Kind of agree, plus there's almost certainly a talent or two in their academy to see them through to January if need be (get them through CL group/keep them in the title race). I think all the doom and gloom portrayals of Barca in recent weeks is way too overhyped.
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Kind of agree, plus there's almost certainly a talent or two in their academy to see them through to January if need be (get them through CL group/keep them in the title race). I think all the doom and gloom portrayals of Barca in recent weeks is way too overhyped.
Aye, we probably will.
113 million, for that guy?
God damn. He's good, but not that good.
They shouldn't have rejected that.
God damn. He's good, but not that good.
They shouldn't have rejected that.
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According to Deloitte world football ranking Liverpool in 9th-10th in terms of Revenu in 2015-2016 with 403.8 Million Euros
Barcelona are 2nd only to United in 1st who have 620.2 Million Euros in revenue for 2015-2016
this works out to 65%
Are there other figures that are not included that we should know about? The Premiere league deal already kicked in 2016/2017 no?
Pretty sure it's in his article from today, could be wrong though.
Klopp will have his own 'pull factor'. Im sure there are many upcoming players who would love to play for him.
Good plan. Teams will just forget that Barcelona got 222M.
Pound also got significantly weaker in 2016 after Brexit so it must have brought Liverpool's revenue down as they generate a lot of that within UK but that will be offset by larger stadium and extra £30m or so from the new TV deal. Still, they will be minimum €100m off Barcelona at least and probably more.
Liverpool's reported revenue for fiscal year that ended on 31 May 2016 was £301m which is actually €330m at current exchange rate. Barcelona budgeted revenue for 2016-17 was €695m but realized €708m. Even if we assume Liverpool's revenue grew €60m in 2017 compared to 2016 (it'd be a big growth but possible with new TV deal), it'd still be only just above half of what Barca make.
whatever that "Pull factor" is it won't be the caliber of player to win anything, to be honest Judging by whats going on.
Even the resident pool fans don't believe he's worth anything near £100mil
As I understand it the current TV deal is 2016-19
I guess Liverpool will get some more dosh this year if they make the CL group stage - doubt it's that much though. They've also spent more net this year than last. Add in the fact that Barca just sold Neymar for stupid money and that the poster (I guess) doesn't think they'll buy Coutinho and i can't see any reason Liverpool would get close to 85% of the revenue.
IMO hes worth about 60 million.
thanks, I was just wondering why @KingMinger22 was certain enough that he would call someone a clown for questioning his claim...
See this, Barca are full of sh*t. They'd simply take Coutinho off Liverpool's hands and give them less than 20 million for them to spend this window, which makes the guys at rawk actually fair on their assessment of this bullsh*t offer. Is the Catalan club skint? Surely they can come up with an actual offer
The true fee is a guaranteed £80m, with a string of improbable targets triggering further payments
These 'never-never payments would include Coutinho:
- Winning multiple trophies in the same season
- Winning multiple Champions league titles
- Winning the Ballon d'Or as the world's best player
- Winning multiple trophies and the Ballon D'or in the same season
- Payment of the basic £80m fee staggered over five years
The true fee is a guaranteed £80m, with a string of improbable targets triggering further payments
These 'never-never payments would include Coutinho:
- Winning multiple trophies in the same season
- Winning multiple Champions league titles
- Winning the Ballon d'Or as the world's best player
- Winning multiple trophies and the Ballon D'or in the same season
- Payment of the basic £80m fee staggered over five years
Just like barcelona , liverpool will also have a huge fee on their hands if coutinho is sold, Unike united and clubs will know that, that is no easy way to get around that , and would the players hand in transfer requests for going to liv? dount that. This season liverpool will find whole lot tough to sign players
Where's the news from that's in the title?
But there is no clause in his contract to suggest they could buy him out. They got unwittingly robbed of Neymar. They will exploit everything they can. Because they have been exploited.
As a united fan. I love the fact they have been unstuck in this scenario.
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Ideally why should he go for any less than kylian mbappe's price.
