Initially quoted thread mentioned €120m.
If Pogba is £89m, Coutinho is €120. He's a match winner. No way a like-for-like for Neymar, but would look a better player in Spain.
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If Pogba is £89m, Coutinho is €120. He's a match winner. No way a like-for-like for Neymar, but would look a better player in Spain.
Coutinho shouldn't even be compared with Pogba ffs.
Anyone who thinks he's a better player is deluded.
I don't think they'd want him back. He wasn't really that good for them bar his final season there.
And with the money they've received, they'd be better off prying a younger player. That front 3 isn't the youngest.
Coutinho shirts on fire in 3... 2...
On a serious note, LFC can still sign decent players with the influx of cash. Keita's not for sale this window but someone like Ziyech or Talisca would be available.
Good luck, L F C!
Good luck, L F C!
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Just the fact that you're suggesting Pogba is THAT far ahead so as to be beyond comparison negates anything you're saying.
Pogba, in his one season since purchase, has not shown enough to suggest he's currently a better player than Coutinho.
Time may prove otherwise.
Shame he's an LFC player. Would be great here.
Pogba is miles ahead of coutinho
Anyone who watches the two can easily see Pogba is the more talented player.
Pogba is the better player, but not the better goal scorer and that's what Barca is looking for from Coutinho on the forward line.
I agree with Pogba being more talented, but I don't see it as a night & day difference. On his day, Cou is verging on world class, but he REALLY needs to step up his consistency to earn that title.
Maybe at Barcelona he'll be able to do that. Will be gutted if he moves, but I bet he'll be great to watch for them.
Maybe at Barcelona he'll be able to do that. Will be gutted if he moves, but I bet he'll be great to watch for them.
Completely different players.
Pogba is the better player. He's performed better at a higher level.
It would be interesting to see what level Coutinho can reach if he does go to Barcelona, although I hope he stays obviously.
It would be interesting to see what level Coutinho can reach if he does go to Barcelona, although I hope he stays obviously.
Insane how he was sold from Inter for 13 million Euros. An Inter supporting friend of mine is convinced that there were bungs involved.
There was no suggestion of like-for-like as mentioned previously.
Effectivesss in their position.
Effectivesss in their position.
And yet Coutinho scored more goals and had more assists and played less.
Pogba didn't get near the PFA team of the year so the suggestion of ease of recognition of Pogba as the better player is just totally misguided.
Is Sigurdsson better than Coutinho then?
Is Mane better than Neymar? He scored more goals last season after all.
Your logic is absurd. Pogba was in the WORLD Team of the Year last year. If you're basing it on stats then Pogba's stats are better than the actual player of the season N'Golo Kante.
Mate, if you can get £100 million plus for Coutinho then you'll be laughing. You'll be able to buy two top class players with that money, and if it's invested correctly it will make the team a damn sight stronger than it is now.
This isn't another Suarez situation for Liverpool, you won't be losing a top class player, just a very good one.
To be fair, at the time Coutinho really wasnt all that great, was an insane dribbler who couldn't finish for shit, and basically nothing else to his game. Credit to him he developed his shooting ability incredibly
Hes pretty much peaked in England but if Barcelona use him correctly and give him freedom hes going to look A LOT better in Spain
So if we can buy two top class players for £50m~ each, why are Barcelona paying £100m for one not-top class player? Why not just buy these other players who are apparently better & half the price.
Cou isn't going to be easy to replace. Sure, if we invest the sale fee wisely maybe we'll end up with a stronger squad overall, but I'll miss Cou if he does move on.
Ok, so we'll discount the stats and work off a hidden metric to gauge effectiveness?
I'd expect a player who featured in the World Team to elevate the team he goes to considerably. Pogba just didn't do it.
For their respective positions there's little between them. The gulf in class comments on here are ridiculous.
If you're going by stats then Mane is better than Neymar.
Anyone who says Pogba hasn't elevated United is blind. We won two trophies with him in the side. He scored in one of the finals. Where was Coutinho in the Europa League final against Sevilla? Invisible.
You just keep believing the inconsistent Coutinho is in Pogba's class. I'm just going to assume you don't watch either of them on the regular. It's like saying Sigurdsson is better than Ozil. After all he's got better stats and everything else is irrelevant right? Including the obvious contrast in talent when comparing the two...
On top of all that, Coutinho plays further forward and has little defensive duties. So to compare his goals for Pogba's is quite frankly misleading.
has anyone concrete linked him yet ? All I've seen so far are second hand sources and stuff from random South American websites and the Spanish media. I think they'll get him next summer providing he has a storming season and most importantly stays fit for the duration of it. Not even sure how badly they really want him this summer .
Guys guys chill, Liverpool fans will have you convinced sinama pongolle and le tallec are better than Rinaldo if you let them. So pls la all just accept that pogba will never be anywhere near coutinho and just move him on to Barcelona. After the switch he will be an automatic overated player and the money will suddenly be great again.
Disagree, he was always a pretty talented lad, consistently rated in Brazil just a step below Neymar.
He moved to the wrong club - Inter - who don't have a great track developing young players - at the wrong time - just after Inter had won the treble, Mourinho had walked and the team changed 4-5 coaches in 3 years.
Don't get the hate Coutinho is getting here. Yes he's a Liverpool player but doesn't mean you have to go full hater/homer glasses and rate him as meh. Fact of the matter is he's a spectacular talent and thee most important+valuable player on Liverpool, and arguably the best LW in the EPL besides Hazard (yes I personally rate him and would prefer him over Sanchez).
