Na if you do that, he will play and give his best and then leave next year. What it will do is, make other players wary of joining 'pool in the future. However, all this depends on what the relationship between Coutinho and the club is at the moment. He simply won't kick up a fuss and both the club and Coutinho know it's best to sort things out like grown ups.
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Na if you do that, he will play and give his best and then leave next year. What it will do is, make other players wary of joining 'pool in the future. However, all this depends on what the relationship between Coutinho and the club is at the moment. He simply won't kick up a fuss and both the club and Coutinho know it's best to sort things out like grown ups.
I've seen this bandied about recently. "Refusing a player a move when he's keen on leaving will make players wary of joining a club" I've seen it said about Van Dijk, Levy, Keita and now Coutinho. Personally I don't buy it.
A player will not refuse a move or even think twice about it to go from Celtic to Southampton, or Southampton to Liverpool or Mk Dons to Spurs based on the fact that these clubs have a history of refusing to sell players when bigger clubs come in for them.
What will always prevail when a player wants to make a move, is 1) The opportunity to make more money. 2) The chance to win trophies 3) A natural upward trajectory in the players development and career. There maybe other little factors, but imo certainly not how the club has treated players who wanted to leave in the past. I welcome anyone to find examples but I'm yet to see it in top flight football.
Because generally clubs rarely forcefully keep players, thus it would be difficult to find examples. Also it depends on the kind of players you go for, a player trying to make his career probably won't. But in anycase, I don't particularly disagree with what you are saying and I am probably wrong about my theory. Most often though, a player gets what he wants eventually.
Why are you convinced they aren't in need of money?
I don't think they have anywhere near what people think hence their total inactivity in the market this summer when there was allegedly 200m war chest to spend...
No English club is in need of money really, and their inactivity in the market is because they don't want to spend not that they don't have money.
Remember they were going to pay about 60m for VVD alone.
They were going to do alot of things though and haven't.
Until they actually pay a significant fee without someone going out (Coutinho) then I'll remain skeptical.
Anyone can tell their friends they are going to buy a Porsche but until it turns up on the driveway you'll aways be considered a bullshitter.
So, is it safe to say he'll stay ?
RB Leipzig confirmed a €75m bid, so it's not exactly like we're not willing to spend though. You can't do much more if they simply say no, just like Barca can't do much about it if we're simply rejecting every offer.
If it's good enough for you then fair enough.
Players have moved this window that Liverpool could have used but they haven't bid. There's a reason (wages/fees).
Untill a deal of significance happens I'm skeptical of the big financial backing of FSG
I wonder when FIFA will step in and say it's tantamount to modern day slavery by keeping Coutinho.
I think we're definitely willing to spend, all the signs are there that we do. But of course I'm not happy with our quite poor transfer window (so far), that much is obvious. How we didn't turn our attention to someone like Seri once it became clear Keita was unavailable is beyond me, I really hope Klopp realises he needs more and better players at several positions but doesn't seem like it.
Think Barca have one more bid in them. My worry if I were a 'pool fan would be that his head has been turned towards the exit regardless of whether Barca is the destination. We saw with Morata that once his head had been turned away from Madrid, departure was almost inevitable.
no one is worth that kind of money. He Is overated by you lot.
He wants to leave a no prospect club.
They may get more out of him and make him consistent.
Can't believe so much fuss is being made about him. He's a decent player but certainly not world class.
Neymar's departure has "hurt" both Barça and La Liga, they're not used to their world class players upping sticks. So Barça may go all out to bring someone in to the heal the wound.
He's not overrated. He's an excellent footballer and rated in accordance with that judgement. It's like Liverpool/City fans latching onto some shaky Pogba performances and calling him overpriced. It's just tribal blinkers. If he stays, he will be a star this season. He's coming into his strongest years.
According to Balague, Liverpool have informed Barca that renewed bids will be rejected. He suggests they're ready to concede and look at alternatives.
He's a good player but 100+ million is a joke.
Half the cost of the world record fee.
If Barca got him for half the old record(Pogba) he would be viewed as a good deal at around £44mil.
Interesting to see if the Neymar fee will have reset the market in the long term.
I dont buy that bolded bit at all.
I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I am a Red Sox fan who FSG also own. The Red Sox carry one of the highest payrolls in baseball and have for years.
That group has never thought twice about spending money if it's there. The fact that they haven't kind of tells me that their finances aren't as large as we've been lead to believe.
It would depend on the player in question and it's difficult to say as rarely players are held against their wishes. As explained in the subsequent post, I could be wrong anyway.
Don't think it's happening...
They should sell up and buy 3 good squad players. Think I've said it before but Klopp seems very good at buying decent players for good prices and it was squad depth that let them down last year.
Yeah I agree. If 200m is available go and spend it. Not sure it is.
If the MLB is anything like the other major American leagues, it can't be compared with football transfers in any way whatsoever.
