IF the player was given some assurances that he could leave for a higher fee should he still want to then perhaps he wasn't happy enough to stay longterm despite the contract extension & raise. It's rarely as simple as well he signed an extension
Philippe Coutinho
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IF the player was given some assurances that he could leave for a higher fee should he still want to then perhaps he wasn't happy enough to stay longterm despite the contract extension & raise. It's rarely as simple as well he signed an extension
We should have told barcelona our price immediately and informed alll parties that they have a week to sort it out or it doesn't happen.
This going without for a month of the season is shit.
This going without for a month of the season is shit.
For clubs Liverpool selling him now could mean a 50 m pounds loss if they fail to quality for UCL. Will barcelona cover those costs in the bid?
Ideal scenario is that Liverpool stand their ground and turn down whatever is offered.
Barcelona are shown they can't always get their own way and Liverpool have an unhappy player in the dressing room. Win win.
Barcelona are shown they can't always get their own way and Liverpool have an unhappy player in the dressing room. Win win.
Are you a Liverpool fan or a United fan? lol.
On a serious note, walk the talk and setting up an example isn't really a smart move. Pick your battles imo. What do Liverpool get out of this apart from saving face? Take the money, reinvest the dough in areas with much pressing needs. My Liverpool supporting family/relatives all feels that Mane and Firminho are much more important.
Never understood why Klopp had only VVD and Keita and no backup. Are there no similar level alternatives elsewhere? What about that Seri guy Barca was or is after.
Anyway, iirc, Suarez didn't kick up such fuss. Correct me if i'm wrong tho.
I've already given my opinion on this, I hope the move does not materialise as I do not feel he is the right profile for what is needed - this is where it is good to count on this board's idiocy to fail
I still don't buy this idea that Coutinho has to turn up for Liverpool because of the world cup. He could easily be average, miss quite a few games, etc and turn up for international duty play well and stay in the team. Too many Liverpool fans hoping that this is the answer to their dreams. Has their been any examples of this level of animosity before, Ronaldo and Suarez were asked to stay and agreed a deal, in this case we are seeing Coutinho be openly rebellious.
Don't get me wrong this is great for us, Liverpool don't sell and they end up with a player who doesn't want to be there, either playing v average, or openly falling out with the manager and team mates.
Don't get me wrong this is great for us, Liverpool don't sell and they end up with a player who doesn't want to be there, either playing v average, or openly falling out with the manager and team mates.
United fan ofcourse, but i'd live to see this league compete on higher levels in europe and a good higher level of competiton is better for us too to get to higher levels ourselves.
You must also clear your position than that you want to see him sold because it weakens liverpool? Or you are a barcelona fan too ?
. Or your position is players should not be held against their wishes which in case would apply to other players too incuding sanchez who might go to city if wenger lets him go.Also what might liv get? They'd set a precedence for the clubs in the league for the players who act like this in all epl clubs when barcelona or madrid come calling . And if iv and barcelona meet in ucl they could genuinly score 2-3 goals past bareona defense and midfeild , how much they will conceed is a different question altogether.
Balague, classic idiocy at it's finest. A player on an annual salary of 10 million? Won't happen
Because it is a matter of planning for the club, in this case Liverpool. If any player at any club can go in a second (not sure if you would prefer a notice period?) there will be no chance for clubs to run on any sort of long term plan. It could be the other way as well. What if he had been very seriously injured in in the spring after signing this contract? Should Liverpool have any right to just pull out, out of nowhere? This is what happened to Zlatan. He dragged out the negotiations to see if United qualified for Champions League and then got injured before the negotiations were complete.
And also, regarding the comparison between manular workers contracts and footballers contracts. A world class fotballer earns >100k/week, not 1K. Compare footballer contracts to contracts between companies instead. Those are often over several years and you cannot just pull out without specific reasons. When there are so much money invested you need predictability.
The move is irrelevant. If Coutinho was thinking to move if something better came up (Barca, Real or whatever would be considered a step up for him) he had several options:
* Release clause (could be until 31st july 2017 if not the entire length of the contract, like Fellaini at Everton and De Gea at United).
