Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern

Balu said:
The problem with the nationalteam is, up until now Löw totally failed using the quality work of Dortmund or Bayern...I'm really excited about Klopp and Guardiola working in the same league. Could lead to some very interesting developments in tactics
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Agreed.

Klopp vs Guardiola will indeed make for some interesting chess matches. There's no question Pep's arrival will be a boost to an already great league.

Plus, the culture of Pep infusing into the Bundesliga will make for an interesting phenomena to watch from the outside, as well. The Suisse are known for being pretty rigid but I hear Germans are equally so, so I imagine a foreigner bringing a different wrinkle to a rich football culture will probably involve some growing pains. Yet, Pepism is pretty enticing and I suspect Germans will ultimately admire/respect his approach
 
Swaters16 said:
So Pep leaves the best team in the world and one of the best ever to one of the best teams in the world with the potential to be the best, wow Pep. Amazing stuff. You're going to prove your doubters wrong.
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You forget that Pep made Barcelona the best team in the world. They finished 3rd in the Primera in 2008 after a generally disappointing campaign. Since he arrived back at the club in 2007 he had been quietly overseeing a re-structuring behind the scenes, resulting in a more succesful integration of La Masia personnel into the first team.

He also managed to get the very best out of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi....something Rijkaard wasn't achieving. The style of play associated with Barcelona now is his blueprint, moulded by his years in Cruyff's epic team of the early 90's.

Tito Villanova is merely carrying on his good work but trophies count...lets see where he is in 3-4 years. Pep Guardiola is a visionary not a chancer. Bayern have hired him to win them the European Cup...and win it in style with class aplenty.
 
FCBarca said:
Agreed.

Klopp vs Guardiola will indeed make for some interesting chess matches. There's no question Pep's arrival will be a boost to an already great league.

Plus, the culture of Pep infusing into the Bundesliga will make for an interesting phenomena to watch from the outside, as well. The Suisse are known for being pretty rigid but I hear Germans are equally so, so I imagine a foreigner bringing a different wrinkle to a rich football culture will probably involve some growing pains. Yet, Pepism is pretty enticing and I suspect Germans will ultimately admire/respect his approach
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A lot has changed in germany, imo. Klopp and Tuchel are prime examples of the new german way and they're probably closer to Pep than to formerly high regarded german coaches like Magath, Hitzfeld. But maybe Bayern is still a step behind in that development so Pep will change the club, no doubt about that. I think he's perfect to do that while getting along with the huge charakters at the club. While van Gaal looked down on Hoeneß and Rummenigge and tried to teach them about his philosophy like they were school boys which lead to serious problems within the club, I can see Guardiola explaining his way and inspiring the whole club, bringing excitement along with his ideas. The huge respect he has towards former greats of the game will help him a lot, imo.
 
Swaters16 said:
So Pep leaves the best team in the world and one of the best ever to one of the best teams in the world with the potential to be the best, wow Pep. Amazing stuff. You're going to prove your doubters wrong.
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Who are these massive spastics?

In four years of management he won 3 La Liga's, 2 Champions League (Semi finals in the other two) and you expect him to go to Almeria just to prove idiots on the internet wrong?

Loads of managers have had great teams, very few achieve the success Pep did with them.
 
Balu said:
A lot has changed in germany, imo. Klopp and Tuchel are prime examples of the new german way and they're probably closer to Pep than to formerly high regarded german coaches like Magath, Hitzfeld. But maybe Bayern is still a step behind in that development so Pep will change the club, no doubt about that. I think he's perfect to do that while getting along with the huge charakters at the club. While van Gaal looked down on Hoeneß and Rummenigge and tried to teach them about his philosophy like they were school boys which lead to serious problems within the club, I can see Guardiola explaining his way and inspiring the whole club, bringing excitement along with his ideas. The huge respect he has towards former greats of the game will help him a lot, imo.
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Nice post. I'm very excited about next season with the Bundesliga, I watch less of it now but it will be my 2nd league next year - fortunately, we have ample coverage of it here. Shame my German is about as good as my Chinese :nervous:
 
FCBarca said:
Nice post. I'm very excited about next season with the Bundesliga, I watch less of it now but it will be my 2nd league next year - fortunately, we have ample coverage of it here. Shame my German is about as good as my Chinese :nervous:
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I'm pretty sure german commentators and pundits are by far the worst in the football world, boring and stupid - and I watch and understand english football so please don't tell me english pundits are bad as well, you have no idea. So you're not missing anything if you don't understand them. It's often more fun watching a bad stream on the interent with an arabic commentator - and my arabic is probably as good as your chinese - than games on german tv. It's really horrible.
 
