Interestingly, almost all nominees have declined of late. I would probably pick Suarez or Bale. Very hard decision since Mata has been ace too.
PFA player of the year 2013
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Oh Rob stop being so precious, people saying it is 'laughable' doesn't equate to it being sour grapes or thinking he's been crap, it's just that he's nowhere near been 'POTY' deserving throughout the season. And I don't give a feck about the transfer saga, I never thought he'd come here and I actually didn't especially want him to, so I'm not bitter at all. To be honest, after the season we've had and the season Chelsea have had, I doubt anyone really cares anymore about Hazard chosing you guys over us.
@WhoScored
Danny Welbeck: In 1204 minutes of gametime in the Premier League this season, Welbeck has scored 1 goal from 38 attempts (2.6% conversion)
Right, start dressing that sh*t up anyway you like people. #DirkKuyt
Still a better winger than Fabio Borini.
I for one, am deeply bitter that we failed to signed yet another massively inconsistent winger. Curse us and our mere 20 point lead over Chelsea.
It isn't bitterness. Welbeck, Wilshire and Hazard are all curious nominations to me. All talented players but none have had more than a 6/10 season for me.
You have let yourself down there, a truly shitty and biased post.Carrick has been United's best player this season, his inclusion makes a million time more sense than Hazard's
Way to make a fool out of yourself... It's laughable because there are many better players in the league who deserve to be ahead of him. It's as simple as that. What exactly have Hazard done to stand out? I haven't watched Chelsea that much this season, but Hazard must have been one hell of passing genius to be worthy of this nomination, seeing as he's got almost the exact same goal/assist ratio as Kagawa, a player who's not only been criticised, but also plays out of position.
/realitycheck
What's the cut off for the young player award? 24? It's ridiculous. Neither Bale nor Hazard should be in the running. Wilshere has been injured all season, yet he still gets nominated. Who decides these things...?
More Belgian players than English. Their world domination begins.
I think the young players should be U21
Bale should take it for me, he's carried Spurs with so many important goals this season.
Obviously it'd be great if Carrick or van Persie could take it but I don't think either have a chance against Bale this year.
It's hilarious how Welbeck is shortlisted for the young player award, he's put in some very good shifts but his lack of end product is bordering on embarrassing at times. Rafael and De Gea surely deserve that.
Obviously it'd be great if Carrick or van Persie could take it but I don't think either have a chance against Bale this year.
It's hilarious how Welbeck is shortlisted for the young player award, he's put in some very good shifts but his lack of end product is bordering on embarrassing at times. Rafael and De Gea surely deserve that.
Cazorla or Michu over Hazard in POTY list, and it's a good list.
YPOTY is far from being good though.
Suarez has probably 38 attempts per game.
YPOTY is far from being good though.
@WhoScored
Danny Welbeck: In 1204 minutes of gametime in the Premier League this season, Welbeck has scored 1 goal from 38 attempts (2.6% conversion)
Right, start dressing that sh*t up anyway you like people. #DirkKuyt
Suarez has probably 38 attempts per game.
How does this thing even work? I think voting has been over and done with weeks ago. Today's list is simply the top six. They don't start another voting round.
Who won it for us in 2009?
Anyone who thinks Hazard has been better than Carrick this season should dispense with their eyeballs. They're obviously incapable of using them.
If Bale is easily POTY then how can he not be YPOTY also?
He's the best player but not the best young player?
As said before, He really should be only on the one list / eligible to win 1 award.
Giggs.
The thing about Hazard is, he's an attacking Chelsea player, and yet Mata has been so far and away Chelsea's best attacking player... that to have him there alongside him seems utterly redundant.
I don't think there is any sensible person alive who thinks Hazard has had a better season then Mata...
I don't think there is any sensible person alive who thinks Hazard has had a better season then Mata...
Of course. I'd forgotten about the lifetime achievement award.
No Rafael but Welbeck? Mental.
Carrick has practically been the best midfielder in the league this season, and Hazard should have been dropped ages ago, Oscar and Mata were outplaying him and yet find themselves being benched at times whereas Hazard finds himself playing nearly every game when available.
Welbeck over Rafael is laughable stuff. I know there's always complete spackery on display in these lists but it just goes to show once more how many people don't actually watch the game.
^In regards to the above debate, it really would've been absolute madness had Carrick not been nominated. If non-United fans can't see how influential and important Carrick has been then it simply doesn't reflect well on their understanding of the game.
^In regards to the above debate, it really would've been absolute madness had Carrick not been nominated. If non-United fans can't see how influential and important Carrick has been then it simply doesn't reflect well on their understanding of the game.
That's utter bollocks. All of my Carrick-hating mates ate humble pie this season, he really is getting the praise he deserves.
As for Hazard, I think you're thinking a bit too much of the whole transfer saga. Don't know about the others but I seriously didn't/don't give a shit about his comments or whatever it is you're implying.
Haven't ever noticed people here losing sleep over not getting him. Sour grapes? way OTT. Good player who's perhaps not the brightest of human-beings but still did nothing to deserve any kind of antipathy.
