Have you never seen someone move on for free?Why all the rage? What were we supposed to do? Release him for free?
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English, good age, decent 3rd/4th CB. Sounds good to me.
I doubt if other clubs are lining up to buy him for big money. If we sell him, we would get mediocre money.
Potential signings always are, but i honestly don't see how we go into another season with Smalling or Jones as first choice. While Smalling is a good reliable defender neither are good enough if we want to be challenging for league titles. And of course Jones is regularly injured
Lindelof is starting to show real promise but he needs a quality defender alongside him.
I hope not.
I'm speechless. The club is very random with its decisions. "Rojo and Smalling got one, the one is my mate and the other one is worse than me, why can't I get a new one too?" Sympathy contract.
He has played out of his heart and probably through injury this season to secure his contract and what did that tell us? He still hasn't been good enough, or even available at all times, so how does giving him a new contract make any sense? Because he played 5 games under Ole he has turned a new leaf?
We keep making the same mistakes instead of learning from them.
He has played out of his heart and probably through injury this season to secure his contract and what did that tell us? He still hasn't been good enough, or even available at all times, so how does giving him a new contract make any sense? Because he played 5 games under Ole he has turned a new leaf?
We keep making the same mistakes instead of learning from them.
Tuanzebe and Fosu Mensah should get games next season. And my choice for a RW would be Zaha who would count as a homegrown.
I think someone is ready to work with anyone and agree to anything just to turn his temporary job into a permanent one. I hope that's not the case. If SAF bend the knee to each and every demand made by his boss we would end up with Hartson instead of Yorke.
So basically we should renew literally everyone's contract? Is that what you're saying?Why all the rage
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If you think the meltdown is bad on here you should check out the comments beneath the announcement on Twitter!
I’ve always maintained there’s a quality CB in there somewhere and he’s young(ish) so might as well go all in and back this decision by the club.
I agree with this.
1) I think too much is made of his errors, as I think he is mostly stable and allround quite goodish on most things. Certainly good enough to be a 3rd or 4th option if fit.
2) I’m not sure it makes sense to see him as injury prone at this point. He’s been ‘injury pruned’ yes (I made that expression up), but isn’t it a while since he was out for any major time for something that couldn’t happen to anybody? (Ok, the Jones/Smalling toe incident is a borderline case).
3) We’ll get more money if he leaves. He’s certainly good enough for Everton.
4) He seems serious and knows a thing or two about United as a club under Ferguson, probably a good influence in the changing room.
5) I can’t really imagine he stands in the way much of a CB buy or a Tuanzebe when/if he gets ready.
6) I quite like him as a character.
1 and 2 are obviously the most important points, but given they’re okayish, the rest helps.
Jones made a game changing error against Newcastle, only for Rondon to mess it up. Instead of pointing that out, caftards talked about his 'world class' tackle on Rondon that was made in complete panic and penalty bait (any decent forward would have got a penalty from that just like Hazard did last season).
Jones is the reverse Smalling. Smalling gets blamed for any goal we concede while Jones' mistakes constantly get ignored, usually because he's out injured and we haven't seen him play for a while.
Jones is the reverse Smalling. Smalling gets blamed for any goal we concede while Jones' mistakes constantly get ignored, usually because he's out injured and we haven't seen him play for a while.
Taunzebe has an outside chance, be surprised if Mensah is still at the club.
No one is going to pay anything for Jones. If he's not free from contract he's going to retire here and have his testimonial.
You don't give a 4+1 for a player who you think of selling anyway. With Young and Jones extending contracts I guess that's our RB and CB sorted, congrats!!
You know what. If SAF never said he could be the best player ever Jones would have been sold by Moyes, etc. If SAF didn't go overboard and instead just said he could be as good as Vidic, we wouldn't be giving him a new contract right now, because clearly he is not and never will be.
Not sure what your point was about the manager, though.
Lindelof and Bailly.
I dont think anybody is suggesting Smalling or Jones should be first choice at this stage. But we dont need to buy a defender for that to be the case, it already is.
Haven't read every post so far so this may have been mentioned before. Here are the goals conceded in the PL with Phil Jones on the pitch during the last five seasons, compared to when he is missing:
This season 10 in 9 games. Without Jones 25 in 16
Last season 11 in 23 (effectively 22 x 90). Without Jones 17 in 15 (effectively 16 full 90 mins)
Mourinho's first season 14 in 18. Without Jones 15 in 20 games
LVG's last season 4 in 6. Without Jones 31 in 32 games
LVG's first season 18 in 22 (effectively 21 x 90 mins). Without 18 in 16 (effective 17 games)
I'm no fan of his but our defensive record with him in the team looks fine to me. Clearly Jones struggles against elite opponents such as Harry Kane and Eden Hazard. His repeated passing the ball back to De Gea is what annoys me.
