PFA player of the year 2013

Goooose said:
Awards like this are stupid.
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The only thing stupid about it is it being voted for during the season, votes should take place at the end and they should have the award ceremony at beginning of the following season.

Also don't like how someone can be nominated for young player and player of the year, surely if you win player of the year you are best young player too. The nominees are pointless anyway as all votes have been counted, they just show the top 6 then announce winner in a few weeks
 
Team of the year will be:

Hart (he has the most clean sheets and thats usually the main criteria...although he's made plenty of errors).

Rafael
Chico Flores
Vertonghen
Baines

Carrick
Fellaini
Mata

Suarez (Wins fans POTY because Liverpool fans gather like it's a major election when it comes to a fans vote)
RVP
Bale (Takes both PFA and Young POTY awards)
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Why is everyone laughing at the notion Hazard has been nominated? Hes nowhere near going to win, but hes not exactly been poor or average has he? Christ you;d think it were Andy Carroll or something! You aren't exactly laughing at the fact Carrick has been nominated and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone besides the most ardent Red supporters who would say he has played better than Hazard this season.

Sour grapes methinks, I don't think some will ever get over the fact he joined us instead, so will always exaggerate any poor play and mute any good play so he will never be that good in their eyes!
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The bold has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with fan bias, but rather, how well you can actually rate the player.

Carrick is one of the most underrated players in the league for one simple fact: he is not flashy enough to stand out in highlight shows. It is pretty much the same with defenders in such polls.

However, if you actually watch the games in full length and have a little bit of knowledge about this sport, you will quickly see just how much Carrick contributed to the current table spot of United. His role as a balancer between defense and offense and organizer of the game flow is extremely important.

In general, the central midfield has become more and more important in football in the last decade. Most of the current top teams have two or even more strong players in that area. United biggest problem in this season is, that they have only one CM, who is really in top form. To make it worse, the wide spread setup of United makes the job of a CM even harder than in more concentrated systems like the ones of the current CL semi finalists.

Without Carrick, the chances of United finishing up the season without a single trophy would be fairly big. He was that influential and displayed the thing, which should be the most important one in such awards: consistency.

Exactly this point is the one, where Hazard falls short. His form fell way too much after his furious start of the season to place him on the short list. He picked it up enough in the winter to attest him an overall good season, but nowhere good enough to place him in the top 10, let alone top 6. Players like Michu, Cazorla, Fellaini or Vertonghen would have deserved it way more.

This is my opinion as one of the most neutral posters on here.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Why is everyone laughing at the notion Hazard has been nominated? Hes nowhere near going to win, but hes not exactly been poor or average has he? Christ you;d think it were Andy Carroll or something! You aren't exactly laughing at the fact Carrick has been nominated and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone besides the most ardent Red supporters who would say he has played better than Hazard this season.

Sour grapes methinks, I don't think some will ever get over the fact he joined us instead, so will always exaggerate any poor play and mute any good play so he will never be that good in their eyes!
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Bollocks

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=281909&sid=6cdd9fa9ce544bb943c8709b2239f368

Fist page of blue fecking moon, a city fan declares he'd pick Carrick in nominations and there's more where that came from.
Nobody anywhere thinks Hazard should be in there and rightly so.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
You aren't exactly laughing at the fact Carrick has been nominated and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone besides the most ardent Red supporters who would say he has played better than Hazard this season.!
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:lol:

How are you able to come up with this shit Rob?
 
Just had a read through that Bluemoon page. I love how they're so hurt by Zabaleta's exclusion...The icing on the cake would be a place for Rafael at RB in the team of the year (which won't happen seeing as the media decided in 2009 that he was hotheaded and a winger playing out of position).
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Welbeck has been better than hazard?
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Probably not, I'd say. But who can tell? It's not an exact science by any means – and casting your vote is no more a matter of objectivity than voting for a beauty queen or an MP: It depends on all sorts of biases and agendas.

Both are good players – truly crap players are rarely included in these lists. Welbeck is probably on the list because a) he plays for a big club (if a similar player with a similar record had played for, say, Southampton he wouldn't have made the list), b) he's English (if a similar player who happened to be, say, Polish had done a similar job for us he wouldn't have made the list) and c) he has impressed on big occasions – he was very good against Real Madrid, the most important match of the season, even the dullest of wits managed to register this.

Others would emphasize different aspects. To some his inclusion is ridiculous given he's a forward (or is supposed to be) who has hardly scored all season. It all depends on your perspective.

Hazard, for me, has done well enough in his first season. And he is a big name – widely recognized as one of the biggest talents in Europe and so forth. Well, he's surrounded by some hype and he has done alright – that's enough to make the list. Nothing mysterious about his inclusion.
 
