Give it to Robin.
Gareth to win the Young Player of the Year.
Gareth to win the Young Player of the Year.
PFA player of the year 2013
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Michu and Cazorla should be there. Carrick should of been there last season but not this season.
Really don't see how people can say Carrick was better last season, I think he's been a clear step above this year. Ferguson's been saying this has been his best season for the club as well, for what it's worth.
I'd forgotten about Cazorla, he deserves to be on the list more than Hazard as well.
I completely agree with the first statement. Carrick really has stepped up his game this season from an already high level last season. We all want to see more from him, but he's been almost flawless this season.
As for Cazorla, I know he's Arsenal's top scorer but there's something about him that leaves me less than in awe of him whereas I see a sensational player in Hazard. Maybe it's that Cazorla is already the finished article and Hazard is not. Whatever it is, I can see the case for either Cazorla or Hazard. Both have been excellent this season, though both have been in and out of top form.
Bale should take it over RVP that scored goals at the Etihad, White Hart Lane, Stamford Bridge, Anfield and even managed to do it at the Britannia? He even scored against his former club in spite of half of the country predicting his acquisition was a mistake and that he would flop?
Perhaps, if RVP was born in a village in Derbyshire, the odds would have favoured him highly.
I'd like to see Carrick win it, though I'll certainly happy if it's Persie.
If voting is done in January it'll be RVP, though personally I'd say Bale deserves it.
In terms of the shortlist, Hazard shouldn't be anywhere near it. Michu, Baines, Cazorla and Fellaini are ahead IMO.
In terms of the shortlist, Hazard shouldn't be anywhere near it. Michu, Baines, Cazorla and Fellaini are ahead IMO.
See this is really what I meant, I dont think hes in the top 6 either, but I took exception to the way he was treated like an Andy Carroll, Welbeck or Sturridge, he hasnt been significantly inferior than some of those mentioned.
I wonder how much the media and general perception takes a part in this, if at all? Who votes for these lists?
DDG is much maligned in the media and by pundits yet would make my shortlist, whilst many of you take exception to the fact Hazard is on there, but thats exactly it, to most non Uniteds, when they saw him at old trafford in the FA cup and against west ham, plus the way he took to the league getting several assists and a goal in his first handful of games they were sold, there was no coming back even if Hazard had some less influential games he was always going to be there ahead of Baines, Cazorla, Michu etc.
DDG is much maligned in the media and by pundits yet would make my shortlist, whilst many of you take exception to the fact Hazard is on there, but thats exactly it, to most non Uniteds, when they saw him at old trafford in the FA cup and against west ham, plus the way he took to the league getting several assists and a goal in his first handful of games they were sold, there was no coming back even if Hazard had some less influential games he was always going to be there ahead of Baines, Cazorla, Michu etc.
Hazard isn't really a bad choice, he's certainly been good, but yeah there are other players who deserve it more. Comparatively he's certainly a better choice for this than Welbeck was for the Young PFA.
Give me a break. What the preseason expectations were is irrelevant for player of the year. Bale scored against Man Utd, Arsenal twice, Liverpool, Inter and Lyon and he's not even a striker. Suarez scored against lots of people too. So did Mata. Naming several teams that a player has scored against is not a good argument.
You've really got your knickers in a twist because there's not a Hazard love-in on here. You talk about Hazard's early assists but plenty of them were from going down easily and winning penalties.
You admit yourself he isn't top six then amazingly have a hissy fit that we don't think he should be on that list
logic says if he isn't top six he shouldn't be on the list.Baines has created more chances than any player in Europe and he's a defender. Michu has had a brilliant season for Swansea. Stop being such a drama queen Rob, nobody is comparing Hazard to Carroll, nobody is saying he's been poor, but several players have been better than he has this season.
You've really got your knickers in a twist because there's not a Hazard love-in on here. You talk about Hazard's early assists but plenty of them were from going down easily and winning penalties.
You admit yourself he isn't top six then amazingly have a hissy fit that we don't think he should be on that list
Baines has created more chances than any player in Europe and he's a defender. Michu has had a brilliant season for Swansea. Stop being such a drama queen Rob, nobody is comparing Hazard to Carroll, nobody is saying he's been poor, but several players have been better than he has this season.
No its not like that, surely you can see the difference between saying 'it was unexpected him being there' and it being 'a joke' I would be first to admit he isnt up there with the very top this season, but when you say its laughable and a joke you are implying hes not been very good. Plus someone calling him 'just another inconsistent winger', them sort of comments reek of bitterness.
Surely you can see where I'm coming from?
