You can't force anyone to play realistically. He could put up his jersey and just stand still in the pitch theoritically.
Not ethical perhaps, but he can do just that.
Philippe Coutinho
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You can't force anyone to play realistically. He could put up his jersey and just stand still in the pitch theoritically.
Not ethical perhaps, but he can do just that.
Tbf to barcelona this time they didn't do anything wrong (they're being a cnut during fabregas saga though). They didn't tap the player up, they come with a reasonable offer, and tbf to coutinho its an offer too good to pass up, he probably have asked nicely to ve allowed to move
There's not really much Liverpool can do if he did -- like somebody said above, you can't literally force performance. At most, they would probably just fine him or rescind the contract. But there's no benefit for them in doing so for either of those options.
He could try the Willian Gallas 'if you don't give me a move I will score own goals if you play me' trick. I would be in favour of that.
He doesn't want to stay and Liverpool are getting well over his market value. I'm all for clubs standing up to players but the simple truth is if the offer is of a level the club could hugely benefit from the transfer, then it makes sense for all parties.
Spurs were in a similar position with the Bale transfer, they may very well have wasted money on a few average players but his transfer allowed them to spend big. Liverpool would be in the same position.
Spurs were in a similar position with the Bale transfer, they may very well have wasted money on a few average players but his transfer allowed them to spend big. Liverpool would be in the same position.
Won't that shoot down your transfer value, going a whole season not playing or trying to play?
Thing is if they want to sign any half decent player before the end of the window they've got to sell Coutinho now.
Big money moves for Van Dijk and Keita were already sunk before anyone knew that Liverpool would be getting a huge financial windfall. They're going to have to pay ridiculous fees to sign anyone now, but better to be doing these negotiations with the Coutinho money safely in the bank than it lingering on in Barca's accounts.
Big money moves for Van Dijk and Keita were already sunk before anyone knew that Liverpool would be getting a huge financial windfall. They're going to have to pay ridiculous fees to sign anyone now, but better to be doing these negotiations with the Coutinho money safely in the bank than it lingering on in Barca's accounts.
They can sue for breach of contract. And then force him to pay out his own contract.
Apprently Barca have signed Seri so does this signal the end of their pursuit for Coutinho?
18 Aug 17 - Liverpool immediately reject a £113m bid from Barcelona.
19 Aug 17 - Barcelona tell Liverpool that if they don't accept by Monday, they'll remove the offer
We don't need to sell and the owners don't want to. It appears as though Klopp wants to sell though. I wonder if that's Klopp''s line to the media so that when we keep Coutinho, he can say that he wanted to grant Coutinho's move but his hands were tied?
If Coutinho does stay, he's hardly going to sit out in a sulk with a world cup on the horizon
19 Aug 17 - Barcelona tell Liverpool that if they don't accept by Monday, they'll remove the offer
We don't need to sell and the owners don't want to. It appears as though Klopp wants to sell though. I wonder if that's Klopp''s line to the media so that when we keep Coutinho, he can say that he wanted to grant Coutinho's move but his hands were tied?
If Coutinho does stay, he's hardly going to sit out in a sulk with a world cup on the horizon
That would be hilarious, but he'd probably blaze his first couple of attempts over the bar!
I think the owners have muddied the situation. They have had their heads turned by the cash and Couthino knows it. Else Man City/Tevez is a good case study on how a very rich club can deal with this situation.
Barcelona have signed J.M. Seri from Nice as per RMC. If that is the case i think their coutinho pursuit is over. 40 million on paulinho, 40 million on Seri, they dont have enough left for both Coutinho and dembele, so one of them goes and Zorc has said he will sell dembele for 130 million so Coutinho might end up staying for one year.
They don't have money to sign players apart from the euros they got from the neymar sale? They had to sell to buy at the start of the summer?
Paulinho, Seri and Deulofeu for ~€100m is among the craziest use of a transfer kitty I've ever seen.
What on Earth are they up to?
What on Earth are they up to?
And after that year if he leaves he's not coming to Barcelona, as that would requite Seri and Dembele being huge flops, even if that happens we're all out of juice to pay what, the 140M Liverpool ask for him?
They were fecked due to huge wages of suarez/neymar/ messi and pique. The board had handled them like shit and they literally did not sigfn Paulinho earlier as he was too expensive for them (before they got neymar money). They have freed up wages but i dont think they will have any money left for both Dembele and Coutinho. Its one or the other i think.
Pretty sure if he stays, liverpool will let him leave for a set lower amount. He dreams of barcelona, I think he knows its now or never and will make another dirty move unless they sell him. If all else fails i think he will go to PSG next year to play with his brazillian mates there.And after that year if he leaves he's not coming to Barcelona, as that would requite Seri and Dembele being huge flops, even if that happens we're all out of juice to pay what, the 140M Liverpool ask for him?