Lindelof this season 25 in 20 games. Without 10 in 5 games.
Last season 14 in 13 games (effectively 14 x 90 mins). Without 14 in 25 (effectively 24)
Bailly this season 12 in 7 (effectively 6 x 90 mins) Without 23 in 18 (effective 19)
Bailly last season 6 in 11. Without 22 in 27 games.
Bailly first season 15 in 24 (effectively 23 x 90 mins). Without 14 in 14 (effectively 15)
This season 10 in 9 games. Without Jones 25 in 16
Last season 11 in 23 (effectively 22 x 90). Without Jones 17 in 15 (effectively 16 full 90 mins)
Mourinho's first season 14 in 18. Without Jones 15 in 20 games
LVG's last season 4 in 6. Without Jones 31 in 32 games
LVG's first season 18 in 22 (effectively 21 x 90 mins). Without 18 in 16 (effective 17 games)
I'm no fan of his but our defensive record with him in the team looks fine to me. Clearly Jones struggles against elite opponents such as Harry Kane and Eden Hazard. His repeated passing the ball back to De Gea is what annoys me.
Lindelof this season 25 in 20 games. Without 10 in 5 games.
Last season 14 in 13 games (effectively 14 x 90 mins). Without 14 in 25 (effectively 24)
Bailly this season 12 in 7 (effectively 6 x 90 mins) Without 23 in 18 (effective 19)
Bailly last season 6 in 11. Without 22 in 27 games.
Bailly first season 15 in 24 (effectively 23 x 90 mins). Without 14 in 14 (effectively 15)
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Sack Ole, sell Pogba.
Minus all the time he’s spent out injured....I’d say about 9 years!
Why stop beeing Deadwood FC!
I rather give Tuanzebe the chance than watching Jones score a own goal/loose the ball with a bad pass under pressure/cause penalties.
4+1 years more when he clearly will not be a first eleven regular.. so fecking annoying..
I rather give Tuanzebe the chance than watching Jones score a own goal/loose the ball with a bad pass under pressure/cause penalties.
4+1 years more when he clearly will not be a first eleven regular.. so fecking annoying..
Phil Jones has missed 131 games due to injury...that is 3 full seasons! Phil Jones has been injured 19 times in 8 years
I don't understand what the problem is, he is not world class but a decent defender can bring the ball out and pick a pass. I for one am happy about this he is united through and through and can fill a spot when needed and always gives 100%. what are we meant to do sell all our defence and leave it to lindelof and "place name here" for all of this season and next.
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The problem I have with this us we've just renewed both smelling and Jones whilst having bailley and lindelof too.
There's constant talk of us signing a top centre half too in order to partner Victor as the top choice central pairing.
Then there's axel who should be pushing for a slot on the bench at times next year.
Unless my maths are wrong that is 6 possible centre halves at United which is way too many.
I can only see us signing both smelling and Jones up to new contracts so that we can sell them for decent money in a year or so otherwise this just doesn't make sense
There's constant talk of us signing a top centre half too in order to partner Victor as the top choice central pairing.
Then there's axel who should be pushing for a slot on the bench at times next year.
Unless my maths are wrong that is 6 possible centre halves at United which is way too many.
I can only see us signing both smelling and Jones up to new contracts so that we can sell them for decent money in a year or so otherwise this just doesn't make sense
He doesn't fill you with confidence when he's on the pitch, even with a decent run of games now, you just know he'll do something stupid (suicidal pass, straight pass to oppo player) to ruin everything good he might have done.
Unless he has a brain surgery, I sadly don't see him getting better.
Unless he has a brain surgery, I sadly don't see him getting better.
