Pogba

Mad really, we could have Pogba, Martial, and DVB, all leave in the next few months, players that cost us well over £150 million combined, all at or near prime age, and fully capable of making a big impact whereever they go, yet we'll be lucky to get £30 million in fees, and will likely end up paying part of ones wages for a season or two. And no doubt people will be celebrating them going aswell.

I hope we have deep pockets this summer.
 
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C'est Moi Cantona said:
Mad really, we could have Pogba, Martial, and DVB, all leave in the next few months, players that cost us well over £150 million combined, all at or near prime age, and fully capable of making a big impact whereever they go, yet we'll be lucky to get £30 million in fees, and will likely end up paying part of ones wages for a season or two. And no doubt people will be celebrating them going aswell.

I hope we have deep pockets this summer.
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I think we can recoup 30m each for VDB and Martial, Newcastle just paid 25m for a striker with 3 goals. I still think that VDB hasn’t had a chance but if I was him I’d go. We should try to get some a Lingard money too, even 10m would help.
 
Steve 007 said:
I think we can recoup 30m each for VDB and Martial, Newcastle just paid 25m for a striker with 3 goals. I still think that VDB hasn’t had a chance but if I was him I’d go. We should try to get some a Lingard money too, even 10m would help.
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We had to pay Sanchez £7 M to make him accept the free transfer to Inter.

Players on higher wages than their level warrant are usually unsellable. And this Covid crisis makes it even worse.
 
Ed Woodward deserves 20 years in prison, absolutely destroyed this club.

Recruitment and contracts have been crimes against United.

Alot for ragnick and murtogh to sort.

Start by moving on the highly paid egos.
 
Steve 007 said:
I think we can recoup 30m each for VDB and Martial, Newcastle just paid 25m for a striker with 3 goals. I still think that VDB hasn’t had a chance but if I was him I’d go. We should try to get some a Lingard money too, even 10m would help.
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Lingard will go on a free that much is pretty certain now, the only way Pogba doesn't is if signs a contract that makes him the best paid player in the premiership, which would make me feel sick tbh, I'd rather we just let him go at this point.

I think with Martial the idea of the loan is to put him in the shop window, but other clubs aren't stupid and so I can't see anyone giving us £30 million for him and paying him what we do, so I see a longer term loan with us paying a big lump of his wages, or our next manager gives it another go with him, we'd do well to get £30 for DVD, but even if we do then the way transfers are paid for will mean that will just cover what we still owe for him.

Wtih Cavani and Mata also likely to leave without any sort fee, plus us maybe not getting CL, then we are going to need to do something pretty significent this summer or the next manager is not going to stand a chance.
 
honestly i think we may be better off avoiding european competition altogether. we can offload 8 or 9 (vdb, mata,
lingard, martial, jones, pogba, matic, cavani) while bringing in 3-4 high impact players (2 midfield, 1 striker, maybe a defender). we fill out the rest of the squad with youngsters (amad, elanga, tuanzebe, garner, etc...) and focus all our energy and focus on the pl. if recruitment and manager selection is decent and the boardroom decision making radically improved, we can have a decent 2022-2023. that can serve as a solid base to re-build (again). not sure any of this will happen mind.
 
talking robot said:
honestly i think we may be better off avoiding european competition altogether. we can offload 8 or 9 (vdb, mata,
lingard, martial, jones, pogba, matic, cavani) while bringing in 3-4 high impact players (2 midfield, 1 striker, maybe a defender). we fill out the rest of the squad with youngsters (amad, elanga, tuanzebe, garner, etc...) and focus all our energy and focus on the pl. if recruitment and manager selection is decent and the boardroom decision making radically improved, we can have a decent 2022-2023. that can serve as a solid base to re-build (again). not sure any of this will happen mind.
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I'm on board with this, better to be out of it completely for a year, then we can really trim off the excess fat from the squad, knowing we only have to deal with the PL, FA Cup and League Cup.
 