We had like 70M for transfers at the start, the thing is getting rid of Ney's contract and potentially not paying him the Loyalty clause would put us above that amount, maybe like 40M in saving those things + Neymar fee
But our squad is overloaded in midfield, can't sign Coutinho if we get Dembele and Seri without performing a miracle like getting rid of 3 players on huge wages that don't want to leave Barcelona (Gomes, Arda and Rafinha)
If he really wanted to leave they screwed his deam, next year they can be more reasonable, but Barcelona may have 0 interest in him if this year's signings work
PSG is almost out of the picture with Neymar, Cavani, Di Maria and the prospect of getting Mbappe, unless Ney likes Coutinho so much that he demands for DiMa and Cavani to be sold, going for a front 3 of Mbappe, Ney and Coutinho
Deulofeu might not be a great player, but they still need backups. For 12M you literally can't buy anything these days. I haven't watched much of Seri, but i'd certainly prefer him at 40M than Coutinho at 150M or so. On Paulinho i agree, it seems crazy. The only possible logic there would be to get a BTB midfielder which would allow them an option of fielding Messi as a no. 10 in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Paulinho still doesn't make much sense if what the board and the coach say about Sergi Roberto being an important player is to be believed, he could easily play alongside Busquets there, that turns Paulinho into a 40M substitute
I'm glad we're not signing Coutinho for more than €80M, I'd rather use Ney's money to pay 200M for Griezmann in a man-for-man swap than overpaying for Coutinho, and that's knowing Griezmann goes back to a 100M clause the next summer, I'd gladly pay 100M extra now if overpaying for Coutinho was the alternative
Griezmann is far the better player. And that comes from a Liverpool fan. I hope your board thinks the same way as you.
Coutinho: I´m sorry Jurgen. I love you. I love Anfield.
Klopp: Come here, son.
Did I hear Klopp right in that post match interview (MOTD)?
Something like "It's not my decision...it's a club decision..and they did it".
That sounds like "the club" has decided to sell?
Something like "It's not my decision...it's a club decision..and they did it".
That sounds like "the club" has decided to sell?
I think this is fair enough. If you're not from England, or more specifically the Northwest, you won't feel that same visceral loathing for all things Scouse (or Manc if you're in or around the Merseyside area). I don't think your allegiance to United should be questioned, not in the twenty-first century now that Manchester United are a global entity. I'm old school, and Manchester-born, so I can't stand Liverpool, something that goes back a long way but has been intensified in the Premier League era thanks to their bitterness at our success. But I don't judge other fans. We arrive at United via many roads nowadays, which I'm fine with.
That would be an interesting spin in this story. Hope they don't sell and figure out a way to work with him... while he sulks lol.
They don't play the same position right? Barca still needs a Iniesta replacement.
Coutinho: I´m sorry Jurgen. I love you. I love Anfield.
Klopp: Come here, son.
Money is the problem my friend.
Sorry for my rather late reply.
No I didn't miss it but since they haven't sold him we can conclude that they were not interested in the money. Plus whatever inflated price they get for Coutinho will be accumulated to when they buy the replacement.
I agree with you if you mean that lots of player would not honor their contract in the same situation, but by principle a contract must be treated for what it is.
It takes two to tango and just because Barcelona lost Neymar doesn't automatically mean Liverpool have to accept to loose their best player who is 1,5 months into this new contract. There is no one on the market for them. To me this is not the missed opportunity of his life because Liverpool is holding him back, but because his new contract just started and he said he loved the club and wanted to stay long term and pay everything the club has given him.
What they will or won't do doesn't interest me. My point remains that it suited both parties for him to sign that contract, so people being up in arms as if he's fecked Pool over is ridiculous. Pool's hardline stance is augmented by the length of that contract, they are not the victim here.
A football contract is different from a standard labour contract. If you sign a new contract at your current company and a new opportunity arrives, there's nothing stopping you from compensating them for breaking it and take up the offer. Not the case here, hence all the drama.
Players pay lip service to the clubs all the time, and vice versa. Holding him to his words is a pointless exercise. They know clubs will have no problem discarding them if they no longer perform. Rio was dumped by Woodward in the dressing room our last game of the season, Rooney turned around and said how he loved the club after signing that big fat contract in 2010, despite essentially saying his teammates were crap days before. It's all part of the deal.
This is all business. There's no victim, no moral highground to be claimed. Barca want a good player at a fair price and are egging him on, Coutinho wants his move and is doing what he can to get it, and Pool are relying on the contract he signed to demand as much money as they can, full stop.
What a disgusting club.
Talk of a £130m bid....feck me he's worth £80m tops.
Barcelona blowing their cash here, Neymar out and replaced with Coutinho and Paulinho? Great business that.....I'd be fecking furious if I was a Barce fan.
Barcelona blowing their cash here, Neymar out and replaced with Coutinho and Paulinho? Great business that.....I'd be fecking furious if I was a Barce fan.
The same that is happening to Barca will happen to them if they get that money. Everyone will know they are sitting on a mountain of cash with less than two weeks left of the window.
The market has truly gone crazy when Barca is offering 130m for a player who:
1. misses 1-2 months due to injury
2. hugely overrated
3. not even worth 80m.
1. misses 1-2 months due to injury
2. hugely overrated
3. not even worth 80m.
Your point about about contracts is not quite true, contracts are not, nor should they be a binding document forever. It is a legal document between two entities, what is interesting is that in many commercial contracts you would have some form of "exit clause". Without any form of exit clause it means a player is effectively tying themselves into a situation they cannot control, expecially if a court ever looked at it and decided that players don't have an option to continue playing without any form of exit and they are being put in a situation where they are under pressure to sign a five year contract.
We will either see a change in contracts or what players will sign up for.
Where' that talk?
While I agree that Coutinho and Paulinho can't replace Neymar, then in fairness, who can? Who could Barcelona buy that could really replace the third best player in the world?
Some might say Griezmann, but considering there's been almost no talk of him going, it seems that either he or the club isn't interested. And besides, he isn't as good anyway.
4. Doesn't suit their style of play.
They dont have one right now...
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