Crazy injury record in all honesty. It’s a pity but he sympathy aside, he should have been moved on a while ago.Phil Jones has missed 131 games due to injury...that is 3 full seasons! Phil Jones has been injured 19 times in 8 years
His contract would have expired this summer, so yes if we did not renew it he would have become a bosman player and could have gone for free to where ever, besides, when a player is at the end of his contract its a buyers market, where as a if a player has a brand new contract the selling club has the upper hand. Even if we do keep him its not the end of the world either. Hes not first Xi material, but is decent enough as a backup
United will play a team of hospital staff in his testimonial gamePhil Jones has missed 131 games due to injury...that is 3 full seasons! Phil Jones has been injured 19 times in 8 years
You forgot "Terms and Conditions apply"
Many on here still lie out of their teeth about him. Apparently he's not been bad when it comes to injuries recently? He's missed 18 games in the last 1.5 seasons (that's 20% of games). He got 2 injuries last season, already had an injury this season and is likely to get injured again this season.
I think the saving in medical fees would go a long way to buying a replacement for Phil Jones.
I don't think he warrants 4 years but I know we had to put out a decent deal for the sake of him not leaving on a free. Rojo will likely be going, Jones is #3 option for us ahead of Bailly, you don't sell your #3 before you sign someone new. So we have this situation. I don't think it will stop us buying a new central defender. Lindelof has been great, I rate Smalling, so someone to fight with them would be good.
Perfect documentation of why United are behind Bayern, Barca and other serious European firms. Must be a quite poor of a football club if Woodward counting on profits from sale of Phil Jones. He'll be lucky in getting 15m honestly.
Meanwhile Maguire is still not good enough for United and Tuanzebe still waiting for his chance.
Meanwhile Maguire is still not good enough for United and Tuanzebe still waiting for his chance.
What happened to getting a Director of Football so we could avoid making mistakes like these? 4 years? What a joke. He's just not good enough.
Maybe OGS deserves the benefit of the doubt when he decided (he probably had the final say) that Jones deserved a new contract ?
Yeah you can’t build a solid team if half your CB’s are either not very good or unreliable injury wise. Well hopefully he’s either signed as 4th choice on lower wages or his contract was extended to try and offload him.Many on here still lie out of their teeth about him. Apparently he's not been bad when it comes to injuries recently? He's missed 18 games in the last 1.5 seasons (that's 20% of games). He got 2 injuries last season, already had an injury this season and is likely to get injured again this season.
I think the saving in medical fees would go a long way to buying a replacement for Phil Jones.
I agreed with extending the likes of Smalling and Young, but Jones really should have been one of the ones to go (along with Rojo) to clear space for a new defender to be bought in.
I do think he's getting a bit of a hard time in here though. Strangely, after years of me saying he's over-rated and disagreeing with those who wanted him in as first choice, now I feel things have gone too far the other way and he's actually being treated more harshly than he deserves in here. He's been decent the last 18 months. Last season was probably his best ever season (other than maybe his first season with us), and he was our best defender in the first half of that season until injuries inevitably hit. Overall he was comfortably our second best defender last season, far ahead of Lindelof, Bailly and Rojo. This season under Mourinho he was third behind Smalling and Lindelof. And since Ole has taken over he's been better than Bailly in their battle to be Lindelof's partner (although hopefully Smalling is now back to take that role).
Don't get me wrong, he still hasn't been good enough. I still wanted him released to make way for somebody else. But he hasn't been as bad as many in here are making out.
I do think he's getting a bit of a hard time in here though. Strangely, after years of me saying he's over-rated and disagreeing with those who wanted him in as first choice, now I feel things have gone too far the other way and he's actually being treated more harshly than he deserves in here. He's been decent the last 18 months. Last season was probably his best ever season (other than maybe his first season with us), and he was our best defender in the first half of that season until injuries inevitably hit. Overall he was comfortably our second best defender last season, far ahead of Lindelof, Bailly and Rojo. This season under Mourinho he was third behind Smalling and Lindelof. And since Ole has taken over he's been better than Bailly in their battle to be Lindelof's partner (although hopefully Smalling is now back to take that role).
Don't get me wrong, he still hasn't been good enough. I still wanted him released to make way for somebody else. But he hasn't been as bad as many in here are making out.
Moyes, LvG, Mourinho... all gave benefit of a doubt to some players and we all can see how they ended up.
I totally get your point but I just don't want another United manager to be thrown under the bus by the same underperforming players, especially if it's a likeable bloke like Ole.
If Ole wanted that so be it but it's now up to Jones to show some effort in getting into a required level... which is going to be quite difficult tbh.
What the hell
Damn you!
That’s where i’d disagree mate currently based on the last two years. I rate Baily lower than Phil and Mike to be honest. He’s still fairly young but he’s regressed since his first season badly.
Smallings our best defender so if we sign no one he’ll very likely still be first choice.
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