Come on Mino. I'm actually begging you. Just find a club for Pogba, any club, so that we can all be done with this.
 
talking robot said:
honestly i think we may be better off avoiding european competition altogether. we can offload 8 or 9 (vdb, mata,
lingard, martial, jones, pogba, matic, cavani) while bringing in 3-4 high impact players (2 midfield, 1 striker, maybe a defender). we fill out the rest of the squad with youngsters (amad, elanga, tuanzebe, garner, etc...) and focus all our energy and focus on the pl. if recruitment and manager selection is decent and the boardroom decision making radically improved, we can have a decent 2022-2023. that can serve as a solid base to re-build (again). not sure any of this will happen mind.
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Great managers and great players want to play In the champions league. We need to be there.
 
lost7 said:
Think he should go, it just never worked out for him with us and I reckon we could find a much more suitable player in our midfield at half the wages. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Madrid and goes on to become one of the best midfielders in the world to make us look like even bigger mugs, though
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Been reading this message on the loop for about 4 years
 
Steve 007 said:
I think we can recoup 30m each for VDB and Martial, Newcastle just paid 25m for a striker with 3 goals. I still think that VDB hasn’t had a chance but if I was him I’d go. We should try to get some a Lingard money too, even 10m would help.
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You wont get nothing for Lingard and I think we will struggle to get £30 mill for the other 2 combined. These are all players that want to leave, not being chased by another club.
 
Pintu said:
Ronaldo is 36 years old. He had 1 year left on his contract with Juventus and he was not offered to extend that partnership. If he'd stayed there he could have found himself without a club, 6 months before the 2022 WC.
Instead of that, we offered him a 2(+1) years deal, potentially keeping him relevant in top football until the 2024 Euros. It is a no-brainer.

And on top of that, he was granted a signing bonus that kept his income for the 21/22 season on par with what he was going to make in Italy. So the wage cut is just a myth.


Pogba is only 28, he's not going to take a wage cut, not here and not anywhere else. Real Madrid is interested in him. People at Juventus do love him. Paris would be more than happy to bring in one of France's WC heroes.
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Not true. No other big club is interested in Pogba at this salary. Juventus Director said last season they've never been back for Pogba. Big mistake for him not to sign that contract as I don't think he's a Ralf kind of player and his injury record will scare off teams. Time for us to move on with fresh academy talent. Zidane and Hannibal will be very good players maybe not the attacking talent of Pogba but better balance.
 
Rocknrolla69er said:
Ed Woodward deserves 20 years in prison, absolutely destroyed this club.

Recruitment and contracts have been crimes against United.

Alot for ragnick and murtogh to sort.

Start by moving on the highly paid egos.
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I see many saying Sancho is on 350k, that would've been done under Murtough no? Seems like we're still doing the same mistakes. How can you refuse Rashford 350k if Sancho is on that if true, both not worth that and really need to work up to that level.
 
Steve 007 said:
Great managers and great players want to play In the champions league. We need to be there.
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We very likely won't be in the Champion's league. We look a level below even Tottenham, West Ham, and Arsenal. Maybe that could turn around with a midfield signing in January, but I'm starting from the assumption that there's no champions league next year. The realistic alternatives look like europa league, conference league, or nothing. Would prefer nothing between these options.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Mad really, we could have Pogba, Martial, and DVB, all leave in the next few months, players that cost us well over £150 million combined, all at or near prime age, and fully capable of making a big impact whereever they go, yet we'll be lucky to get £30 million in fees, and will likely end up paying part of ones wages for a season or two. And no doubt people will be celebrating them going aswell.

I hope we have deep pockets this summer.
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They're sunk costs. Unfortunately the only thing to do is if they have no future here get them off the books by selling or letting them walk.

The club need to be wise in how they replace them... And therein lies the rub
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Wtih Cavani and Mata also likely to leave without any sort fee, plus us maybe not getting CL, then we are going to need to do something pretty significent this summer or the next manager is not going to stand a chance.
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Depends on who it is. I hope we're getting a man that players want to play for and won't mind a season out of Europe.
 
Seeing that we get consistently overrun by teams in the lower half of the table I'd say let all these over paid primadonna types (Pogba, Martial, Bruno etc.) bugger off and invest in some hard nosed lads who will put in a shift and also let the younger lads such as Elanga and Mejbri have a crack. We need to change the culture and reward success, not shirt sales. I've followed United since I was a young boy in the 1950's and I've never hated a squad as much as this.
 
