Philippe Coutinho
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It becomes a factor only when he has several options of the same level. If you are offered equal money at clubs that for the foreseeable future wont win anything, but guarantee you game time, then their attitude to letting go is worth considering. Bob from Kenya isnt going to refuse Liverpool to play for Watford because the latter is more lenient to players leaving them.
Where did I say Pool arent allowed to do all that?
If you read the post without your indignation, my point is demeaning him for loyalty is bs, since the contract benefits both sides. And all things considered, Pool are better off selling him rather than making it difficult, but if they dont, then scrap the good vs evil PR because each party is simply doing what is best for their own interests.
Yeah, I just don't see that happening much. Even then the player will have preferences like city, country, relationship with manager, size of clubs etc that will trump this factor.
what a fecking prick this guy is.
if i where klopp i would say that he will NOT leave and play with the reserves for the rest of the year. if he behaves like a grown up by january he can start to train with the first team again.
signs a fecking 5 year deal a few months ago and now throws a tantrum. why are so much footballers so damn stupid? i mean his IQ must be around 70. complete dickhead i really hate players like that.
the only funny thing about the whole story is that it is liverpool.
if i where klopp i would say that he will NOT leave and play with the reserves for the rest of the year. if he behaves like a grown up by january he can start to train with the first team again.
signs a fecking 5 year deal a few months ago and now throws a tantrum. why are so much footballers so damn stupid? i mean his IQ must be around 70. complete dickhead i really hate players like that.
the only funny thing about the whole story is that it is liverpool.
Where did I say Pool arent allowed to do all that?
If you read the post without your indignation, my point is demeaning him for loyalty is bs, since the contract benefits both sides. And all things considered, Pool are better off selling him rather than making it difficult, but if they dont, then scrap the good vs evil PR because each party is simply doing what is best for their own interests.
Why do you always bring up loyalty? I think the words you are looking for is VALID CONTRACT. It´s also pretty easy to see why Coutinho is portrayed as the bad guy here. Cause he is the bad guy.
Strange if that's true.
Because Pool fans and some people here have been having a go at him for being disloyal? My original post was a direct refutation of that asinine attitude.
If he breaks his contract, Pool are within their rights to fine/discipline him, there are proper channels for that. As things stand, both sides are simply doing what they think is best for them, there's no moral highground to be claimed.
You do realise the £60-70m you quote would not get them a player of Coutinhos calibre?
He is faking an injury and seemingly making up blatant lies about Klopp, that not even United fans believe. A professional would communicate his transfer wish internally, let the clubs negotiate and otherwise train and play hard. If Liverpool says no, then it´s no. Nobody forced Coutinho to sign a five year contract without a release clause. If he wanted a release clause, he should have negotiated one in exchange for lower wages or played out his old contract. The guy is making nearly a million euros a month, became a Brazil starter and plays in the Champions League. What a horrible life he has.
Utd were forced to sale ronaldo when they had saf as their manager , arsenal - fabregas, Spurs - Bale ?
Barcelona and madrid do actually bully everyone atleast in transfer market, the pull is so strong specially for the south-american and spanish players that they usually have half the battle won regarding the player's choice.
That's BS
He is faking an injury and seemingly making up blatant lies about Klopp, that not even United fans believe. A professional would communicate his transfer wish internally, let the clubs negotiate and otherwise train and play hard. If Liverpool says no, then it´s no. Nobody forced Coutinho to sign a five year contract without a release clause. If he wanted a release clause, he should have negotiated one in exchange for lower wages or played out his old contract. The guy is making nearly a million euros a month, became a Brazil starter and plays in the Champions League. What a horrible life he has.
He submitted a transfer request and Pool turned down a 82m offer minimum. His 'injury' is the same when De Gea wasn't 'in the right frame of mind' to play.
I see very little point in apportioning blame on the players in cases like these. They do what is best financially for them, and likewise the clubs, otherwise they wouldn't be offering those contracts. As for release clause, Pool wiped their arse with Suarez's release clause during the Arsenal debacle, I doubt it'd help the matter.
The fact here remains that it suited both party to sign that contract, and now it suited Coutinho to press for his transfer and Liverpool to use that contract to demand top money. All the high minded moralising about contractual obligation is misguided given the very different nature of a football contract and the standard labour contract.
I would be because we're behind both in Euro trophies
That was the rumor when he was linked early in the summer but, that was pre Neymar leaving.
If they get £100 M or so for him it will be an absolute bargain. Liverpool's attack is pretty good. They have issues defensively. They could revitalize their squad by selling Coutinho. Think Liverpool should swallow their pride and let him go.
I don't think he's worth more than that. Vastly overrated
Coutinho was the primary reason their attack was pretty good. Losing him will be massive as there aren't any suitable replacements available this late in the window.
He is kind of injury prone and I feel Liverpool are more reliant on Mane than Coutinho at the moment. He was injured quite often last year. In the last match too, they looked very good going forward. Of Course, Coutinho is a good player and they would like him to stay, but he has his head turned and I think they could actually improve by selling him, especially if they are getting some insane amount like £100M - £120M.