Balu said:
I'm pretty sure german commentators and pundits are by far the worst in the football world, boring and stupid - and I watch and understand english football so please don't tell me english pundits are bad as well, you have no idea. So you're not missing anything if you don't understand them. It's often more fun watching a bad stream on the interent with an arabic commentator - and my arabic is probably as good as your chinese - than games on german tv. It's really horrible.
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Depends on who is the commentator, we have some good ones as well but yes the majority is either annoying (Lehmann) or clueless (Thurn und Taxis).

But if anyone annoys me too much I just switch for stadium audio, which Sky fortunately offers.
 
NoLogo said:
Depends on who is the commentator, we have some good ones as well but yes the majority is either annoying (Lehmann) or clueless (Thurn und Taxis).

But if anyone annoys me too much I just switch for stadium audio, which Sky fortunately offers.
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Yeah, I'm doing the same. But in that case FCBarca not speaking any german isn't a problem at all ;).
 
MancFanFromManc said:
Pep going to Bayern is just great news from every angle. It will raise the German league profile as a world wide product. It pisses off the owners of Chelsea and City. He seems to go for football reasons, not (purely) financial. Whats not to like about this move :D
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To be honest its restored my faith in football slightly - this and the RVP transfer. Nice to see that not every single decision made by the leading players / managers is guided by money.
 
FCBarca said:
Agreed.

Klopp vs Guardiola will indeed make for some interesting chess matches. There's no question Pep's arrival will be a boost to an already great league.

Plus, the culture of Pep infusing into the Bundesliga will make for an interesting phenomena to watch from the outside, as well. The Suisse are known for being pretty rigid but I hear Germans are equally so, so I imagine a foreigner bringing a different wrinkle to a rich football culture will probably involve some growing pains. Yet, Pepism is pretty enticing and I suspect Germans will ultimately admire/respect his approach
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Does Pep speak German? How will he communicate with the team?
 
Suedesi said:
Does Pep speak German? How will he communicate with the team?
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He speaks English, and I assume at least a few of the players do as well. Other than that, I have little doubt that he'll try to pick up German as fast as he can, and, well, Bayern can afford an interpreter if need be.
 
Suedesi said:
Does Pep speak German? How will he communicate with the team?
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He probably made up his mind about going to Bayern a while ago - signed the contract on 20th dec - and already started learning german in New York. Going to New York was probably more about getting away from the european press and being somewhere without being recognized all the time (and living in one of the greatest cities in the world for a year, of course). Shouldn't be a problem to find a german teacher in new york. Afaik he already asked about Jupp Heynckes and how he feels about the decision in german, so he already knows a little german and it shouldn't be a problem in a few month. He probably speaks better german than Mancini english in July when he starts working.
 
Let's just hope Klopp doesn't go to Real, Chelsea or City this summer then.
 
Klopp will stay with Dortmund for a while yet. In 3 years time Pep, Klopp and Mourinho will all be competing with each other for the United job.

We'll then appoint David Moyes.
 
Balu said:
He probably made up his mind about going to Bayern a while ago - signed the contract on 20th dec - and already started learning german in New York. Going to New York was probably more about getting away from the european press and being somewhere without being recognized all the time (and living in one of the greatest cities in the world for a year, of course). Shouldn't be a problem to find a german teacher in new york. Afaik he already asked about Jupp Heynckes and how he feels about the decision in german, so he already knows a little german and it shouldn't be a problem in a few month. He probably speaks better german than Mancini english in July when he starts working.
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Mario Gomez can just translate for him.
 
Apparently he started taking German a couple of months ago but I imagine he will have help on the staff of which there will certainly be current Bayern coaching members. Language barriers have rarely been an issue for managers.

His press conferences are great so I suppose we won't be seeing many of those in year 1. Although not sure how much press access there are to the coaching staff in Germany, I had gotten the impression there's quite a bit of insulation to that compared to Spain or England

Now quite a bit of speculation going on over who he might poach/loan from the Barcelona cantera. Can't imagine he'd be involved with unsettling any players but I could see players loaned to Bayern
 
FCBarca said:
Apparently he started taking German a couple of months ago but I imagine he will have help on the staff of which there will certainly be current Bayern coaching members. Language barriers have rarely been an issue for managers.

His press conferences are great so I suppose we won't be seeing many of those in year 1. Although not sure how much press access there are to the coaching staff in Germany, I had gotten the impression there's quite a bit of insulation to that compared to Spain or England

Now quite a bit of speculation going on over who he might poach/loan from the Barcelona cantera. Can't imagine he'd be involved with unsettling any players but I could see players loaned to Bayern
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Heynckes does at least one press conference (most time it takes about half an hour or even more when they get him in talking mood) prior to each Bundesliga match that is shown on fcb.tv - and there is a small press conference with the coaches after each match. And there is a press conference prior to each CL match.
 
Swaters16 said:
Did he earn it though? Look at Tito, Barcelona are still as good as ever. You can't tell me that it just so happens that Barcelona's last two coaches just happened to be amazing tactical geniuses. It is the club and the players. The coach is just there. The team is really just that good.

