Well, we ain't ever getting Ronnie back if he's appointed.
Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern
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FCbarca, not the most objective person to ask but how do you compare his tenure there to Rijkaard's considering the position the club was in when each took over ?
And also, what you make of his transfer record at Barca ?
And also, what you make of his transfer record at Barca ?
Bizarre.. why would he do that - totally uncalled for.
That is the thing with Pep, he is a man of true passion, it is either love or hate with him: Qatar = big love; Ronaldo = big hate.
It is just the way he is, accept it, don't tell me that you wouldn't like him to make love to you.
I don't get it, there's absolutely nothing to see in that video. It looks like Ronaldo maybe bumped into Guardiola a bit and put his hand on his shoulder to apologize. Or something along those lines. You can't see the exact gesture but that's what it looks like. I wouldn't even have thought of Guardiola snubbing him if I'd seen it without the title. A nothing incident shockingly twisted by the media.
Hmm.. I guess something along those lines would probably explain it. He does usually have a decent reason for giving people the cold shoulder and by all accounts, he's ruthless when it comes to being cold, doesn't forgive and forget easily.
Am I the only one who doesn't see Ronaldo offering him handshake, but just taping his shoulder?
That's what I saw as well, they both just seem to acknowledge each other after Ronaldo taps him on the shoulder. Who cares.
Oh no, Ronaldo who currently doesn't play for us and probably won't ever again doesn't get along with a manager who also doesn't manage us and quite possibly never will. It's a disaster!
Oh no, Ronaldo who currently doesn't play for us and probably won't ever again doesn't get along with a manager who also doesn't manage us and quite possibly never will. It's a disaster!
That video just reminds me how much I hate Valdes.
Do we talk about Sir Alex Ferguson like we'd bum him furiously if we got the chance?? Do we really sound like that?
Some of FCb's posts in this thread made me throw up a little in my mouth.
Plus for me the whole "It's all too much!" tanty and subsequent leaving management after Barca was a bit..... I dunno.. mentally weak?... not trying to have a go. Just to me it makes me a bit wary but that is just my opinion.
I just think if he came to the PL and tried to turn the team in to a technique based powerhouse it would fail. A lot of managers have shown you need the right balance in the premier league. Academies here don't let their kids train nearly half as much as on the continent. So it is really quite pointless putting all of your faith into him making the academy magical. That whole kettle of fish is very stunted in England.
Mancini brought his tight defensive 'italian' style to the league and City we're boring as feck the season they qualified for the Champions League. Then he opened it up just slightly and got the balance right and then won the league. Even Laudrup at Swansea has brought a certain amount of directness and athleticism into the squad behind Roger's stolen setup from Martinez.
Some of FCb's posts in this thread made me throw up a little in my mouth.
Plus for me the whole "It's all too much!" tanty and subsequent leaving management after Barca was a bit..... I dunno.. mentally weak?... not trying to have a go. Just to me it makes me a bit wary but that is just my opinion.
I just think if he came to the PL and tried to turn the team in to a technique based powerhouse it would fail. A lot of managers have shown you need the right balance in the premier league. Academies here don't let their kids train nearly half as much as on the continent. So it is really quite pointless putting all of your faith into him making the academy magical. That whole kettle of fish is very stunted in England.
Mancini brought his tight defensive 'italian' style to the league and City we're boring as feck the season they qualified for the Champions League. Then he opened it up just slightly and got the balance right and then won the league. Even Laudrup at Swansea has brought a certain amount of directness and athleticism into the squad behind Roger's stolen setup from Martinez.
Jesus, I'm so bored of this misapprehension of his year's break coming up again and again and again, no matter how many times it's corrected. I can't even be bothered to go into detail, but it was very obviously not an 'it's all too much!' tantrum. It was something which he'd always planned to do, which the club had known about for a while, and which had nothing to do with any of the specific pressures at the time. It was simply the outcome of his desire never to let his career completely ruin his family life, and the lives of his family - which top managers often do, to some extent, even though their salaries and the nature of the industry make it completely unnecessary to do so.
'Mentally weak'.
Fair play. It just makes me wary is all. We are all used to Fergie being an unstoppable behemoth of management. Maybe it just mainly comes from that. The fact that every manager to ever manage should be an unstoppable robot when it comes to giving up everything for the club and the game.
'Mentally weak' I did try and identify was probably too strong a word in the context and that I wasn't calling him out on it, nor saying it was a genuine problem.
'Mentally weak' I did try and identify was probably too strong a word in the context and that I wasn't calling him out on it, nor saying it was a genuine problem.
Fair enough then. It's not really your fault, but every time discussion gets going about anything on this thread, someone brings up his sabbatical as if he somehow crumbled under the pressures of management, which was obviously not the case. He just always planned to take a break at some point to enjoy his earnings with his family.
Also, it's rumoured that Pepe felt the board weren't fully behind him.
All's fair in love and football management!
Better to get it out of the way now, he has about 25 years of hard slog ahead of him! Who else in the world could win everything on offer and then say 'I'm having a break, i'll be back soon..'
While not knocking him I will be generally interested to see how he does wherever he goes and the system isn't paved for him. If he was to go to City or come to United he would have a good platform to build on. But does he go to something slightly smaller and try and work it up? The world is his oyster. I think there is a lot more room to fail than in the Barca job. Nobody looks forward to failing. Especially not someone with a record as good as his so far.