Mata, Suarez, Bale, Van Persie, Carrick all seem like good choices. Then it's one from Hazard, Michu, Cazorla, Baines probably. So a pretty good shortlist. I would probably have gone for Michu as the 6th but it isn't bad. The young player award is always weirder.
Hazard should win ypoty if bale doesn't.
No not really. I think you're getting unnecessarily offended over a couple of flippant comments. Generally you agree with the consensus that Hazard isn't top six so shouldn't be on the list. The rest is semantics since nobody has said he's been poor yet you throw in Andy Carroll comparisons that you've made yourself. The fact that you're accusing people of being bitter is simply pathetic. You also admit that he has had some less influential games so his form is inconsistent compared to Mata and Carrick for example who have played at a high level all season. How people dress up what they're saying is quite irrelevant when they're actually making the same point that you are. There have been better players than Hazard this season who deserve to be on that list ahead of him. That's the bottom line.
how about being the talisman in the team in course to win the league. being the most influential signing united have made in years, and being the defining factor in regaining the title from city.
anyway, regardless of the award im sure RVP would most covet a title, he probably cant remember what it feels like to win a trophy.
The most ironic thing I find about RVP is that he has more FA cup winners medals than Rio, Rooney,Vidic, Evra, and most of the United squad combined. It would be a travesty to players such as Vidic, Rio, and it was to VDS to some extent that they ended or may end their careers without one.
It really wouldn't, and it really isn't. It's nice to have, sure, but do you think VDS would ever have described himself as an FA Cup winner with those league titles and CL medals to his name?
I'm too young to remember the days, but I get told it used to be like what the CL is now. Cup final day was the day of the year. Now it lies much nearer the League Cup in terms of importance than it does to the big two.
Then again, I wouldn't expect a Chelsea fan to undermine its importance. Similarly it's probably not that surprising to hear a United fan undermining it.
VDS himself once said in an interview he really wanted to win an FA cup before he retired, and I would say almost certainly players like Rooney, Rio etc would really want to have had one. Didny Rooney once describe watching his Everton ironically beat United in 1995 as one of his best footballing moments?
The FA cup is still a completely different class to the league cup, even though it is 3rd ranked as a trophy and I find it a bit disrespectful to United and football in general to hear a United fan claim the FA cup isn't important, but like you say, maybe you are too young!
Of course he really wanted to win one. Just like I really want United to win it and I was gutted when you beat us. I haven't enjoyed the cup for years (2004 I probably last enjoyed it. Maybe 2007), but once we win it, I'll be back to that same feeling of relative indifference towards it. When United went to Brazil and pulled out, the cup died. It's a case of us having not won it for so long that gets me, not that we're not winning one of the most prestigious cup competitions, regardless of what ESPN say.
Ok, fair play for being honest about not winning it making you lose interest! To be honest I cant even remember if RVP played in the 0-0 final.
And people wonder why others say United fans are arrogant.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, I think he scored a penalty against us.
Also, I don't think it's just me who's losing interest in it. People genuinely aren't as interested in it like they once were, that's a fact. Anyway, not what the thread's for, so I'll leave that there.
You again. Right boring bastard you are. Yes, people call United fans arrogant. Most of us play off it. I certainly do. When we get called arrogant, I correct them and say we're just better. You seem to be all upset about it. Bless.
So you react to being called arrogant by being arrogant?
Religiously.
How did they pick Hazard over Michu?
And Welbeck over Rafael and De Gea is just
Hazard
As mentioned delighted to see Carrick there. Obviously he won't win it but he's at last getting some praise. I also thought he was better last year but this year he's pretty much our only good midfielder whereas last year Paul Scholes came back and did really well.
It's nothing against Hazard in particular, it's just that the likes of Cazorla, Vertonghen, Benteke, Baines, Michu and others all have had seasons worthy of recognition. Hazard hasn't. He's had a better season than Silva's first but not quite as good as Mata's first. Hazard is just the second Chelsea player to be nominated for the award in the last five years, do you really think he deserves that? He's in there because he's one of the new Premier League superstars.
Chabon called Hazard and inconsistent winger just to wind you up after you'd come out with some silly opinions about Carrick. There's a poll going on in the newbies at the moment with Carrick getting over 2/3 of the votes for our player of the year. All fans can agree that Hazard was significantly inferior to Mata, Bale, van Persie and Suárez this season. And most United fans will tell you that Carrick was even better than van Persie. He just has no place there.
When United went to Brazil the cup died. 
They really need to have semi and finals on their own day. Let the league games be on Sunday and the cup on Saturday or vice versa.
They really need to have semi and finals on their own day. Let the league games be on Sunday and the cup on Saturday or vice versa.
Id put lots of my money on that one if you fancy it. Probably not Id imagine...
