Philippe Coutinho

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PickledRed said:
Nobody thinks that - certainly not a typical opinion. However, reading RedCaf, one could be fooled into believing he's a fair weather one trick pony who goes missing for most games.

Interestingly, up until the moment Suarez was sold to Barca there was a healthy number on here suggesting he wasn't as good as Liverpool fans suggested - the usual pinch of salt rival stuff. Literally in 24 hours he was a lot better.

My point is that Coutinho's underrating on here by some is obviously a rival thing. And that's ok really. We're not supposed to rate each other.
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I rate him alot, which is why i'd love if Liverpool lost him.
No way can they find a good enough replacement in time.
Closest will be someone from PSG who will play less after Neymar signed... maybe Draxler or Moura.
Maybe someone like Hamsik. I don't follow other leagues than the PL, but these are probably the closest they can get, that might be obtainable.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I admit I was one of those people but, Suarez's 13-14 season shut people like me up not him joining Barca.
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And that season came after a transfer window in which he really wanted to leave the club, yet people keep on suggesting that keeping an 'unhappy' player would be a foolish thing to do.
 
JustFootballFan said:
But it´s not how Klopp operates. I actually think Klopp has faith in guys like Grujic or Solanke. Who were Gundogan, Gotze, Kagawa and so on before they played for Dortmund. I think Klopp is legitimately only worried about central defense. He knows they need upgrades in other areas like central midfield, but real upgrades not guys that are on the same level as Wijnaldum, Henderson or Can. Teams are not in a mood to sell top quality young talent this late in the window.
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Klopp is the wild card, but like I said what I know of these guys says they tell Klopp get who you need up to a certain amount. If you need more let us know why and how much.

Anyways good discussion, I've hit my post limit for the day. Hopefully we can continue again at a later date.
 
PickledRed said:
Nobody thinks that - certainly not a typical opinion. However, reading RedCaf, one could be fooled into believing he's a fair weather one trick pony who goes missing for most games.

Interestingly, up until the moment Suarez was sold to Barca there was a healthy number on here suggesting he wasn't as good as Liverpool fans suggested - the usual pinch of salt rival stuff. Literally in 24 hours he was a lot better.

My point is that Coutinho's underrating on here by some is obviously a rival thing. And that's ok really. We're not supposed to rate each other.
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Exactly 90 % of non-United fans think Pogba is utterly shite, despite the fact that has been shown to be patently untrue. So I wouldn't hold too much store by it. I think Coutinho is a quality player but I am not sure that as yet he has shown anything to prove he can be an elite player, and the figures being talked about make us all think that these players should be elite. I still think that this idea that Barca will come back next year is flawed, and Coutinho must think that too, Madrid wont need him so next year his only option might be PSG.
 
RobinLFC said:
And that season came after a transfer window in which he really wanted to leave the club, yet people keep on suggesting that keeping an 'unhappy' player would be a foolish thing to do.
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It works both ways. Some players react more positively, some don't. Ronaldo sulked for months in 08-09, only really performing to his 07-08 level in the last few months of the season.

For midtable team who yo-yo between the low teens and 9th/10th or a team with sufficient quality to cover for a uncooperative star player, it's not a big deal, but a sulking Coutinho can mean your title/top4 challenge is dead of mathematically improbable by Christmas.
 
shabadu84 said:
Obviously its all relative but as of right now it will be the 2nd highest transfer fee ever. Assuming it goes up a little, around £100m, I can't see how it gets turned down.
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Could be for any reasons like
- It is too late in the market and Pool do not have anyone lined up if Coutinho goes.
- Pool have someone lined up, but the negotiations are stalled
- Pool think in current market and with the amount of money Barca is making from Neymar deal, they can have a bigger slice of cake, if they play it right.
 
Moonred said:
Player + dad is bad omen for clubs trying to keep hold of their players this transfer window. :drool:
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Also note that Coutinho is the one behind the wheel, so it's not like daddy was giving him a lift. [/Muppet]
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Could be for any reasons like
- It is too late in the market and Pool do not have anyone lined up if Coutinho goes.
- Pool have someone lined up, but the negotiations are stalled
- Pool think in current market and with the amount of money Barca is making from Neymar deal, they can have a bigger slice of cake, if they play it right.
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Also.

- We don't want to sell
- There is no desperate need to cash in as the club do not need the money for other transfers (given we wanted to buy Keita & Van Dijk and the money was available to do so).
 
johnny boy said:
Also.

- We don't want to sell
- There is no desperate need to cash in as the club do not need the money for other transfers (given we wanted to buy Keita & Van Dijk and the money was available to do so).
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Bloody hell, Chemical Johnny - the least you could do for us is cry all over the shop & pretend that Small Phil is buggering off. How rude.
 
Rumours on scouse heavy TalkSport that he's out of the Watford game.
Carragher could be the source since he's a guest on Drive
 
They should ask for 75mil + Iniesta and then use some of the change to trigger Kovacic's release clause.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Maybe the Fat Fu Panda burned a hole in their pockets. :D

I think Liverpool are simply not interested in buying for the sake of buying. That´s what the top clubs do. They don´t throw the money out of the window, just cause they have it. I know it´s not a concept a lot of clubs in England are familiar with.

