Philippe Coutinho

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Coutinho is a good player but not a top class one imho. If they spend over £80 million on him then the more fool them.
 
prtk0811 said:
This is the new market.
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I think that's silly. Even Lukaku looks like a bargain at £75m now not to mention Pogba at £89m. It's bound to come back to normal level soon.
 
Sarni said:
I think that's silly. Even Lukaku looks like a bargain at £75m now not to mention Pogba at £89m. It's bound to come back to normal level soon.
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Yeah, Barca should not panic frankly and go crazy. They have a pretty good team as it is even without Neymar.

Should look at adding few smart additions if there is value or bide their time. However pressure might become too much from socios on Bartomeu to protect his position.
 
Sarni said:
I think that's silly. Even Lukaku looks like a bargain at £75m now not to mention Pogba at £89m. It's bound to come back to normal level soon.
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Yeah, Barca should not panic frankly and go crazy. They have a pretty good team as it is even without Neymar.

Should look at adding few smart additions if there is value or bide their time. However pressure might become too much from socios on Bartomeu to protect his position.
 
Surely they could spend the £100m on some more Southampton players?
 
ArditVula said:
Hahaha kidding me for sure? Coutinho is in top 3-4 players in the PL, Nani never was.
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Granted, it's not gospel but WhoScored had Nani at the following from 2009-2012:

#17 overall in the PL for 2009 (4 goals, 6 assists)
#1 overall for 2010/2011 (9 goals, 14 assists) with 8 MotM performances
#10 overall for 2011/2012 (8 goals, 10 assists).

vs Coutinho in the last 3 years
#21 overall in 2014/2015 (5 goals, 5 assists)
#20 overall in 2015/2016 (8 goals, 5 assists)
#5 overall in 2016/2017 (13 goals, 7 assists) with 8 MotM performances

Not a perfect comparison given their different styles and roles, but 2010 was Nani's age 24 season like 2016 was Coutinho's age 24 season. Very comparable contributions. I think Nani was underappreciated those 3 years. He was one of the most productive players in the league.
 
He's a good player but my God, he's hideously overrated by the EPL crew... He has his moments of outstanding quality but he has never put it all together into a consistent season of excellence. His best season was his last one, where he scored 14 goals and made 7 assists in what was one of the most attacking teams in the league, if not in Europe. And even then, he went missing for a couple of months after his injury.

If I was anywhere near Liverpool's board and Barca offered 100m I'd take it and run.
 
rotherham_red said:
He's a good player but my God, he's hideously overrated by the EPL crew... He has his moments of outstanding quality but he has never put it all together into a consistent season of excellence. His best season was his last one, where he scored 14 goals and made 7 assists in what was one of the most attacking teams in the league, if not in Europe. And even then, he went missing for a couple of months after his injury.

If I was anywhere near Liverpool's board and Barca offered 100m I'd take it and run.
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The problem is who do Liverpool get to replace him at a decent cost?
What players even want to play at Anfield these days? They would have to pay through their teeth for an inferior player

If they sell Coutinho then they are making achieving top 4 very difficult. It just isnt worth it to them I think
 
rotherham_red said:
He's a good player but my God, he's hideously overrated by the EPL crew... He has his moments of outstanding quality but he has never put it all together into a consistent season of excellence. His best season was his last one, where he scored 14 goals and made 7 assists in what was one of the most attacking teams in the league, if not in Europe. And even then, he went missing for a couple of months after his injury.

If I was anywhere near Liverpool's board and Barca offered 100m I'd take it and run.
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So who do you buy to replace him? He's a very good footballer and most clubs appear impossible to do business with even with huge bids.

The consistency angle is over-played. He's one of the league's best players
 
FromTheBench said:
Yeah, Barca should not panic frankly and go crazy. They have a pretty good team as it is even without Neymar.

