If this window continues in the fashion it has, I won't begrudge Coutinho the move. Will bite my tongue till the window is closed before passing judgment, but I've seen this dance before and this time it's going to get really ugly for FSG and the club could end up in turmoil. Just have to hope against all hope they prove me and every other sane fan wrong between now and the end of deadline day, but then I've been repeating that for a couple months and it hasn't happened yet.
Philippe Coutinho
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When a player tells a manager he wants to leave, there's no coming back from that surely?
Who has asked to leave?
Also, I'm pretty sure there is a way back. What do you think De Gea said to United 2 summers ago?
Suarez kicked up a major fuss, and still stayed that summer with a sort-of gentlemans agreement that he could leave the following year.
I think next year will be the year he leaves. After he's guaranteed his WC spot with regular playing time with us, that is :P Fully expect 17/18 to be his best year in an LFC shirt... And then he goes to Barcelona, of course.
Hindsight is always 20:20
Liverpool didn't actually do that badly when Coutinho was injured for a few months last season did they?
They were far worse when Mane was injured.
They were far worse when Mane was injured.
Didn't Coutinho's injury overlap with Mane leaving for AfCon?
Quoted. If he does leave and he doesn't get a tattoo please name change to something befitting.
I wouldn't say that he was our best player last season, but I won't be expecting anything from this season if we sell Coutinho and don't sign anyone else.
He gives us something that no one else in the squad can.
He gives us something that no one else in the squad can.
Coutinho and Mane are comfortably your best players.
Lallana had a better season than Coutinho did last year, but yeah those two are our best.
I think he goes this summer.
We know baca want him and we do know he wants to join them, of that we can all be certain. It is probably also a fact that while im sure he has asked to leave behind closed doors he will not pubicly ask to go or hand in a transfer request. Or is very unlikely to do, as of yet.
So its back to barca to create enough of a shit storm as to carry this through on momentum. Which is what is going on now in the press.
But my question is this... Who replaces him? It would be wise to be making some sort of back up plan just in case.
What? Nah.
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That has nothing to do with hindsight. That's common sense. If you're about to redefine the transfer market with a sale, get a replacement in before you do so.
Well that's not completely true. It did overlap a little. Also, Coutinho did struggle to regain form immediately, so he was injured/coming back from injury while Mane was at AFCON.
Hardly redefining anything paying someones release clause now is it? Unless you think its the first time its been done? No! Didn't think so.
So then you must surely be refering to the size of the release clause being a world record fee.
See I would say we did the redefining last season with the addition of Pogba. A midfielder, not the star man in any team, while he is still a very good player make no doubt about that. So if we were willing to pay 90M for pogs and get Lukaku for 75M and willing to spend upwards of another 100M. Is it not reasonable to assume someone would spend their budget on a superstar? Say someone with unrestricted funds (comparitively speaking)
Like do you think if CR7 was available to us for 150M or 200M we'd of not made moves to see if we could pull it off. Even today. And who knows, maybe the board would consider paying more. We sure have no way of knowing past guessing.
But hey thats just my opinion.
Whats not my opinion is the expression, hindsight is 20:20. Meaning its easy be wise after the event. And also if you think Barca we not trying to sort out deals before Neymer left, albeit in the week or more it took. Well your a better man than me. Because i say they were! In fact I'd go so far to say I'm sure they were. Its easier write things on the computer that convince other clubs to sell their top players in a few short days!
Let him go, he is not a slave
Coutinho is so overrated
Liverpool fans are obsessed with over estimating their players capability
Mane is your best player by miles I would be selling this lad for 80m every day of the week
Liverpool fans are obsessed with over estimating their players capability
Mane is your best player by miles I would be selling this lad for 80m every day of the week
Liverpool losing him just before the season starts would be a massive blow, because as crazy as the thought of Coutinho being an 100m dollar player, in this market they really can't replace him adequately while keeping a profit on it. I doubt they can go back for Keita, as RB Leipzig has absolutely no interest in selling and are willing to lose him for his release clause in a year.
Any player that can get for less than 50m in this market is a much bigger gamble than keeping Coutinho and not cashing in at 100m.
Coutinho will stay this season and probably leave next summer. Every news source points out to the Esporte Interativo journalist who broke the news of Neymar's transfer, but what he said on twitter was that "We didn't say it was done. We said that the player would like to play in Barcelona, but Klopp doesn't want to sell him" - his very own words. Barca once again trying to unsettle a player through the media
Also it's too late in the window for Liverpool to even consider selling him, he's too important for their side - regardless of him being overrated, he's the one that keeps pulling them out of trouble with "magic" moments which guys like Mané, Firmino and Salah, although very good players, can't pull it off often enough.