They're going to end up paying us the sort of fee that would normally buy you three Coutinho's.
We should sell if they come back in again. It's clear he's willing to go further than I thought he would to force the move so we might as well cash in.
We should then use that money to improve the midfield and defence, which is a far greater concern to me than what we'd lose if we sell Coutinho.
We should sell if they come back in again. It's clear he's willing to go further than I thought he would to force the move so we might as well cash in.
We should then use that money to improve the midfield and defence, which is a far greater concern to me than what we'd lose if we sell Coutinho.
He needs to be sold at the best price now, no going back. But if it's happening Liverpool need to get it done soon. Even then they're going to get fleeced by clubs this late - that's if any deals can be done.
It's a tough situation for any club to be in. Not sure how you handle it.
you ain't the only one. But I won't be surprised. It's just funny to see clubs getting rinsed this silly season.
It's a kneejerk/panic buy situation after the disastrous results against RM this week.
He wasn't playing up front. Rooney was. He was playing on the left to accommodate Rooney.
They apparently had 120m anyway to spend on van Dijk and Keita and couldn't buy them or anyone, what is another 120m (even accounting for staggered payments and bullshit add ons) going to do?
He's not worth 120m until he is sold, I hope they tell him to feck off and let him rot, and have the self realisation and cop on to not put other players (see VVD) and clubs in this situation in the future when buying players.
He's not worth 120m until he is sold, I hope they tell him to feck off and let him rot, and have the self realisation and cop on to not put other players (see VVD) and clubs in this situation in the future when buying players.
16mill upfront this season, thats what Troy Deeneys left leg? Barca just got 222mill upfront in cash, its a derisory offer especially after turning the heads of two players that they're likely not going to get this window. The Pogba deal was the catalyst but PSG have well and truly fecked the market fees need to go back down at some point. Barca really need to be offering almost double if they really want him this window.
That to an extent, but more so the manner in which they lost Neymar to PSG when they clearly had no interest in selling him.
But this went event deeper when you take into consideration the "old" money/"new" money statuses that both Barca and PSG respectively represent. Bizarrely, given how hard it seems to be proving for Barca to get hold of replacements, the £200m sum has only really benefitted PSG so far - they've got hold of a world class talent and have firmly established themselves as the economic superpower in world football, whilst shaking up the entire transfer market valuations. The transfer of Neymar to PSG has totally altered the status of transfer fees and it seems the football world is split into two groups - those who are looking to purchase players hoping that Neymar's fee isn't going to hike up transfer fees across the board too drastically and those who are selling who hope that it will and will look to push for as much as possible. This is highlighted most obviously with Barcelona who are now looking to get in a replacement for Neymar. Not only do they have to contend with the inflated re-evaluation of footballers, but they also have to go about their business with every club under the sun knowing they have this vast sum burning a hole in their pocket. Everton were clever in spending their Lukaku money before that move was official as to stop selling clubs hiking up their prices, same with Bale when he left Spurs a few seasons ago.
I think with all of this taken into consideration Barca would probably be best to forgo bringing in a replacement this window, swallowing their pride and seeing what the market is like once it has settled a bit in January if need be. If they are really set on Coutinho long term, which I actually think they are, then they'll probably be able to get him in cheaper and with less drama next summer.
Barcelona offered 80M in five annual payments after they received 222M. Are Barcelona retarded? LOL.
Coutinho wants out tho. It will drive his price down.
@Damien could you please edit the BS title? Bunch of posters have already looked for and failed to find any sort of article or tweet to back that up, and it has already misled too many.
So, are Liverpool fans giving the same seething hatred they showed for young Sterling...? Genuine question.
Seems to me that what Coutinho is doing is way, way worse, he's leaving them totally in the lurch and is now, surely 'disrespecting the club' as Sterling was endlessly accused of.
It would trouble me if they weren't, to be honest. Especially given their behaviour during Suarez's racism issues.