Should look at adding few smart additions if there is value or bide their time. However pressure might become too much from socios on Bartomeu to protect his position.
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I agree. They will likely challenge for the title and do well in Europe even without Neymar. The worst a club can do after receiving a hefty fee is to water it down immediately by spending it on overpriced players, case in point Liverpool who took £50m for Torres and spent £35m on Carroll immediately which means basically they got £15m plus Carroll for Torres (admittedly they did get Suarez closely after but would have got him anyway). Or Everton if they end up spending £50m out of £75m they got for Lukaku on Sigurdsson.

Just wait until someone good becomes available at a reasonable price. Take chances on players like Dybala and Dembele when they are leaving Palermo and Rennes now.
 
PickledRed said:
So who do you buy to replace him? He's a very good footballer and most clubs appear impossible to do business with even with huge bids.

The consistency angle is over-played. He's one of the league's best players
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Well you'd probably spend £65m out of that £100m on van Dijk so it's a bit pointless indeed.
 
Sarni said:
Well you'd probably spend £65m out of that £100m on van Dijk so it's a bit pointless indeed.
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I believe Liverpool are intent on parting with a large figure on VVD with or without Barca's millions. Selling Coutinho has no bearing on the purchase of a much needed CB.
 
PickledRed said:
I believe Liverpool are intent on parting with a large figure on VVD with or without Barca's millions. Selling Coutinho has no bearing on the purchase of a much needed CB.
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Quite right, we wanted Keita AND Van Dijk, neither connected with selling Coutinho.
 
johnny boy said:
Quite right, we wanted Keita AND Van Dijk, neither connected with selling Coutinho.
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Going for both with the prices quoted would indicate you have something like £120m to spend, now that none of them seem likely I am curious to who you'll spend on.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Going for both with the prices quoted would indicate you have something like £120m to spend, now that none of them seem likely I am curious to who you'll spend on.
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So am I, given no real concrete rumours of alternatives.
 
PoTMS said:
I think Coutinho is Liverpool's best player but if I'd rather Liverpool keep Coutinho or have an extra £100m to spend, I'd definitely go for the former. Coutinho is good but he's not that good. With that money, Liverpool could improve their team massively. (Alternatively, they could spend £85m on Gayle.)
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I understand your sentiment, but tbh I think it would be better for Liverpool to keep Coutinho. In this market it seems very difficult to buy players without having to resort to incredibly high fees, so 100m may sound a lot but they might not be able to buy a replacement player of Coutinho's caliber for that much, as crazy as it sounds.
 
If coutinho had any head whatsoever - he would wait until someone else is bought in to replace neymar & then move if Barcelona want him.
 
MThomas said:
Top 3-4 ? The feck he is.

Coutinho hasn't even outperformed Nanis best season at United (2010/2011).

Not that it much of a surprise, Liverpool supporters were keen to inform us how much better players Pongolle and Le Tallec were compared to "one trick pony" Ronaldo
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Nonesense, Babel was the one with more to his game than Ronaldo
 
PickledRed said:
So who do you buy to replace him? He's a very good footballer and most clubs appear impossible to do business with even with huge bids.

The consistency angle is over-played. He's one of the league's best players
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That's true. It's impossible to get a player as good as him from PL team with 85m. You can get cheaper from other league, but it's a big gamble. Not to mention, missing out Top 4 could cost a fortune itself.
 
In this market 100m gets you two sigurddsons. Not much really. Liverpool are far better off keeping Coutinho. He is really underrated on here for some reason.
 
Buying coutinho and dembele and letting the two rotate between iniesta and neymars spot would be the safest way that Barca can come out of this.

Coutinho as the sole replacement for neymar isnt going to come out good for him nor Barcelona.
 
balaks said:
Coutinho is a good player but not a top class one imho. If they spend over £80 million on him then the more fool them.
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This. He's good but not great and im glad we arent forking out that kind of money for him.
 
Cascarino said:
I understand your sentiment, but tbh I think it would be better for Liverpool to keep Coutinho. In this market it seems very difficult to buy players without having to resort to incredibly high fees, so 100m may sound a lot but they might not be able to buy a replacement player of Coutinho's caliber for that much, as crazy as it sounds.
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For that kind of money theyd be crazy to say no. He's eminently replaceable.
 
135m for Coutinho? I'm really starting to dislike this whole transfer market thing.
 