I love what Rijkaard accomplished in a similarly short span in his tenure. He still commands considerable respect from the club & players.
The difference, if one looks for it, is in the management & tactical side. Frank was more of a straight forward tactical manager. Pep would never play for a draw in a knockout tie whereas Frank, like most managers out there, did. Plus, Frank used Henk ten Cate as bad cop to his good cop in order to maintain a disciplined clubhouse. Of course, that only lasted so long as by the end, Rijkaard had really lost control of the team.
Pep is known for the revival of the La Masia but Rijkaard had a reputation, as well, for employing youth - certainly not to the same degree. He played 16 year old Messi when many managers perhaps wouldn't have been as daft to put a player that young out on display at such a big club - it's pretty much unheard of in the present day let alone then. Of course, Leo was exceptional. Bojan also saw his debut (Prematurely perhaps) under Rijkaard.
I didn't know Rijkaard as a player the way I know of Pep but I did love the class Frank displayed at the helm. Seemed a very likable character and was very respectful in press conferences too
Everyone knows how astute he is at developing players from the cantera but transfers? I think it's probably the least developed area of his managerial skills, a work in progress if you will. Let's not forget, he was at Barcelona for 4 seasons and I suspect he didn't have too much autonomy on player transfers in that 1st season.
Who came in?
2008 - Hleb, Pinto, Keita, Piqué, Alves, Caceres
Hleb was an alternate to Arshavin whom they couldn't negotiate his transfer with Zenit and 2nd choice often leaves you with egg on your face. Of course, he wasn't poor, IMO. His attitude was poor and that's been evidenced by his career outside of Barcelona. Caceres was also 2nd choice to Garay but both turned out to be disappointments in Spain. Pinto is a big asset as were the others.
2009 - Zlatan, Maxwell, Chygrynskiy
Zlatan, another 2nd choice this time for Villa - expensive but that's less a Pep issue than Txiki & Laporta. Maxwell was good business coming & going. Cheesuz was a fail although Pep hadn't given up on him, the decision to sell was Rosell's and many point to that as the beginning of the end for Pep's relationship with Sandro in charge
2010 - Villa, Mascherano, Adriano & Afellay
All good business and choices. How much of that is Pep or how much of that is Zubi is hard to gauge - perhaps some combination of both. I would say that Zubi & Rosell negotiate shrewder deals than Laporta & Txiki - but again, that has little to do with Pep
2011 - Alexis & Cesc
Again, great business
Only perhaps Cheesuz stands out as a player that didn't fit and can be deemed a Pep fail but at the same time it was his first summer where he had more direct say in transfers as a rookie manager. One could say it was a learning experience
'Ronaldo's pushing midgets left and right.'Classic.
Totally deserved when being a dick with the ball like that, the reaction of the choir boys is funny.
Reading his book at the moment. FCBarca, do you not think the loss of Ten Cate before Rijkaards final season was a huge huge contribution to the complete break down between first team members?
Definitely contributed to it, no question, but Deco & Ronaldinho were never really towing the club line. They had preferred star status which was never going to last longterm and already was creating divisions within the team - namely Samu.
Despite earlier success, Ronaldinho's brother was renegotiating his wages on an annual basis and this made each summer a negotiating nightmare for teammates as well.
That team breakdown despite a wealth of talent was a big reason why Pep was put in charge - they wanted to regain the club's ethos & discipline rather than be held prisoner to pampered stars. So they cleaned house.
Talksport reporting that Abramovich is going to offer Pep 18m a year! Benitez reckons that Madrid will want him at the end of the season too!
Personally, I hope that Pep does end up at Chelsea on daft wage, he is destined to underwhelm where ever he goes next.
No, because we'd never bum Fergie, we'd let him bum us you ungrateful sod.
which book is that? sounds interesting. can you post the title please?
Looks like he's joining City next season..
Pep Guardiola snubs Man Utd, Chelsea, AC and Bayern for City
We'll see.
Pep Guardiola snubs Man Utd, Chelsea, AC and Bayern for City
We'll see.
If he does that, it'll be funny to see the likes of FCBarca justifying it with Pep being a nice guy who has only love for football
If he does that then it puts to bed the argument above.. Even if he wasn't a cnut, he is now..
Why do you now believe in a top source in Spanish football?
I still maintained my skeptical position with "We'll see" and "If"..
Same thing for me
I wonder what would Mancini think
whatever our chances are right now for winning the league are mancio's chances of getting sacked. if he doesn't win the league he's out on his arse. simple as.
And where did this 100% source come from? Could well be true but that means Mancini will be pissed
Fergie has seen them all
If they get Pep and still fail to do anything in europe it'll be even better.
As much as I rate him as a manager I think people on here and in football overrate him and fail to see that he managed at a club that already loved him and inherited one of the best teams/player to ever play the game.
As much as I rate him as a manager I think people on here and in football overrate him and fail to see that he managed at a club that already loved him and inherited one of the best teams/player to ever play the game.
Reckon he'll go to Chelsea still.
And players they have suit his style more than City tbh, even though probably both aren't exactly suited.
And players they have suit his style more than City tbh, even though probably both aren't exactly suited.