Unless real madrid come forward for him which is not a sure thing, then he would be silly to sign a pre-contract elsewhere until he knows who our next manager is as I don't see many better options for pogba outside of united. Juventus are just as bad as us at the moment with them struggling to get a top 4 position and financially not strong, there is psg but will pogba's ego like the idea of fading into obscurity in a league that doesn't come anywhere near matching the fanbase/exposure that the premier league or even la Liga can have for a player, I mean look at how little the spotlight is on messi these days compared to when he was at Barca.

If Bayern or Chelsea came forward for him then i could see the sense for him to sign with them but that is about it.
 
Lee565 said:
Unless real madrid come forward for him which is not a sure thing, then he would be silly to sign a pre-contract elsewhere until he knows who our next manager is as I don't see many better options for pogba outside of united. Juventus are just as bad as us at the moment with them struggling to get a top 4 position and financially not strong, there is psg but will pogba's ego like the idea of fading into obscurity in a league that doesn't come anywhere near matching the fanbase/exposure that the premier league or even la Liga can have for a player, I mean look at how little the spotlight is on messi these days compared to when he was at Barca.

If Bayern or Chelsea came forward for him then i could see the sense for him to sign with them but that is about it.
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He's obsessed with Real Madrid, he'll go there even if he has to take a pay cut
 
There's probably no truth in this but isn't this essentially what happened when Mourinho was sacked? If he has made this demand, and that's a big if, he shouldn't play for the club again.
 
Yeah right. Barely seen the manager since he’s been here, I think Pogba has done a weeks worth of training

Really interested to see how he does in the 433 system we’ve played lately though, hopefully between now and the summer he can help us get 4th
 
Castia said:
Yeah right. Barely seen the manager since he’s been here, I think Pogba has done a weeks worth of training
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If I was allowed to go on holiday every season when I was injured under a different manager, and then the new manager stopped me from doing that, I'd probably want him gone as well if I didn't give a shit about United
 
kouroux said:
I don't like all this noise hinting at Rangnick staying longer than the interim period. Have we not learned anything with Ole ?
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The difference is that Ralf might actually know what he has doing. There is a bloke that I know who worked in Germany for a long time who knows Ralf quite well, this guy just told me to give this time. Ralf doesn't take shit from anyone and has everything methodically prepared and planned. That might actually be exactly what we need at the moment. I at least am prepared to give him time with this mess we are in.
 
Ralf clearly said that Pogba would have to prove his worth to earn a new contract. His exact words were ‘Pogba wants to impress the board’. That implies that Pogba doesn’t automatically have a contract offer on the table (atleast not a contract offer which is financially acceptable to him). It’s all posturing from both sides though, we know nobody wants to pay Pogba what he wants and our board don’t want to lose him for nothing either.
 
Bennie Blanco said:
Are you implying you'd like him to stay? Please Lord give me strength.
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There's nothing wrong with that. He isn't actually horrible. On his bad day we still get a minimum level of creativity through the middle. DDG is the only player who has any claims on consistency in the squad. Every single one was a debut season wonder or has only clocked up a couple months of good performances. Pogba is unlikable to many so it seems to really stick out. If RR says he should stay I'd back it.
 
arthurka said:
The difference is that Ralf might actually know what he has doing. There is a bloke that I know who worked in Germany for a long time who knows Ralf quite well, this guy just told me to give this time. Ralf doesn't take shit from anyone and has everything methodically prepared and planned. That might actually be exactly what we need at the moment. I at least am prepared to give him time with this mess we are in.
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That's not a direct comparison between Ole and Ralf but I don't get the club's communication. If Ralf was meant to stay longer then why all this bs about him staying short term then moving up in the hierarchy ? I'm afraid the fans might just being played for fools
 
kouroux said:
That's not a direct comparison between Ole and Ralf but I don't get the club's communication. If Ralf was meant to stay longer then why all this bs about him staying short term then moving up in the hierarchy ? I'm afraid the fans might just being played for fools
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Yes I agree with that. Just come out from the start and say that he is here for short term with the possibility of a long term tenure.
 
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