Will probably be between Bale and RvP. Rawk will be crying conspiracy when Suarez doesn't win it
Essexrob having a shocker yet again!
It has to be a double for Bale.
I love how Hazard has gone from a great talent and 'just what United need' to 'just an inconsistent winger', and 6/10 just because hes been nominated in the POTY awards.
Hes not been an absolute star, but hes clearly to any normal person been one of the better players in the league this season, his inclusion isn't completely ludicrous.
Hes not been an absolute star, but hes clearly to any normal person been one of the better players in the league this season, his inclusion isn't completely ludicrous.
I would have had Michu in ahead of Hazard. He's been an absolute bargain, scored 21 goals, and led Swansea to their first major trophy. It's a travesty he's not there.
I'm not saying Hazard isn't a good player, he's a very good player. I just don't think he's lived up to his expectations so far. Of course it's only his first season, but he's been inconsistent from what I've seen.
He's not been nominated as "one of the better players", he's been nominated as one of the six best players in the league.
Never mind the rest of the league, do you even think he's been one of the two best players at Chelsea this season?!
I don't think anyone would disagree with you. He's been pretty good this season, particularly given his age and the fact he is new to the League. Absolutely bags of potential and you're lucky to have him.
He isn't in the top 10 (let alone 6) performers this year though, that much is obvious.
Hazard is just what Utd need, and one of the best talents in the country. Still, he doesn't deserve his nomination.
I think most people agree that Hazard is going to be a star but he hasn't been that this season. He's gotten just 4 assists in the league in 2012...the same amount as he had in his first three league games. Inconsistent indeed. I've no doubt he'll develop into a better player than Mata myself but there's been a massive gulf between them for most of the season. Do you think van Persie has been significantly better than Hazard this season? A lot of people think Carrick's been the better performer throughout the season.
Strange that EssexRob says non-United fans wouldn't have Carrick above Hazard on the list, that's the exact opposite of what I've noticed. My non-United supporting friends have been saying Carrick has been great all season, while Hazard's inclusion on the list was questioned by them. I suspect that the truth is EssexRob is overestimating how good non-Chelsea fans think Hazard has been. Nobody think he wasn't good or that he isn't insanely talented, but that doesn't mean he should be on that list.
Having said that, Welbeck's inclusion on the young players list is beyond ridiculous. He probably isn't in United's top 3 youngsters this season, how the hell does he get picked?
Having said that, Welbeck's inclusion on the young players list is beyond ridiculous. He probably isn't in United's top 3 youngsters this season, how the hell does he get picked?
POTY
RVP - Correct
Suarez - Correct
Bale - Correct
Carrick - Correct
Mata - Correct
Hazard - Ridiculous.
Michu should be in there, and that's pretty much a fair list.
YPOTY
Benteke - Correct
Lukaku - Correct
Wilshere - Laughable
Welbeck - Just no.
Bale - Ridiculous that he can be up for this considering he won the main award a few years back.
Hazard- No comment.
De Gea should win this award, nevermind not be on the list. Scandalous omissions also for Nastasic, Rafael & Ben Davies,
RVP - Correct
Suarez - Correct
Bale - Correct
Carrick - Correct
Mata - Correct
Hazard - Ridiculous.
Michu should be in there, and that's pretty much a fair list.
YPOTY
Benteke - Correct
Lukaku - Correct
Wilshere - Laughable
Welbeck - Just no.
Bale - Ridiculous that he can be up for this considering he won the main award a few years back.
Hazard- No comment.
De Gea should win this award, nevermind not be on the list. Scandalous omissions also for Nastasic, Rafael & Ben Davies,
Anyone who bothers to check how many defensive players have won this since the P.L started ?
Carrick deserves it - but he is not gonna win it. But at least he is nominated - and that is special for a player who creates so little fuzz. That alone more or less indicates that he has been among the 2-3 best players
Carrick deserves it - but he is not gonna win it. But at least he is nominated - and that is special for a player who creates so little fuzz. That alone more or less indicates that he has been among the 2-3 best players
I seem to doubt Carrick would be near this had it not been for Gary Neville's little groundbreaking segment on MNF which led to every tabloid and football head deciding overnight that he's an unsung hero.
The POTY list is generally decent enough. Van Persie, Bale and Suarez were all the obvious inclusions, while Mata deserves to be there as he's been Chelsea's best player this season for me.
Not sure about Carrick. On one hand, it's great to see him get some recognition considering he's better than someone such as Parker who's been nominated in more recent years, however he took a while to get going this season. Yes, he's been absolutely fantastic since roughly November, but I don't know if he's been better this season than he was in 2011/2012. Still pleased to see him receive recognition though.
Not sure about Hazard either. It seems that he's being slated in an over the top way here, but he's not been in among the best 6 players in the league this season. At his best, he's one of the most talented players in the league and given a few years he'll be sweeping awards such as this, but not this season for me.
Michu should've probably been in there as people are saying.