He has that flair to his game which makes him magical with the ball at his feet. If Liverpool were to sell him don't see why they don't demand £100M+ from Barca; they wouldn't just be selling his current talents but also his potential/projection of what more he could become. Coutinho would undoubtedly take the next big step in his development if he were to join Barcelona and mark my words become consistently world class, being around much more skilled players compared to what he has to work with now and yet he's still able to show the flashes of brilliance he does.
He's the difference between Liverpool competing for top4 or hanging on to a top6 spot. Fortunately for Liverpool Coutinho isn't handicapping them to force a move and is pretty content at the club. Not to mention it's very late in the transfer window so doubt they'd be able to sign a capable replacement in time.
He has that flair to his game which makes him magical with the ball at his feet. If Liverpool were to sell him don't see why they don't demand £100M+ from Barca; they wouldn't just be selling his current talents but also his potential/projection of what more he could become. Coutinho would undoubtedly take the next big step in his development if he were to join Barcelona and mark my words become consistently world class, being around much more skilled players compared to what he has to work with now and yet he's still able to show the flashes of brilliance he does.
He's the difference between Liverpool competing for top4 or hanging on to a top6 spot. Fortunately for Liverpool Coutinho isn't handicapping them to force a move and is pretty content at the club. Not to mention it's very late in the transfer window so doubt they'd be able to sign a capable replacement in time.
Interesting, or should I say damn right clueless, that many on here call Coutinho inconsistent yet fail to realise that last season he only scored 3 less goals and got two more assists than the much vaunted Hazard, whilst being injured for two and a half months. Before said injury, he looked absolutely unreal and I would have had him as player of the season up to that point. I have no doubt he'd be very, very good for Barcelona.
With regards to the potential transfer, considering all factors (we are in no need of funds; no viable replacement; season starts in four days) there is no justification for selling Coutinho, and so barring something incredible happening then there is no way we are going to sell. If we did, the fan backlash would be incredible.
The noise from Barcelona is pretty annoying though. Constant attempts at unsettling from every media source. Make no mistake, they are as big a bunch of cnuts as their rivals in Madrid. I will take great joy in their post Messi decline.
With regards to the potential transfer, considering all factors (we are in no need of funds; no viable replacement; season starts in four days) there is no justification for selling Coutinho, and so barring something incredible happening then there is no way we are going to sell. If we did, the fan backlash would be incredible.
The noise from Barcelona is pretty annoying though. Constant attempts at unsettling from every media source. Make no mistake, they are as big a bunch of cnuts as their rivals in Madrid. I will take great joy in their post Messi decline.
At the very best, ye have him for one more season. I think, if anything, ye are considerably fortunate that Neymar's move dragged out as long as it did. Had that to have occurred 2 weeks earlier, ye'd already be talking about potential replacements.
While I gather the point about the season being a stones throw away and that at this stage, there is barely any time to source a replacement - you simply have to look at Barcelona and their scenario. Basically a mirror image with their season beginning and being forced into locating a replacement. Further to that, and despite your obvious love for the club - they're Barcelona! If they want a player from Liverpool, they're going to take a player from Liverpool, regardless of the potential backlash from the fans.
I get your anger about the media persuasion but with all due respect, I'm sure there are many individuals, sporting Le Tissier on their backs, that would have a word or two to say you also. Swings and roundabouts.
They're Barcelona, yes. Similar to how we're Liverpool and Leipzig are Leipzig. Or how you're Manchester United and Real Madrid are Real Madrid (De Gea).
Point being, there's no obligation to sell. There's absolutely no justification to sell. The player has a five year contract. If we do, FSG are a bunch of spineless weasels whom will have been proven to not have the best interests of the club in mind.
We were caught balls deep with the VVD affair but the constant tapping up and media bullshit under the guise of being a harmless club stems back years (Fabregas etc). Mes Que un Club my ass.
I hear ya brother. But probably the last of top class players to join them. Post messi ronaldo will spell a new end for their dominance.
They could simply convince klopp that he would get 80 % of the money to spend. No one wants bad relations with owners and with the money on offer you could get at least an equally talented player. This week will define this signing, barca have to make progress or they wont pursue it as they have lot of money to spend and too little time.
He simply isnt leaving and arsenal seem to have settled on the model of letting players leave for free rather than selling them just on the chance they might sign a new deal/get them into champions league or win a trophy.
Inter is a perennial circus, not the easiest club to recognize and grow talents. I can't think of a single prospect in the last 10 years to have been developed properly.
Still more CL's than you right juventino?
Icardi.
This post made me think of the Simpsons episode with the film festival.
John Henry: Who do you want to sign Jurgen?
Klopp: Get me Ronaldo
JH: Hmm, I'm not sure he's available at a price we can afford.
Klopp: No? Okay then get me his cheaper, Mexican equivalent.
Two weeks later
JH: Jurgen, I'd like you to meet Rinaldo...
Rinaldo: Hola!
How do you know he didn't get near?
In the premier league coutinho played more games, they play different positions so using goals and assists is a bit stupid.
Pogba completed more passes had better percentage of completed passes and won more tackles? Which is what we want from a cm in his FIRST season in the prem.
In terms of chances created and assists when you spread it out they both just about create 2 per game Pogba at 1.90 a game and coutinho 2.10.
But yer Pogba can go on to be a controlling midfielder should he reach his potential, coutinho for me needs this move so he can play with better players and up his game more, I feel he's hit his ceiling at Liverpool
Yeah we have to ignore one is a CM and other is attacking midfielder.
If this goes through, Coutinho will be the 2nd most expensive player in the history of the game.
He hasn't though. He's been OK to good, with some real stinkers thrown in for good measure (home against Liverpool as the most glaring example).
He's supremely talented and should be a key player for us because he really has it all but let's not act he's transformed our football. We finished sixth, after all.
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