SER19 said:
how about being the talisman in the team in course to win the league. being the most influential signing united have made in years, and being the defining factor in regaining the title from city.

anyway, regardless of the award im sure RVP would most covet a title, he probably cant remember what it feels like to win a trophy.
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You aren't serious are you? I'm pretty sure being the most influential signing Manchester United have made in "years" isn't a criteria for Player of the Year.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Probably not, I'd say. But who can tell? It's not an exact science by any means – and casting your vote is no more a matter of objectivity than voting for a beauty queen or an MP: It depends on all sorts of biases and agendas.

Both are good players – truly crap players are rarely included in these lists. Welbeck is probably on the list because a) he plays for a big club (if a similar player with a similar record had played for, say, Southampton he wouldn't have made the list), b) he's English (if a similar player who happened to be, say, Polish had done a similar job for us he wouldn't have made the list) and c) he has impressed on big occasions – he was very good against Real Madrid, the most important match of the season, even the dullest of wits managed to register this.

Others would emphasize different aspects. To some his inclusion is ridiculous given he's a forward (or is supposed to be) who has hardly scored all season. It all depends on your perspective.

Hazard, for me, has done well enough in his first season. And he is a big name – widely recognized as one of the biggest talents in Europe and so forth. Well, he's surrounded by some hype and he has done alright – that's enough to make the list. Nothing mysterious about his inclusion.
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What are you on about? Of course one can tell. Otherwise we might as well stop comparing footballers completely. Why other? Who knows? Messi or giroud? It's all so subjective!
 
amolbhatia100 said:
What are you on about? Of course one can tell. Otherwise we might as well stop comparing footballers completely. Why other? Who knows? Messi or giroud? It's all so subjective!
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Oh, c'mon, man. It's not hard to determine who is better when you compare Messi and Giroud. It's much harder to determine objectively who among Welbeck and Hazard has had the better season. It depends on what you deem important. This is where the subjectivity comes into play. I never suggested comparing players in general is ONLY about subjectivity - it obviously isn't.
 
Attackers always get the recognition but somebody like Danny Rose is extremely unlucky not to be nominated for the Young Player of the Year award. He's been terrific at left-back for Sunderland all season. I can see Spurs taking him back and allowing Assou-Ekotto to leave next season.
 
Bit ridiculous that Gordon Taylor is trying to 'justify' Suarez' nomination. What needs justifying? Tit.
 
It makes a mockery of it when no defenders are nominated.

Welbeck's inclusion is the worst I've seen in the recent history of the award. Mertesacker has scored more league goals than him.
 
To be honest Hazard had a good patch at the beginning when he was 'winning' penalties but then he went missing for a long time. He's now back in form since about the time he played against us but I could see why theres a reluctance to include him.
 
alastair said:
Welbeck's inclusion is the worst I've seen in the recent history of the award. Mertesacker has scored more league goals than him.
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I've seen there's a table of how many goals per minute strikers in the PL have scored this season and it really reflects bad on Welbeck, but it's wrong because he hasn't played much as a striker at all. He shouldn't be on that list.

Still shouldn't have been on the top six list, granted, but I guess that's what the footballers have voted for.
 
Btw, the shortlist...is it a list drawn up by the PFA that the players then vote from...or are the players free to vote for anyone, then the top 6 from both categories announced as the final 'shortlist'?
 
Eboue said:
You aren't serious are you? I'm pretty sure being the most influential signing Manchester United have made in "years" isn't a criteria for Player of the Year.
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eh no, obviously it not but dare to think outside the box for a second. how influential a player is over the course of the season is arguably THE deciding factor, and if RVP has been that factor in the most succesful club over the years then hes obviously made a big impact this season. Hes clearly been hugely motivated by playing with a set of players and manager with a winning mentality. Deserves his title, anything else is just a bonus.
 
Rafael and De Gea not being in young player of the year category is embarrassing for those clowns who have make it. Welbeck being there is as much worse.

Hazard shouldn't be near the list for the best player category. Bale should probably win it.
 
When was the voting done? If they did it in february RvP will win it.

I remember in 2009 when Fergie said Giggs should win player of the year and it was around february when he had great form, he won it.
 
I think the vote was done about a month ago which means it's a shoot out between Suarez and Bale.
 
Traub said:
I think the vote was done about a month ago which means it's a shoot out between Suarez and Bale.
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That's another thing about these awards - why can't they bloody well wait until the season's over (or at least practically over) before getting the votes in? The logistics of getting a few hundred players to write down a name or two can't be that overwhelming - I assume this is done digitally these days? This season apart, you'd think it was half relevant how certain players perform in the crucial last stages of a season.
 
alastair said:
Danny Rose and Luke Shaw would have been certs if people in power actually watched anyone outside the top 4.
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So in your opinion - they have been better than Hazard, DDG, Rafael, Oscar, Lukaku, Bale etc
 
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