Guardiola: "i will stay one more year and then we will see. If I then lose my passion, Ill go home, rest and try to find it again"
Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern
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Talk with Fergie about finding passion.
Great manager, but that's just stupid.
Great manager, but that's just stupid.
Because by my parameters we are? I'm not trying to convince others. It's how I feel.
If anything, your statement tended more towards the dogmatic than personal opinion.
Apologies for any miscalculations.
Guardiola: "In Spain, you can't stay coach for as long as in England. I have a contract for one more year, then we'll see."
Don't really want someone who loses his passion after 2 years.
Don't really want someone who loses his passion after 2 years.
I don't blame him to be honest. He's got the best platform any manager can have and I'm sure if he's ambitious enough he wants to build great teams and not just essentially coach them and refine them.
Sorry but I'm very bullish about my opinion on that!
But I'm allowed to be on a Manchester United forum
Well if your'e playing CM with a cheat on (Messi, ineista, Xavi) then u can get bored. but don't mind him coming to United ofr a challenge, i have changed my view, he would mould the academy players further, to play that Barca way. one touch, run make space, dribble when in tight position or to pull important players out of position pass to the best player in position score etc.
I hope Fergie if he stays, realises, the same way Juve and Milan had our number, or even early Wenger's Arsenal, the need to change and adapt, we have come a long way, but this is the next perch we have to knock off, we have the experience for titles, and even to knockout stages, but now we need to step up a level.
Barca are like Zidane/Fat Ronaldo
We are maybe the Figo or Del Piero's of this world. we need to step up. but some players have failed twice and must go.
I hope Fergie if he stays, realises, the same way Juve and Milan had our number, or even early Wenger's Arsenal, the need to change and adapt, we have come a long way, but this is the next perch we have to knock off, we have the experience for titles, and even to knockout stages, but now we need to step up a level.
Barca are like Zidane/Fat Ronaldo
We are maybe the Figo or Del Piero's of this world. we need to step up. but some players have failed twice and must go.
La Liga (3): 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
Copa del Rey (1): 2009
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Champions League (2): 2009, 2011
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
At the age of 40!
A VERY special record no doubt. Thing is, how many ex players walk straight into the top team or the top one or two clubs and get the chance? Can't see it in England, look at Steve Bruce.
If the likes of Harry Redkanpp, Hansen and co were saying that SAF could have won any top 4 side the PL this year, then I think on the flip side of the coin you can argue that certain players or a team mainly already there can win you things. Especially as FR did before.
I like him but I still want to see him go to a team where its not already set up for any half decent manager to be successful at.
You need the tactical ability to manage which he obviously has but surely its a bit easier when the team is just so damn good it doesn't matter how the other team plays. Good management or good team, Barcelona I have not seen play with a option B, they may not have had to but would like to see him try and make this system work at another club. The current system has pretty much been in place for years there so its just second nature to everyone there.
He most likely is excellent man manager as he can relate to playing, especially for Barcelona. As good a manager as I think he is, I still think he might not be able to replicate what he has already done at another club where there is no such system in place.
You need the tactical ability to manage which he obviously has but surely its a bit easier when the team is just so damn good it doesn't matter how the other team plays. Good management or good team, Barcelona I have not seen play with a option B, they may not have had to but would like to see him try and make this system work at another club. The current system has pretty much been in place for years there so its just second nature to everyone there.
He most likely is excellent man manager as he can relate to playing, especially for Barcelona. As good a manager as I think he is, I still think he might not be able to replicate what he has already done at another club where there is no such system in place.
He inherited a side which after a few good years were lacking motivation and had finished 2nd two seasons in a row and you could say a dressing room which was in bad shape. He transformed them and tweaked the side that Rijkaard side, similar philosphy but they never used to press as hard as they do now.
Sure, he inherited a great group of players, but he developed those players into a cracking team, with a beautiful style of football, a winning mentality and a full trophy cabinet. The idea that anyone could win titles with that side is utter nonsense.
I have nothing but respect for the guy.
I have nothing but respect for the guy.
He's class...and a man of dignity.
He wants a bigger challenge, he wants to test himself in a different team where he doesn't have players like Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. If he does well at another team then obviously his reputation as a manager will increase.
What he inherited from Rijkaard was a team who ranked THIRD in La Liga after two seasons without a single trophy.
The problem for Pep is that as we see above, he'll never get the praise for this time like Sir Alex has for United or Wenger for Arsenal. He's astute at what he does, but he doesn't have to do a whole lot. His player managing skills are slightly suspect and he seems to make brash decisions that could cost and have cost his teams.
I think he is a solid manager, but not a great one. It kind of makes me feel sorry for Fergie that he works so hard yet somebody can walk into a job and do something in 3 years that took him 30 years to do.
I think he is a solid manager, but not a great one. It kind of makes me feel sorry for Fergie that he works so hard yet somebody can walk into a job and do something in 3 years that took him 30 years to do.
Like saying the Theory of Evolution was Richard Dawkins philosophy.
Rinus Michels
You don't know much about Cruyff if you think that he was just following Rinus Michels. Cruyff emphasised the role of technique and intelligence to a much bigger extent than Michels.
As Cantona put it in a recent interview: "When Johan Cruyff was coaching Barcelona, one of his players was Pep Guardiola who now manages the team. Guardiola was not big and strong and when Barcelona was playing Mallorca, he went up against Miguel Angel Nadal, Rafael’s uncle who was tall and powerful. Cruyff said to Guardiola, “Don’t jump with him, because you will have no chance to win the ball. Try to realize where the ball will be going and be there. Think ahead. Anticipate.” Clever tactics like that. Cruyff is an inspiration to me. When I was a kid and he was a player at Ajax, I wanted to play like him. Controlling the game. It’s all about Johan Cruyff."