They are reliant on both of them so losing one would obviously be a massive loss, which is magnified even more when you factor in their failure in signing Klopp's primary summer target.
What are you on about. How can any United fan be torn in that kind of scenario is beyond me.
I'm starting to think that Coutinho staying isn't ideal for them either. Not that he'll down tools in a WC year, but there would have to be a lot of discontent in that dressing room after all this.
To me they lack a creative CM like a Verratti more than an inside forward like Coutinho. I know Coutinho was supposed to switch and play there this season though. No wonder they wanted Keita so bad. Wij, Milner and Henderson with his Hollywood passes in CM - no creativity.
Definitely. You can't tell a club you want to play elsewhere then suddenly return to the dressing room as if nothing happened. At some point the owners just need to pull the trigger on this deal and move on.
Yes, it will definitely be a loss, but I feel they could reduce the damage by bringing in new players, especially if they get a huge sum. However, am not sure whether they will be able to get another player in such a short time and maybe that is why they are not so keen on selling him at the moment.
Personally hoping that he stays, which means they have a disgruntled player in their a hands so they won't be able to use him effectively and they will also not get the funds to improve their team
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Yes, it will definitely be a loss, but I feel they could reduce the damage by bringing in new players, especially if they get a huge sum. However, am not sure whether they will be able to get another player in such a short time and maybe that is why they are not so keen on selling him at the moment.
Personally hoping that he stays, which means they have a disgruntled player in their a hands so they won't be able to use him effectively and they will also not get the funds to improve their team
That would make sense if this was early June and not mid August where most good players have alreaday moved or committed to staying with their existing clubs. They are just going to have to rough it and hope for the best. Not exactly a bad predicament for the rest of us.
I can't stand Barca or Liverpool so I'd be torn
No real United fan would dislike Barcelona as much as Liverpool. It's just not possible.
Well guess I'm a fake fan then!
I have discussed this before but not growing up in England (and in the past 15-20 years) I hardly come across Liverpool fans. The few I do are generally really good football fans since it's a bit of a unique team to support now. Barcelona/Madrid/Arsenal(because of their title wins in the 000's)/Bayern/Chelsea have the most annoying fans that I have to face every day at school before and now at work. I imagine it's different growing up in England.
This will be controversial and I sure hope it doesn't get me banned from this site but as a kid trying to get into football the two teams I liked were United and Liverpool. The rivalry and history of the two clubs always intrigued me. Got drawn more towards United because of Giggs, Scholes and Beckham. Since I have started supporting United I obviously want us to wreck them every time and see them suffer to other teams. That said, I would not want to see Liverpool relegated and deep down want them to at least keep/reclaim their elite team status. Again, this is going to make many people hate me but I can really appreciate nights like the Miracle of Istanbul in 2005. The United Liverpool rivalry is incredibly rich and I want it to go on for years to come, so we can keep ridiculing RAWK!
On the other hand Barcelona and all their fans I have to deal with every single day can get relegated!
I personally think that it won't matter much, he'll go back play and if he starts to perform well all will be forgotten.
Yes get the feeling that it might be a little too late to sign quality players and as you said it might be good news for other top 4 and title contenders. They just won against Crystal Palace. Felt Palace were really poor going forward. Mane was playing very well. Benteke was really disappointing.
He'll be itching to rejoin that free flowing team we saw struggle to beat palace today.
Bet he can't wait.
Bet he can't wait.
Klopp just needs to send Coutinho a tape of their performance today against Palace.
No way will he want to leave after that.
No way will he want to leave after that.
If you treat people like royalty they start acting like royalty.
Arsenal and Spurs were bullied with Fabregas and Bale in the same way Van Persie to United was. It had nothing to do with them being the Spanish giants and more to do with them being higher on the food chain (wages and trophies). When an English club or any other club for that matter can offer similar wages and chances of the best trophies, they are never bullied. The fact is since the turn of the century, only 2 or 3 transfers fit that criteria; Ronaldo to Real and Neymar to PSG, maybe Figo to Real counts too. Those were the only transfers where a a club that can offer as much money and chances to win trophies as anyone lost a player they wanted to keep. It makes it the exception, not the rule.
Nah, Barca gets Coutinho who'll proceed to flop while Liverpool spend the Coutinho money on another signing like Andy Carroll. Best of both worlds.
Nah, Coutinho had a big impact on them last season and while I don't think he's a £100m+ player, money in the last two months (especially) has gone silly because of new TV rights payments.
Also, they wouldn't get "£100m-£120m". First, it's about £80m with the rest being if Barca/Coutinho win multiple trophies OR Ballon D'Ors OR both (unlikely) and second, Barca wanted to pay the c£80m over five year.
Just got all that Neymar money and act like fecking cheapskates. I'd tell them to xxxx off too. Also it's coming to the end of the transfer window so harder to get decent replacements.
The games changed.... so much money about that "smaller" clubs like Liverpool, Dortmund, etc can say no to the elite or demand top dollar+.
Can't stand either club so whether he stays or goes, one will be peed.... great.
I agree. It will be kind of difficult to replace Coutinho so late into the transfer window. Can't see Liverpool selling him.
Can coutinho just refuse to play for Liverpool like that? Isn't he under contract?
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