There is no non-biased football forum is the problem. Most people hate United and therefore don't like Carrick. Hazard is that expensive foreigner who plays for Chelsea so he must be great.
Carrick has been the best midfielder this season, he clearly deserves the nomination.
I think Hazard has had a good season but not a season that was better than some of the players left off the list.
I'm actually more outraged at Bale being nominated for young player than anything else though. It's what? His fifth season in the prem, oh yeah he's so inexperienced and such an up and coming player. Absolute joke. I don't care he's 24, young player should be based on age and experience.
Young player should be based on whether or not a player is young.
Is this guy for real?
We don't really give a feck about Hazard. I certainly don't. And I couldn't care less that he didn't come here. He's a very good player, who is going to be an excellent one, and if he stays in the league for any length of time I've no doubt he'll deservedly be nominated for player of the year. But, him being nominated this year is a bit of a joke. He had a decent start, got a handful of goals and assists, and has done little since the first month or two of the season. Maybe little is harsh. He's been good, but not stand out good. He shouldn't be on the list, he hasn't been one of the 6 best players this season.
Carrick on the other hand has been arguably the most important and influential player in a team that looks like winning the title. He's had a superb season and deserves a nomination for POTY.
Wind your neck in and stop trying to invent some scenario where we're all bitter about Hazard. Plenty of us couldn't give a single feck where he went.
Hazard has done well for Chelsea, he hasn't really set the world alight like he did with Lille but he was a key player for them during their only genuinely good period at the start of this season and has scored some important goals. I'm not sure he's been better than Mata and obviously they wanted to have a Chelsea player in there seeing as they're 3rd in the league and will likely finish there.
It doesn't really matter because he's not going to win it and no one who could come instead in his place on that list would have had any chance anyway. It's between van Persie, Bale and Suarez this year and Bale is probably the most likely choice seeing as he's already won it two years back in spite of hardly contributing that much to a Spurs side that came 5th or 6th. He'll also have to win YPOTY if he wins the senior one but it doesn't exactly work like that from what I gather so that award will probably go to someone random. Bale won POTY but Wilshere won YPOTY which kind of makes it pointless. Still better than a 24-year old James Milner winning Young Player of the Year in 2010.
I don't think people will vote for Suarez though. He probably deserves recognition for carrying an awful Liverpool side to amazing 7th place finish but seeing as basically everyone hates him and he's dived, cheated or behaved violently against pretty much every single player in the league, I don't think he'll get many votes.
It doesn't really matter because he's not going to win it and no one who could come instead in his place on that list would have had any chance anyway. It's between van Persie, Bale and Suarez this year and Bale is probably the most likely choice seeing as he's already won it two years back in spite of hardly contributing that much to a Spurs side that came 5th or 6th. He'll also have to win YPOTY if he wins the senior one but it doesn't exactly work like that from what I gather so that award will probably go to someone random. Bale won POTY but Wilshere won YPOTY which kind of makes it pointless. Still better than a 24-year old James Milner winning Young Player of the Year in 2010.
I don't think people will vote for Suarez though. He probably deserves recognition for carrying an awful Liverpool side to amazing 7th place finish but seeing as basically everyone hates him and he's dived, cheated or behaved violently against pretty much every single player in the league, I don't think he'll get many votes.
RVP to win player of year, Bale to win YPOTY
People keep saying this but someone posted stats a while ago and the majority of his goals haven't been match winning goals, they've come when the team was winning already so it's a bit of a myth that he's single handedly carried them. RvP and Bale on the other hand have earned their team a bunch of points.
http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/ztpna...ayer-Focus-Scorers-of-the-Most-Valuable-Goals
The table above was from February 26th and this was from the article it went with:
Gripes me a bit when people assume he's dragged Liverpool up to 7th, it's simply not true.
*(I also hope people see Rooneys contribution for us in his supposedly poor season)
Awards like this are stupid.
The team of the year will be interesting, especially with who gets put in goal?
What does everyone reckon, does DDG have a chance of getting in there?
I hate to say it, but it will probably end up being joe hart, which is absurd.
What does everyone reckon, does DDG have a chance of getting in there?
I hate to say it, but it will probably end up being joe hart, which is absurd.
it will be hart. he'll become the new gerrard or terry and dominate that team for years without actually deserving it half the time.
id go with the following absolutely desrving to be there,with the rest up for grabs:
de gea, rafael, baines, carrick, mata, bale, rvp, michu
My punt would be:
De Gea
Zabaleta
Jagielka
Vertonghen
Baines
Mata
Carrick
Fellaini
Bale
RVP
Suarez
De Gea
Zabaleta
Jagielka
Vertonghen
Baines
Mata
Carrick
Fellaini
Bale
RVP
Suarez