* Shorter length of contract.
* Wait with signing anything until the transfer window shut, just like De Gea did in 2015.
These options are fine. No United fan hates De Gea for this. With these options he might have had to settle for less money. And if they insisted as you wrote in bold, do like Sanchez and van Persie, say you will not sign any more contract. There doesn't have to be an agreement you know.
Players allready have massive power over clubs compared to other sports. This is not pre-Bosman. Look at the NHL. Players are bound to one specific team they do not even choose themselves until they are 33 (some exceptions if you have been on low wage etc.). You can be drafted at 18 to Edmonton way up in Canada while you originally wanted to play in California or Florida. They also have a cap on wages.
It happened to our club two years ago. Di Maria wanted out and United sold him even though he was only a year into his contract. It was a huge disappointment because he would have been world class for us if it had worked out. The club was right to sell him though.
Do you have any (semi) reliable information (by that I mean something other than the likes of Sport or Sun) that he was given assurances which have been broken?
Don't think he was given any:
1) Barça probably wouldn't be in for him at all if they didn't have to let Neymar go
2) making those kind of assurances mid-season would be extremely weird
3) Coutinho stated he wasn't planning on going anywhere shortly after the extension
We'll never know for sure but it seems unlikely to me.
The problem for Liverpool is that coutinho is very well regarded by Tite and he is not in danger to lose his spot. Coutinho might as well go on rest or "injury" mode from january onwards.Dont tell me players dont do this cause they do specially players very important for their national team. Even juve great Platini did it.He is also Brazil's second top scorer behind Neymar and their chief playmaker.
He could be asked by Tite to take it easy and not burn himself to the ground before the world cup especially as its likely liverpool wont be winning any thing. Brazil were humiliated in the last one and they want to have a great showing as they again have superstars in Neymar(was encoraged by Tite to go to PSG to play with Brazillian teamates),Coutinho and jesus.
It would be of interest to Liverpool to sell him for a high bid and attack the transfer market for Draxler/Dimaria/Lucas etc. Maybe try and get another defender too.
He could be asked by Tite to take it easy and not burn himself to the ground before the world cup especially as its likely liverpool wont be winning any thing. Brazil were humiliated in the last one and they want to have a great showing as they again have superstars in Neymar(was encoraged by Tite to go to PSG to play with Brazillian teamates),Coutinho and jesus.
It would be of interest to Liverpool to sell him for a high bid and attack the transfer market for Draxler/Dimaria/Lucas etc. Maybe try and get another defender too.
There isn't any. In April he was talking about how he won't move to Barca but rather stay in Liverpool.
This happened with Luis Suarez in almost the same fashion except the team in pursuit was a direct rival
And you think Coutinho's side, which had no problem leaking some sudden falling out with Klopp, just forgot to mention that?
That assurance must be in the contract. If it's not there it doesn't exist.
I think the player was actually no more pushing for the transfer than Bellerin, when negotiations were going nowhere between Barcelona & Liverpool and ultimately with the Reds saying he was not available at any price then the player went on strike. The falling out with Klopp stories never came out before simply because the player has always been pretty professional. The fact that the player went on strike and the stories came out would suggest there was some sort of breakdown - whether there was a promise not kept, no one knows for certain.
However, the fact that this has happened to Liverpool repeatedly favors the player's stance than it does that of LFC, IMHO. And again, I don't even want the player - I am merely speaking about holding a player that wants to leave
It wasn't with Suarez and he claims Rodgers & LFC assured him he could leave
Again: Coutinho's side has no problem airing dirty laundry in public, but they hold back on that quasi release clause you'Ve made up? Because...??
Bellerin hasn't missed a minute for Arsenal this season, Coutinho already missed three full matches. I don't see the similarity. One seems to honour his contract, the other isn't.
The similarity in the two is that both were targets, both clearly had interest in making the move and neither created a fuss. Barcelona didn't like the price set for Bellerin and moved on, fortunately, for Semedo. The moment where it changed for Coutinho I already described and what quasi release clause have I made up?
Guillem Balague also claimed Pep would never join City! Wouldn't trust his sources entirely!