For the record, I could manage that team.
They manage themselves, get the ball to Xavi and Iniesta, pass it to Messi. Score, rinse, repeat.
Not very hard lads. He's one of the luckiest men on the planet is good, sweet, humble Pep.
They manage themselves, get the ball to Xavi and Iniesta, pass it to Messi. Score, rinse, repeat.
Not very hard lads. He's one of the luckiest men on the planet is good, sweet, humble Pep.
Do you not think that United is set up already for any half decent manger to be successful?
He is more than half decent, the set up at United is more than half decent, he is probably the only manager around that would walk straight into the manager's job at United and still continue the success we have enjoyed over the past 20 years, playing the style of football we want to see at United and would continue in the direction that the majority of United fans would want the team to go.
He would be a dream replacement for SAF, in couple of years say...
You couldn't because you wouldn't have any authority. Besides, it was Pep who teached them to press the opposition like that. It's not something he inherited from Rijkaard. Rijkaard didn't do well after they won the CL in 2006 and got sacked. It's not even remotely as simple to manage a team like Barcelona as you seem to think.
Except we don't have Xavi, Iniesta and Messi at United. Now, if Pep came to United and made us play like Barcelona, yes, he'd be one the greatest managers in the world.
At the moment he's a young man who has the greatest side in the world at his disposal, he spunked god knows how much on Ibra and lost Eto'o, who for my money was/is better than Villa.
The record Pep has speaks for the quality of the squad, rather than any sort of managerial genius of his, because it isn't, do Barca have a plan B?
The only argument against the plan B idea also reaffirms my notions because it Barca don't need a plan B, not because they have Pep. But because they have 3 or 4 of the best players in the world playing in their squad in a system which is unmatched for technical ability on and off the ball.
Pep didn't teach them it.
I have no sympathy regarding the off field politics which Pep has to deal with, that's of Barcas own making in reality.
But teaching a team to press isn't rocket science. Rijkaard was a semi-final away from getting them to play Chelsea in Moscow. He wasn't far off even when Barca didn't press as much - they still pressed - and didn't really use Iniesta as they should, because of people like Deco still in the team.
Any semi-decent manager could manage Barca.
Getting a team of superstars to press is rocket science.
He was asked about his medals, and told the reporter that the medals belongs to Barca and its structure.
You have said that you have to teach a team to press, although its not that difficult to do.
You think Inesta worked that out on his own or do think that the manager guided him?
By you argument any manger can manage any team, which is clearly not the case...
When you win every trophy imaginable in your first three years and your team is widely regarded as the greatest club team at the moment (if not all time), there is very little that can motivate you so taking time off and finding a new goal is understandable.
I said successful, therefore not as necessarily as successful as he has been. I think he's a good manager but until/if we see him managing a different club where they do not have a tactic (with minor tweaks depending on the manager) in place like they do at Barcelona, I'd like to see if he can do it at another club for example somewhere in the prem.
At United I'm sure he would be good but not sure if he could replicate his feats as easily as he has done at Barcelona. Maybe its just the managers and teams here, but pretty much every team (except Arsenal) change their system in the match to get the result. At Barca there seems to one system and no fall back system (or there is but haven't had to use it) so I don't know if he has the ability to get results using different formations and tactics. Even as a player I think he played under the same style of football so its second nature to him. At the Premiership I think it would be difficult to keep using the exact same formation/tactic for every game.
We have a good set up at United but we do not have just one formation and tactic in place, its very diverse and there is a lot of rotation of players therefore different systems depending on the game. Its here where I'm not sure what he'd be like. Would he keep his 4-3-3 or change the system depending on the opposition at a different club and therefore how good is he at that.
I would love to be wrong should he come to us at any point and he kept his 4-3-3 and worked wonders but I just don't think the same system/tactic would work for 38 games in the Premiership.
It's still the philosophy of total football. Just because he emphasised one or two elements of it a bit more, doesn't make it a whole new theory.
You do realise Michels coached Cruyff?
Nice words about Sir Alex from Pep:
Barca weren't playing at the level Barca are now until Pep became manager. And it's a real credit to him to build a team with such chemistry and keep them together.
Ask any Real manager how hard it is to manage a "fantastic squad."
Ask any Real manager how hard it is to manage a "fantastic squad."
Just stumbled across these stats - that's simply incredible.
Confirmed at a press conference that he will be back in football next season.
"I'd like to return to coaching. I'll be training a team next year, but I still don't know where"
"I'd like to return to coaching. I'll be training a team next year, but I still don't know where"
My guess he'll be at Stamford Bridge unfortunately.
are we sure that it will be in an english club? he is in new york, maybe a yank mogul wants to pay silly money as they did with beckham
They can't afford him in the MLS, and it's a massive drop in prestige.
Bayern, City, Chelsea or United surely.
Well according to pretty much every paper in England (not exactly saying much considering our press is shite but still..) SAF has met with Pep a few times in recent months, I think one report even claimed he went over to New York to chat with him. Depending on how this season goes I wouldn't be surprised one bit if SAF retires in the summer. I know people have felt this way for a few years but with him missing a few friendlies in the summer and the statue being put up It just feels like the time is coming, I hope im wrong.
His quotes are coming up next on sky sports news.
His quotes are coming up next on sky sports news.