The only thing that matters now is how much Coutinho wants the move. Is he happy to stick around another year, likely win nothing of note and get his move next summer (at the same time risking missing the boat). Or does he want to go this summer and straight away be at a club competing for everything all the time.

Earlier this year I had doubts about his ambition when he came out with all that bollocks about it being better to be idolised and have your statue built at Liverpool rather than 'just another top player' at a consistently successful club like Barcelona. Players with that attitude will never realise their potential. Go join Newcastle or something if you want the adulation and statues without the trophies.
 
Kraftwerker said:
The only thing that matters now is how much Coutinho wants the move. Is he happy to stick around another year, likely win nothing of note and get his move next summer (at the same time risking missing the boat). Or does he want to go this summer and straight away be at a club competing for everything all the time.

Earlier this year I had doubts about his ambition when he came out with all that bollocks about it being better to be idolised and have your statue built at Liverpool rather than 'just another top player' at a consistently successful club like Barcelona. Players with that attitude will never realise their potential. Go join Newcastle or something if you want the adulation and statues without the trophies.
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He's a guaranteed starter at Liverpool though in a World Cup year. What happens if he goes to Barca and Iniesta raises his game one last time? He also just signed a contract in January so if Liverpool decide to put their foot down he's not going anywhere. He might not want to risk burning bridges in that case.

Then again, it looks like Barca intend to spend that Neymar money this summer itself, so the opportunity may just pass him by.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
For that kind of money theyd be crazy to say no. He's eminently replaceable.
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In a market where selling clubs can afford not to sell or simply name their astronomical price, I strongly disagree with your assessment.
 
Akshay said:
He's a guaranteed starter at Liverpool though in a World Cup year. What happens if he goes to Barca and Iniesta raises his game one last time? He also just signed a contract in January so if Liverpool decide to put their foot down he's not going anywhere. He might not want to risk burning bridges in that case.

Then again, it looks like Barca intend to spend that Neymar money this summer itself, so the opportunity may just pass him by.
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These would all be the concerns of a player lacking in ambition and not sure of his abilities.

And Iniesta simply can't play a whole season any more. The Selecao will always look much more favourably on Barcelona players than Liverpool. It took Coutinho ages to break into the Brazil team likely by virtue of being stuck at Liverpool, rather than talent.
 
rotherham_red said:
He's a good player but my God, he's hideously overrated by the EPL crew... He has his moments of outstanding quality but he has never put it all together into a consistent season of excellence. His best season was his last one, where he scored 14 goals and made 7 assists in what was one of the most attacking teams in the league, if not in Europe. And even then, he went missing for a couple of months after his injury.

If I was anywhere near Liverpool's board and Barca offered 100m I'd take it and run.
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The curious thing is that when Coutinho was injured for a long time, Liverpool's winning rate was decent but it was woeful when Mane was injured or away for the African Nations Cup.
 
James Pearce of the echo is usually reliable and he is saying LFC are adamant he is going nowhere.
I suppose what has happened with Keita may have hardened our resolve to do similar.

Guess if Barca return with an unbelievable offer will have to see what happens then, or I guess if the player asks to move.
 
Think the only way Coutinho leaves is if he forces the move. Can't see him doing that and burning his bridges there though.
 
Coutinho should take some tips from Neymar and Suarez, i am sure they can help him with getting his move
 
Tough one cause that Barca or Real opportunity for a forward doesn't come round very often. I say forward cause any other position for those teams is less relevant in its status. I think DDG worked out there's as much status to being the Utd goalkeeper (if not more) than a Real one.
 
He'll be gone next summer I'm 100% confident of that. That's only if the scousers manager to keep him this window, which they may well do.
 
Kraftwerker said:
These would all be the concerns of a player lacking in ambition and not sure of his abilities.

And Iniesta simply can't play a whole season any more. The Selecao will always look much more favourably on Barcelona players than Liverpool. It took Coutinho ages to break into the Brazil team likely by virtue of being stuck at Liverpool, rather than talent.
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Yeah it's true the Brazilian NT selection tends to operate on unusual criteria.
 
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