Interesting to see people pointing out to Liverpool fans that Barca are doing to them what they did with Southampton and RB Leipzig. Fair to say van Dijk and Naby keita are staying this season, so it's not a good comparison, because by this custom, Coutinho too will stay even if Barca turn his head
Also it's too late in the window for Liverpool to even consider selling him, he's too important for their side - regardless of him being overrated, he's the one that keeps pulling them out of trouble with "magic" moments which guys like Mané, Firmino and Salah, although very good players, can't pull it off often enough.
Interesting to see people pointing out to Liverpool fans that Barca are doing to them what they did with Southampton and RB Leipzig. Fair to say van Dijk and Naby keita are staying this season, so it's not a good comparison, because by this custom, Coutinho too will stay even if Barca turn his head
Yeh. And next year, Barca could have a new manager that doesn't want him. It's too much of a gamble on his part to let it pass this season.
True. Then United makes him the best paid Gk in the world. So that also play some part.
You missed the point.
I work in business. I don't negotiate football transfers.
It's not hindsight that tells me Coutinho was probably available for £70m just a month ago. No other team is paying that money for him. None.
Paying £90m for Coutinho after losing Neymar for £198 is akin to selling Torres for £50m and buying Carroll for £30m. Two astonishingly great sales, completely or partially negated by ridiculous purchases/fees.
If Barca manage to get Coutinho and Dembele for the Neymar money I think they will be stronger than before.
Don't think thry could of. It wasn't a complex negotiation behind closed doors.
Psg basically went "lolz we're paying the release clause suckerrrzzz" and they were pretty much immediately fecked.
Normally i would agree with you but this was a weird one.
Absolutely weird. But business people do business. I'm sure they could have straightened out a 7 day embargo on the news.
In 7 days you could have got offers in for Coutinho, Hazard, Alli. An £89m Pogba should have been the metric for Coutinho. Not a £200m Neymar. Barca fecked up royally.
This. He scores a few worldies every season but a part from that he's only a good player. This whole world class label is laughable.
Darren Gibson could also strike the ball...
Personally, I would be thrilled with Seri & Dembélé - don't understand the fascination with Coutinho which has nothing to do with underrating him
He'd really have to force the move for them to sell, do a Payet / VVD - and I think he's too nice / too much of a wuss to do that
Wasn't really working for them from what I remember but should have atleast had a sell on clause on him. Would have made decent money right now.
I've said something similar and I agree with your post here. There's no doubting the quality of Neymar but they need to wrestle power back from Real Madrid and I think in this scenario they have greater strength in depth which is better than assuming MSN will be fit and raring to go in every game. Once his head wasn't in it anymore, it was always sensible to let him go and use astronomical fee to buy a couple replacements.
Am I the only one who thinks Coutinho is somewhat overrated? Far too inconsistent for me and whilst he is capable of winning a game from time to time I think his inconsistency and his inability to stay injury free for a season marks him as a good player but not a great one. Certainly not £120m worth of talent.
Ye but you are forgetting.... They were, up until 24 hours before he left, trying to block the sale. There was no time to get a sale done in the window they were left. Neymar is linked to a move away every summer ive already explained there was not the time.
as for the prices, taking it as a seperate entity, i think you are off slightly, but i get your point they will now have to over pay but that was unavoidable
So you are saying that Coutinho was available for £70m around the time we bid €75m for Keita. Where is the logic there?
(For that matter, where is the logic behind accepting a £90m bid when we clearly have more money than that to spend?)
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Mane is not better than Coutinho.
He was arguably more important to us last season as he was our only player with real pace who could get in behind defences. Whereas we still had Lallana and Firmino for the 'I play in front of defence and thread clever balls' role.
Big part of signing salah is having someone besides mane who can do what he does.
He was arguably more important to us last season as he was our only player with real pace who could get in behind defences. Whereas we still had Lallana and Firmino for the 'I play in front of defence and thread clever balls' role.
Big part of signing salah is having someone besides mane who can do what he does.
I think we'll find out next week whether Coutinho stays or not. If he is in the starting line up for our Champions League qualifier then he'll be cup tied and as much as Barca would like to have him, would they bother this year if he couldn't play Champions League?
I fully expect him to go next summer but I think we'll hold onto him this year
I fully expect him to go next summer but I think we'll hold onto him this year
Souness was on SSN about an hour ago saying that if Barca have told Coutinho they want him, he will go in this window as it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and that Liverpool can't compete with them.
I bet rawk was fuming!
I bet rawk was fuming!
Rawk hate home truths and that is bang on the money. Coutinho would be stupid to turn down the offer, especially now that Barca have lost Neymar.
Playing in qualifiers does not classify you as cup tied, so it may drag on for a little while still.
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