Everyone is on poor Philippe's back. No wonder he has that injury.
What I mean is that this agreement is not worth much if it's not on paper.
That said, if there was an agreement, I would be surprised if Liverpool did not keep their word. You don't want players to think they are not trustworthy.
Well, we know that CR got assurances from SAF and that wasn't in any contract
I agree on your last point but you have to wonder since this has happened as often as it has
When does he withdraw the transfer request, then? Does he hold out until the window shuts in the hope Barcelona make a last-ditch attempt, or does he try and appease Liverpool Football Club and its fickle fanbase by withdrawing it now in an attempt to build bridges?
Poor Phil. He grew a backbone and all he got was a niggly back injury.
Poor Phil. He grew a backbone and all he got was a niggly back injury.
Did he really say that?
Barcrlona, get your arse in few and bid a serious amount for him.
Perhaps. Keita just doesn't strike me as a Coutinho replacement.
I'm not sure I understand your second paragraph.
Oh, I agree, which is also why I would've sold him by now and bought a good defender and a good midfielder. As I said before, it's ridiculous if we really only had those two candidates for two spots that obviously needed filling. If we had sold Coutinho and bought a great midfielder and defender, our team would've been stronger.
Haha yes I don't deny verbal agreements exists. I'm saying it's not worth much in the end IF the other part don't stand by their word. If it was important to me, I would get it signed. Managers can be sacked, CEO:s can resign etc.
I think he would be integrated back into the squad pretty quickly if he was forced to stay.
There's a world cup coming up.
Me neither. I can't make up my mind wether it's Klopps fault or FSGs.
As I remember it, Suarez wanted to move. Wasn't allowed to but was promised that he could the next season. He then went on to have his best season in the PL.
Obviously I don't know if Coutinho's gotten the same kind of assurances, but I find it hard to believe that he was promised a move just six months after signing a five year deal.
Barca can go get fecked. They just sold one for £200m and demanded all the money up front and are now trying to penny pinch. I'ts alright for people saying we should take they money and reinvest it. What money?. £113m of which around £30m is in very unlikley achievable add ons. The other £80m spread over 5 years. If they want him as badly as they are making out then cough up the £113m all at once up front.
On another not where are all these stories coming from in regards to him never wanting to play for Liverpool again or that he is on strike even that he has had a turbulent relationship with Klopp for the last 6 months? If it was that bad why resign? I know he wants to go and that he has handed in the transfer request but other than that everything else I have read has either originated from some report out of Spain or a family member back in Brazil.
I'm not saying he has not said any of this just that I have not seen any direct quotes from him or his agent.
On another not where are all these stories coming from in regards to him never wanting to play for Liverpool again or that he is on strike even that he has had a turbulent relationship with Klopp for the last 6 months? If it was that bad why resign? I know he wants to go and that he has handed in the transfer request but other than that everything else I have read has either originated from some report out of Spain or a family member back in Brazil.
I'm not saying he has not said any of this just that I have not seen any direct quotes from him or his agent.
If Barca gave up on him after making him royally unsettled, that would be a very good scenario
When are people going to understand that Liverpool, or any other club, will happily sign a player to a 5 year contract even if he has full intention to leave? Only fans seem to think that these contracts mean that the player and the club will have to be joined at the hip for the life of the contract.
These contracts are not meant to be unbreakable. No contract, ever, is meant to be unbreakable completely. Most contracts in other walks of life state within them how to break out of them and any associated penalties.
Football contracts are just guarantees for the club that if the contract is broken, they receive proper renumeration. At the end of the day, Coutinho or any other player can just walk around the pitch and claim to be doing his best, especially with that back injury he has. Then that precious five year contract, even if he stays, will mean feck all.
These contracts are not meant to be unbreakable. No contract, ever, is meant to be unbreakable completely. Most contracts in other walks of life state within them how to break out of them and any associated penalties.
Football contracts are just guarantees for the club that if the contract is broken, they receive proper renumeration. At the end of the day, Coutinho or any other player can just walk around the pitch and claim to be doing his best, especially with that back injury he has. Then that precious five year contract, even if he stays, will mean feck all.
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