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Because in real world no one negotiate like this especially when Pogba can leave for free at the end of the season. There is no noise from Pogba's camp mean his agent already had it sort out already perhaps? This is Pogba's last big contract.
 
I’m hoping he’s had his last big contract. Someone else can pay him to sit on the bench or in the physio room.
 
Steve 007 said:
Totally true, how much could a peak Ronaldo command? He’s on less here than he was on at Juventus.
We should pay Pogba £160k and the rest on very generous bonuses, find out how good he actually is.
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Ronaldo is 36 years old. He had 1 year left on his contract with Juventus and he was not offered to extend that partnership. If he'd stayed there he could have found himself without a club, 6 months before the 2022 WC.
Instead of that, we offered him a 2(+1) years deal, potentially keeping him relevant in top football until the 2024 Euros. It is a no-brainer.

And on top of that, he was granted a signing bonus that kept his income for the 21/22 season on par with what he was going to make in Italy. So the wage cut is just a myth.


Pogba is only 28, he's not going to take a wage cut, not here and not anywhere else. Real Madrid is interested in him. People at Juventus do love him. Paris would be more than happy to bring in one of France's WC heroes.
 
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