Seems to me that what Coutinho is doing is way, way worse, he's leaving them totally in the lurch and is now, surely 'disrespecting the club' as Sterling was endlessly accused of.
It would trouble me if they weren't, to be honest. Especially given their behaviour during Suarez's racism issues.
£80m is still a good price for Coutinho and probably what he's worth or more. The fact that they received £198m for Neymar does not mean they have to spend most of it on a much worse player.
What he hell is happening with footballers prices this season? Even last season it was much more normal. People actually believe £80m for Coutinho and £100m for Dembele are derisory bids now when both would have been considered well over the top last season.
What's funny about that? £80m is a more than reasonable offer.
£80m is a fine offer but spreading it across 5 instalments (£16m per year for 5 years) is unreasonable, especially considering they have £200m freshly in their account.
"Foremost I am a striker, it doesn't bother me at all which position I play, when I am on the pitch I just focus on helping the team that's all.
Martial started as a centre forward before LVG moved him to the left due to LVG's emphasis on the captain and later on with him bringing through rashford. No reason why he can't get a game when we have started to play with 2 upfront. He showed he was more than capable whenever he did play upfront & he should be even better now he doesn't have to lead the line either.
The figures stated here have left me flabbergasted.
I've never ever used that word.
I've never ever used that word.
It would be nice if some of the natives had the first clue as to what is happening at Liverpool. Earlier in the window we had a £66m bid rejected for our primary midfield target. this was even before all the Neymar madness so it was a fairly substantial offer. That whole business proved to us early on that even with a lot of money it was going to be a difficult window to land our top targets. We already have the money to strengthen the positions we need. Losing Coutinho for 100m or whatever it is will just mean apart from our already apparent weaknesses, we will now add the burden of replacing our best player. In fact any money exchange that happens for Coutinho is Barca essentially compensating us for the problem they have. Having Too much money late in the window in an already inflated market where you are going to be targeting teams' best players.
And please stop fecking quoting wingers for us to buy to replace Coutinho, Mahrez, Draxler etc Coutinho was/is almost certainly playing in midfield this season linking up our midfield and attack.
And to the poster who said Julian Draxler is unattainable for Liverpool. I mean comeon have a word with yourself
And please stop fecking quoting wingers for us to buy to replace Coutinho, Mahrez, Draxler etc Coutinho was/is almost certainly playing in midfield this season linking up our midfield and attack.
And to the poster who said Julian Draxler is unattainable for Liverpool. I mean comeon have a word with yourself
A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay....and the second Barca move to legit, fecking anyone else in the same mould, no one will be willing to pay half of this for Coutinho.
Honestly, Barca, just move on. Why is Coutinho their only target? I don't get it. They haven't even tried it on with Dybala, Hazard, Alli/Eriksen, Griezmann.....why not just raid Arsenal? Ozil/Sanchez returning.....it's mad. Legit mad.
Honestly, Barca, just move on. Why is Coutinho their only target? I don't get it. They haven't even tried it on with Dybala, Hazard, Alli/Eriksen, Griezmann.....why not just raid Arsenal? Ozil/Sanchez returning.....it's mad. Legit mad.
I've said this earlier in this thread, but a year ago Coutinho certainly wouldn't have been worth a 100m£, but when we've had offers of 60m for VVD and apparently 70m for Keita rejected, then he probably is worth that much. The market is insane.
And while I agree that it's not great to keep a player that really want's to leave, our lack of ability to land other targets makes it important that we keep him. Ideally, we would've strengthened our defence and midfield earlier in the window and then sold him now for a reasonable prize. Unfortunately, it just seems like we only had two candidates for two spots, and when they weren't awailable we decided not to look elsewhere. Why I will never know.
And while I agree that it's not great to keep a player that really want's to leave, our lack of ability to land other targets makes it important that we keep him. Ideally, we would've strengthened our defence and midfield earlier in the window and then sold him now for a reasonable prize. Unfortunately, it just seems like we only had two candidates for two spots, and when they weren't awailable we decided not to look elsewhere. Why I will never know.
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