The YPOTY is hard to take seriously anyway. The stipulations for it have not always been clear to me. The age barrier for it is already wrong, while it's unknown if it's more of a development award, or just for who the best player has been within the age barrier. It's often very favourable to British players too; Welbeck's inclusion perhaps being the most ridiculous in there when you look at his record in front of goal this season. I'd argue that from our own team, De Gea, Rafael and perhaps Jones have all performed better than him, and it's not exactly a massive compliment either as he's been average. Technically Bale should get it as he's the best in the nominated list, but they might give it to someone like Lukaku who's developed a lot over the season.
As for the main award, it's going to Bale or Suarez. I'd have said Van Persie a few months back, but his barren spell makes him unlikely I think. It's always hard to retain an award such as this unless you're as good as Ronaldo/Henry types in the past, and the fact that he's not been as strong for us as he was for Arsenal last season, despite still being our best player, may hold him back. Leaning towards saying Bale will get it due to his more favourable media rep and for being British.
Not sure about Carrick. On one hand, it's great to see him get some recognition considering he's better than someone such as Parker who's been nominated in more recent years, however he took a while to get going this season. Yes, he's been absolutely fantastic since roughly November, but I don't know if he's been better this season than he was in 2011/2012. Still pleased to see him receive recognition though.
Not sure about Hazard either. It seems that he's being slated in an over the top way here, but he's not been in among the best 6 players in the league this season. At his best, he's one of the most talented players in the league and given a few years he'll be sweeping awards such as this, but not this season for me.
Michu should've probably been in there as people are saying.
The YPOTY is hard to take seriously anyway. The stipulations for it have not always been clear to me. The age barrier for it is already wrong, while it's unknown if it's more of a development award, or just for who the best player has been within the age barrier. It's often very favourable to British players too; Welbeck's inclusion perhaps being the most ridiculous in there when you look at his record in front of goal this season. I'd argue that from our own team, De Gea, Rafael and perhaps Jones have all performed better than him, and it's not exactly a massive compliment either as he's been average. Technically Bale should get it as he's the best in the nominated list, but they might give it to someone like Lukaku who's developed a lot over the season.
As for the main award, it's going to Bale or Suarez. I'd have said Van Persie a few months back, but his barren spell makes him unlikely I think. It's always hard to retain an award such as this unless you're as good as Ronaldo/Henry types in the past, and the fact that he's not been as strong for us as he was for Arsenal last season, despite still being our best player, may hold him back. Leaning towards saying Bale will get it due to his more favourable media rep and for being British.
Michu or Baines should surely be ahead of Hazard on the POTY list, no?
As for the YPOTY, it's hard to think of too many other contenders. Rafael should definitely be on it, think non-United fans would agree with that. De Gea should be on it too, but I'd say the perception that he's "dodgy" was always gonna rule him out. Nastasic should definitely be on the list, one of the few good points of city's season. Guess Wilshere and Welbeck make the list because of their nationality.
RvP, Suarez and Bale all have good cases to win, couldn't really argue with any of them as winner. I suspect it will be RvP with Bale as YPOTY.
As for the YPOTY, it's hard to think of too many other contenders. Rafael should definitely be on it, think non-United fans would agree with that. De Gea should be on it too, but I'd say the perception that he's "dodgy" was always gonna rule him out. Nastasic should definitely be on the list, one of the few good points of city's season. Guess Wilshere and Welbeck make the list because of their nationality.
RvP, Suarez and Bale all have good cases to win, couldn't really argue with any of them as winner. I suspect it will be RvP with Bale as YPOTY.
Wonder if they'll overlook Bale for YPOTY, like when they overlooked Ronnie for Fabregas, presumably on the basis that he was going to win POTY anyway.
Bale for the POY, easily.
Since Bale qualifies for young POY, you'd have to think he'd take that honor too, fairly easily. But how on earth did De Gea get overlooked for the short list?
Carrick has been consistently underrated over the years. Good to see him get the recognition he's earned. He's been the rock of our midfield, the one player apart from De Gea who's been consistently either "very good" or "outstanding".
What's really sad for me to see is Rooney's name nowhere near consideration for POY. Rightly so, as he's played well below his known ability. While he still turns in performances that most other footballers could only dream about, he still falls short too often of what's required for a United player earning well in excess of 150k/week. 200/k+ plus, I think. But that's a discussion for another day.
On the short lists, it's just about right. I'd go with Mata over Hazard and I absolutely would have De Gea on the young POY list (and for me, winning it), but then again it looks to me like it's going to be a Bale sweep.
Since Bale qualifies for young POY, you'd have to think he'd take that honor too, fairly easily. But how on earth did De Gea get overlooked for the short list?
Carrick has been consistently underrated over the years. Good to see him get the recognition he's earned. He's been the rock of our midfield, the one player apart from De Gea who's been consistently either "very good" or "outstanding".
What's really sad for me to see is Rooney's name nowhere near consideration for POY. Rightly so, as he's played well below his known ability. While he still turns in performances that most other footballers could only dream about, he still falls short too often of what's required for a United player earning well in excess of 150k/week. 200/k+ plus, I think. But that's a discussion for another day.
On the short lists, it's just about right. I'd go with Mata over Hazard and I absolutely would have De Gea on the young POY list (and for me, winning it), but then again it looks to me like it's going to be a Bale sweep.