Maybe the Fat Fu Panda burned a hole in their pockets.
I think Liverpool are simply not interested in buying for the sake of buying. That´s what the top clubs do. They don´t throw the money out of the window, just cause they have it. I know it´s not a concept a lot of clubs in England are familiar with.
Karius 24
Matip 26
Clyne 26
TAA 18
Can 23
Wijnaldum 26
Henderson 27
Coutinho 25
Mane 25
Salah 25
Firmino 25
Grujic 21
Origi 22
Solanke 19
Robertson 23
Milner and Lallana are the only players close or above 30. Why would they buy more squad players? They need serious upgrades for the starting 11. Why waste money now, that you might need next summer to win the bidding war for Keita, who´ll get premium wages due to the lower release clause.
I think they will buy a central defender eventually, cause they have no depth or young talent to promote in that area. If Chelsea add VVD, I think Christensen has earned Conte´s distrust with some of his pre-season play. Will be available for half a VVD and probably turn out to be a better player.
He fades in and out of games..disappears at times. On form he looks very good.
Key point is he sees no future at Liverpool and wants to join a club where the prospects of winning trophies is guranteed.
He may well get to be consistent. But playing with better players is always an attractive prospect.
If he stays or leaves is no bother to us.
Even if he stays it sounds like he's missing the Watford game and might not play until September the way Barca are unsettling him.
No Van Dijk or Keita for Watford either. Not the ideal summer for pool. Just Salah, two kids and a public apology.
No Van Dijk or Keita for Watford either. Not the ideal summer for pool. Just Salah, two kids and a public apology.
You're right football transfers and how American sports do player trades and free agency are totally different.
What's not different is ownerships willingness to spend money.
And what I know of this ownership group says that if the money is there they will spend it.
I would argue that a 7 year 217 million USD contract to David Price would be highly comparable to the out lay required for VVD.
If Solanke, the U20 World Cup winner and MVP was Brazilian and cost 60M pounds, fans would be wanking their socks off. Just saying.
Maybe the Fat Fu Panda burned a hole in their pockets.
I think Liverpool are simply not interested in buying for the sake of buying. That´s what the top clubs do. They don´t throw the money out of the window, just cause they have it. I know it´s not a concept a lot of clubs in England are familiar with.
Karius 24
Matip 26
Clyne 26
TAA 18
Can 23
Wijnaldum 26
Henderson 27
Coutinho 25
Mane 25
Salah 25
Firmino 25
Grujic 21
Origi 22
Solanke 19
Robertson 23
Milner and Lallana are the only players close or above 30. Why would they buy more squad players? They need serious upgrades for the starting 11. Why waste money now, that you might need next summer to win the bidding war for Keita, who´ll get premium wages due to the lower release clause.
I think they will buy a central defender eventually, cause they have no depth or young talent to promote in that area. If Chelsea add VVD, I think Christensen has earned Conte´s distrust with some of his pre-season play. Will be available for half a VVD and probably turn out to be a better player.
Panda proves my point though. I understand the arguement that you're making, but that runs counter to what I know of these guys.
If Solanke, the U20 World Cup winner and MVP was Brazilian and cost 60M pounds, fans would be wanking their socks off. Just saying.
Probably true.
Doesn't make him a Keita or VVD though. Which is what Liverpool wanted/needed. Players who instantly improve their starting XI.
But it´s not how Klopp operates. I actually think Klopp has faith in guys like Grujic or Solanke. Who were Gundogan, Gotze, Kagawa and so on before they played for Dortmund. I think Klopp is legitimately only worried about central defense. He knows they need upgrades in other areas like central midfield, but real upgrades not guys that are on the same level as Wijnaldum, Henderson or Can. Teams are not in a mood to sell top quality young talent this late in the window.
Nope. Doesn't really.
An unhappy Coutinho that wants to play for Barca, might be better than them selling him and getting alot of money.
Atleast if you consider how great all players they are interested in all of a sudden becomes.
Atleast if you consider how great all players they are interested in all of a sudden becomes.
Nobody thinks that - certainly not a typical opinion. However, reading RedCaf, one could be fooled into believing he's a fair weather one trick pony who goes missing for most games.
Interestingly, up until the moment Suarez was sold to Barca there was a healthy number on here suggesting he wasn't as good as Liverpool fans suggested - the usual pinch of salt rival stuff. Literally in 24 hours he was a lot better.
My point is that Coutinho's underrating on here by some is obviously a rival thing. And that's ok really. We're not supposed to rate each other.
Possibly but not sure he's unhappy. Wanting to join Barcelona isn't necessarily the same as being unhappy. He's still playing for a good team, at a good club that made his name, for a good manager. He's hardly up against it in life.
I admit I was one of those people but, Suarez's 13-14 season shut people like me up not him joining Barca.
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