Winning with Barcelona and Bayern Munich is hardly impressive either. Not winning would be an absolute disaster.
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This post just wreaks of sour grapes. If you can't acknowledge what Pep did to put Barca in the position they are today, then you're never going to acknowledge him as a great manager. FFS, "the coach is just there." Yes, so removing the deadwood and deciding to put faith in some of the academy players basically means nothing.

Your logic makes no sense. You praise the effect without recognizing the person who played some part in the cause.
 
Pink Moon said:
And winning with Man United is?

in only 4 years of management Guardiola's already won as many Champions League's as Ferguson has and many are quick to tell you he's the greatest manager of all time.

Edit: I agree that he is, fwiw. But the point remains, it doesn't matter who you're managing. Credit when credit is due.
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United were in bad shape when SAF took over and he's stayed for over 25 years to make us the greatest team in English football history. That is impressive. United only had what 7 titles before SAF.

Barcelona before Pep had 18 or 19 league titles. They had 2 champions leagues as well. Barcelona were a powerhouse in Spain long before Pep took over. Barcelona with any coach at the time still had the players and the resources to win. The youth set-up, the system in place and the players all made it an easy job. This team regardless of the manager could well have been the best ever. Look at the Spanish National team, Barcelona's players are there and they are winning everything in sight.

The fact is Pep won with a team that was always going to win. He may have influenced how much they have won but at the end of the day, Pep left and Tito took over and the winning continues. When Tito leaves Barcelona will continue winning trophies. As long as Messi is around, Barcelona will win trophies.

Now Pep has taken over the biggest team in Germany and one of the best in the world. A team that has vast resources, brilliant youth and a first team capable of beating anyone.
 
Platato said:
This post just wreaks of sour grapes. If you can't acknowledge what Pep did to put Barca in the position they are today, then you're never going to acknowledge him as a great manager. FFS, "the coach is just there." Yes, so removing the deadwood and deciding to put faith in some of the academy players basically means nothing.

Your logic makes no sense. You praise the effect without recognizing the person who played some part in the cause.
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It isn't sour grapes. I have no personal problem with Pep and I'm not bitter towards him. It's called an opinion thanks. Clearing out dead wood and believing in youth that all had amazing potential. Great stuff. Youth that Pep had coached previously at Barcelona B, that grew up playing the same way that the first team played. It wasn't a master-stroke by Pep. He could well be a good coach, but he hasn't proved it winning trophies with one of the best teams of all time, playing some of the best players of our generation and possibly the best player ever.
 
Look at Madrid mate. They have a great team. Think of the Galaticos. You're making this overly simplistic when it is not. If what you're saying is true, why couldn't Rijkaard do it?

It's well-documented the many hours Pep spent dissecting opposing teams and their tactics. Shades of Bielsa from the articles I read but Bielsa is a freak of nature.

I'm interested to see how he does with Bayern but I don't understand why football fans feel the need to belittle his achievements. Having a gifted team is part of it, and the manager plays his part as well. They're not mutually exclusive. It makes even more sense with the results Barca are achieving now. Familiarity, continuity, and consistency.
 
Madrid is a joke though. They have no continuity, constantly sack managers for no reason, there's no unity. Barcelona isn't like that. Winning with a Madrid team in this state is a lot more impressive but even then people only get the Madrid job because of their previous coaching achievements.

Pep can put in hours dissecting teams all he wants but Barcelona played the same way every match. The way that they have been taught to play since the players joined La Masia.

As I said, Pep did win trophies. He may have won more than someone else would. He did well at Barcelona but winning at Barcelona didn't prove he was a good coach. Rijkaard and the few coaches just before him didn't have one of the best teams ever with one of the best players ever scoring 70+ goals a season. Pep inherited the squad and they peaked when he took over. So far Tito has continued the trend. Another first time coach.

It will be interesting to see what he does at Bayern but it would have to be a replica of the amount he won at Barcelona to impress me because right now Bayern Munich are in a very good place. They are potential Champions league winners with the best team in Germany with by far the most resources. I have no doubt he will win some trophies, depending on how long he stays, but most coaches could get Bayern to win something.
Of course the stress might get to Pep, like it did after he won everything in sight for four years straight with his boyhood club.
 
FCBarca said:
Apparently he started taking German a couple of months ago but I imagine he will have help on the staff of which there will certainly be current Bayern coaching members. Language barriers have rarely been an issue for managers.

His press conferences are great so I suppose we won't be seeing many of those in year 1. Although not sure how much press access there are to the coaching staff in Germany, I had gotten the impression there's quite a bit of insulation to that compared to Spain or England

Now quite a bit of speculation going on over who he might poach/loan from the Barcelona cantera. Can't imagine he'd be involved with unsettling any players but I could see players loaned to Bayern
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Won't happen, imo. Bayern is far more interested in using german talents than spanish. Of course there'll be thousands of rumours over the next years, but I really can't see it happening.
 