Karius 24
Matip 26
Clyne 26
TAA 18
Can 23
Wijnaldum 26
Henderson 27
Coutinho 25
Mane 25
Salah 25
Firmino 25
Grujic 21
Origi 22
Solanke 19
Robertson 23

Milner and Lallana are the only players close or above 30. Why would they buy more squad players? They need serious upgrades for the starting 11. Why waste money now, that you might need next summer to win the bidding war for Keita, who´ll get premium wages due to the lower release clause.

I think they will buy a central defender eventually, cause they have no depth or young talent to promote in that area. If Chelsea add VVD, I think Christensen has earned Conte´s distrust with some of his pre-season play. Will be available for half a VVD and probably turn out to be a better player.
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Feck me that is an awful first team :lol:
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Could be for any reasons like
- It is too late in the market and Pool do not have anyone lined up if Coutinho goes.
- Pool have someone lined up, but the negotiations are stalled
- Pool think in current market and with the amount of money Barca is making from Neymar deal, they can have a bigger slice of cake, if they play it right.
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All valid points. But at the end of the day, this ownership group has shown a willingness to sell their best players when high bids come in. They call the shots, not Klopp. IMO FSG have positioned Liverpool as the new Arsenal, able to compete on all fronts but not necessarily going deep into their own pocket to ensure the club challenge for everything. They don't strike me as the types who would stonewall Barca to make a point, risking a boatload of money in the process. If Coutinho agitates at all - you'd have to expect Barca will push him to at some point - then it's a done deal.
 
Marca crack me up. The arrogance:

"The Brazil international has expressed his desire to move to Spain and the Reds' board wouldn't decline an offer of around 100m euros, considering that his transfer to the English club four years ago cost only 10m euros."

Pretty sure they rejected it today and would reject 140m Euros too considering what they could bring in for that to replace him (not much).

Other pages on the site say at 100m Euros "he will be a pricey signing for Barca".

It's like they haven't quite got to grips with the fact that many clubs, especially in the EPL don't want or need money. They want and need their best players, and he is has a FIVE YEAR DEAL.
 
FacerTheRed said:
It's amazing we've come to this point in football where clubs are rejecting £90m for a player.
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But that doesn't seem like a lot at all when a good fullback costs £50m.

Why on earth would they sell a player they already have who is their best for less than two good fullbacks??
 
KingMinger22 said:
But that doesn't seem like a lot at all when a good fullback costs £50m.

Why on earth would they sell a player they already have who is their best for less than two good fullbacks??
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I'd actually exchange Coutinho for Walker and Mendy, I think. Maybe less exciting but good, attacking full-backs can (and would) add so much to our game, it's a position we've struggled in for years.

But yeah, we don't need the money and a replacement would cost almost as much as Coutinho so selling him at this point would be really, really stupid.
 
Kraftwerker said:
EXHIBIT A:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...nsfer-request-as-Chelsea-prepare-new-bid.html

"Liverpool are adamant that Torres is not for sale and manager Kenny Dalglish has already told the player and the club’s owners that he will not agree to any deal."


EXHIBIT B:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...e-as-england-star-hints-at-move-10150545.html

"Brendan Rodgers will insist this morning that Raheem Sterling is not for sale after Liverpool’s contract refusnik veered dramatically off-message in an interview - and accused the club of not offering him a new deal last summer."

"At Rodgers’ regular pre-match press conference at the club’s Melwood training ground today, the manager will repeat the club’s position that Sterling, who has two years on his contract after this season, is not for sale and that they will not be bullied into losing their best players."


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Who's got the fecked memory or is the liar then?
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These articles do nothing to prove your point. One is from well before the player was sold and the other includes no quotes from anybody at the club.

The dynamic of the Coutinho situation is clearly completely different to either of those transfers.
 
Messi called him..done deal. You can't really say no to Messi to play with Can and Henderson, can you?
 
KingMinger22 said:
Marca crack me up. The arrogance:

"The Brazil international has expressed his desire to move to Spain and the Reds' board wouldn't decline an offer of around 100m euros, considering that his transfer to the English club four years ago cost only 10m euros."

Pretty sure they rejected it today and would reject 140m Euros too considering what they could bring in for that to replace him (not much).

Other pages on the site say at 100m Euros "he will be a pricey signing for Barca".

It's like they haven't quite got to grips with the fact that many clubs, especially in the EPL don't want or need money. They want and need their best players, and he is has a FIVE YEAR DEAL.
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Good post.
 
Sky reporting Coutinho very keen to leave.

Be interesting to see what Klopp thinks. He's always said he wanted players who want to play for the club and wouldn't force players to stay..
 
Ideal scenario is that he goes to Barca and fails(which is expected scenario considering he is nowhere near as good as they think he is), and that Liverpool buy couple of average players to replace him.
 
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