Swaters16 said:
Madrid is a joke though. They have no continuity, constantly sack managers for no reason, there's no unity. Barcelona isn't like that. Winning with a Madrid team in this state is a lot more impressive but even then people only get the Madrid job because of their previous coaching achievements.

Pep can put in hours dissecting teams all he wants but Barcelona played the same way every match. The way that they have been taught to play since the players joined La Masia.

As I said, Pep did win trophies. He may have won more than someone else would. He did well at Barcelona but winning at Barcelona didn't prove he was a good coach. Rijkaard and the few coaches just before him didn't have one of the best teams ever with one of the best players ever scoring 70+ goals a season. Pep inherited the squad and they peaked when he took over. So far Tito has continued the trend. Another first time coach.

It will be interesting to see what he does at Bayern but it would have to be a replica of the amount he won at Barcelona to impress me because right now Bayern Munich are in a very good place. They are potential Champions league winners with the best team in Germany with by far the most resources. I have no doubt he will win some trophies, depending on how long he stays, but most coaches could get Bayern to win something.
Of course the stress might get to Pep, like it did after he won everything in sight for four years straight with his boyhood club.
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Good post.

It's an obvious thing, but it's going to be strange for him not having a player who'll get you 60 goals. How do you deal with your new top scorer probably only scoring half what your previous guy did.
 
MrMojo said:
Good post.

It's an obvious thing, but it's going to be strange for him not having a player who'll get you 60 goals. How do you deal with your new top scorer probably only scoring half what your previous guy did.
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How is that a good post? Seriously there's so much wrong with it. Oh and btw Barca's most successful season under Pep was in 08/09 when Messi only scored 23 goals in the league and 9 goals in 12 CL games. They won every title possible that season.
 
The idea that keeping a great team great or taking them up one more level (as Pep did with Barca and no doubt plans to do with Bayern) doesn't prove that you're a great manager is bollocks. The tendency of a top club is always to decline, potentially rapidly.

To maintain the incredible 'status quo' of Bayern's current form and standing would be a massive achievement, and more than confirm that what Pep did at Barca was not some kind of easy caretaker gig, but actively bring their success to them. To go one better - get the Meisterschale a couple of times in a row, or win the CL, perhaps - would make him a serious contender for the best manager in the world at the moment.
 
Balu said:
How is that a good post? Seriously there's so much wrong with it. Oh and btw Barca's most successful season under Pep was in 08/09 when Messi only scored 23 goals in the league and 9 goals in 12 CL games. They won every title possible that season.
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Gomez won the goal cannon two years ago and was near it last year (if he had not played like a donkey in the last matches) - we did not win a title. In 2009/10 Müller was our best scorer. Robben, Olic not much behind. 2 titles and a CL final.

Actually I would prefer a system in which a lot more of the players take part in the goals. This are the goal-and-assist-statistics for Bayern in this season - first all competition - second only in the Bundesliga. It is better like this!
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Each of our offensive midfielders has more key passes than any of the players of Barcelona has.

Actually I want Guardiola to get back a little into the passing game van Gaal has taught - just to get back a little more structures. Just to work a little bit again on the basics - else stuff washs away with the time. They did not work on their passing the recent year and you saw it - they seem to take care of it more again this year so. Get in some more mechanism and team work and get a little away from individuality even if Ribery has less fun like this... ;)
 
Blackwidow said:
Gomez won the goal cannon two years ago and was near it last year (if he had not played like a donkey in the last matches) - we did not win a title. In 2009/10 Müller was our best scorer. Robben, Olic not much behind. 2 titles and a CL final.

Actually I would prefer a system in which a lot more of the players take part in the goals. This are the goal-and-assist-statistics for Bayern in this season - first all competition - second only in the Bundesliga. It is better like this!
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Each of our offensive midfielders has more key passes than any of the players of Barcelona has.

Actually I want Guardiola to get back a little into the passing game van Gaal has taught - just to get back a little more structures. Just to work a little bit again on the basics - else stuff washs away with the time. They did not work on their passing the recent year and you saw it - they seem to take care of it more again this year so. Get in some more mechanism and team work and get a little away from individuality even if Ribery has less fun like this... ;)
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Has Robben made his peace with your fans yet? I remember he got a bit of grief in a friendly against Bayern playing for Holland after that game.

I know he didn't have the best game but he was always a threat and he must surely be one of your best, if most frustrating players.

Interesting that since Mourinho, Chelsea have had 8 managers and Bayern have had 9!
 
So, Pep went to Barca, then Munich. So, is he another type of manager that only go to rich clubs with the most money in their league?
 
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