Same as I see it. Good choice but a very safe one. Chances of him failing are lesser than any other job he might have taken.
Mourinho in this regard loves challenges.
Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern
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Same as I see it. Good choice but a very safe one. Chances of him failing are lesser than any other job he might have taken.
Mourinho in this regard loves challenges.
A surprising but a very good move for him, he's not a silly man and I never thought for a moment that he'd go to Chelsea. Instead, I was convinced he was being lined up at City, what with the backroom appointments and all.
Bayern are a truly giant club and some people in the British media seem to forget that, and it's a good challenge for him. They already have an outstanding side, and reached 2 out of the last 3 CL Finals. He's got a lot to live up to to be honest. Bayern v Dortmund next year is going to be mouthwatering, can't wait. I already know I'll be watching more of that than La Liga.
Let's just hope Klopp isn't poached by someone in the summer now, I want to see the pair of them battle it out. Personally I see Klopp at Real Madrid at some point, but hopefully not this summer.
Bayern are a truly giant club and some people in the British media seem to forget that, and it's a good challenge for him. They already have an outstanding side, and reached 2 out of the last 3 CL Finals. He's got a lot to live up to to be honest. Bayern v Dortmund next year is going to be mouthwatering, can't wait. I already know I'll be watching more of that than La Liga.
Let's just hope Klopp isn't poached by someone in the summer now, I want to see the pair of them battle it out. Personally I see Klopp at Real Madrid at some point, but hopefully not this summer.
If he does well at Bayern, he'd answer the major reason why most United fans are hesitant, which is that he is yet unproven outside his comfort zone which is the Nou Camp.
Will be interesting for so many reasons, not least because Bayern Munchen do not have a 'tap dancing' playing style that Guardiola favours so much.
Will he try to impose that on Munchen? If he does, will it work in the Bundesliga? If it doesn't, he is tactically flexible and know any other way? And how will he take on Barcelona when he eventually faces them in the Champions League?
In terms of furthering his football education, its potentially a great move, if he pulls it off. But if after 2 seasons he is nowhere and the heat is on, it will be interesting to see if the creme of Europe are as mad for him as they are right now.
Will be interesting for so many reasons, not least because Bayern Munchen do not have a 'tap dancing' playing style that Guardiola favours so much.
Will he try to impose that on Munchen? If he does, will it work in the Bundesliga? If it doesn't, he is tactically flexible and know any other way? And how will he take on Barcelona when he eventually faces them in the Champions League?
In terms of furthering his football education, its potentially a great move, if he pulls it off. But if after 2 seasons he is nowhere and the heat is on, it will be interesting to see if the creme of Europe are as mad for him as they are right now.
I think so.
Dortmund have been very good the last two years but I can see them losing their best players every now and then, already have started with kagawa. Don't think, like bayern, they can keep their top talents from moving to the other European powerhouses. So I see there being less competition for bayern in the bundlesliga as opposed to what you find in the premier league. Also, bayern have the squad most suited to his possession based brand of football IMO.
In terms of judging him as a manager, would have been better to see him manage in England.
Yes, exactly. Matthias Sammer is director of football. Usually the manager/coach is involved in transfers though. Basically all - Guardiola, Sammer, Rummenigge, Hoeneß - have to agree for big transfers - let's say above 10 millions.
Really amazing, Sammer already talked about mainly looking for german talents to strengthen the squad. I think Pep is the one manager who not only knows his tactics but really improves players individually. Klopp is quite similar in that regard, imo. So I really think Guardiola at Bayern not only is great for the club but also for the league and probably for the german nationalteam as well.
Never been that excited about german football before. This decade could be really great.
What happens if it does belly up?
that would be great!
He has said a few times that he would love to manage in the premier league, we will definitely see him in England in the future.
It'll be "Auf wiedersehen, Pep."
boom boomExactly. As Fergie said, nobody knows what can happen in a few years. Pep could flop badly at Bayern and be out after 6 months, would he be as regarded then? Nobody knows.
This is probably the acid test of his management though, I think this job will tell us more about him as a manager, than the philosophy and players he knew so well into at Barca. It'll be fascinating to see how he does in the CL.
Of course he's again walking into a top job with world class players, but if anyone thought that after his Barca stint, he'd be going to a middle of the road European club just to appease his "he hasn't done it with a small club" doubters, they are deluded.
Excellent choice for both parties. I'm extremely interested to see what Pep does with Bayern in terms of both results and playstyle
Dortmund will be even stronger next year, I'm pretty sure of it. They replaced Kagawa with Reus, Sahin came back. So right now, they haven't lost a single important player, they extended most of the contracts - Bender, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Götze, Kuba. The only question mark is Lewandowski but he's not gone yet and replacing him should be possible if he's the only one leaving. Dortmund won't go anywhere next season, maybe after the world cup it'll change, if Götze and Reus decide to leave.
Should be a great fight between Bayern and Dortmund. Really looking forward to it.
I thought it was just me - but I despise the guy.
Like Amol has already stated he has very little competition in the German league besides Dortmund, and they're already struggling to keep their top talents, so chances of failing are not that high. His challenge will be to win the Champions league.
That's what I thought when I saw the news.
Unlike some CFC fans, I'm not too bothered about Guardiola not coming. I don't doubt he's a quality manager and has done tremendously well with this Barca side but look at them now without him - somehow they didn't skip a bit. Pep was in a unique situation at FCB - he never played or coached anywhere else.
He came through the ranks and his philosophy was his club's philosophy.
Also, he happened to take over the team that had the most talented players of that generation coming into the peaks of their careers, not to mention a brilliant youth academy. How many managers would love to coach Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Pedro etc? Pep was in the right place at the right time and he reaped the rewards of so many years of great scouting and coaching.
I always thought his next job after Barca will be his first true test. He picked Bayern. How much of a challenge is that, exactly? I admire the attacking nature of Bundesliga and how well it's being run, but how many teams besides Dortmund can realistically challenge the richest and star studded Munich club?
If he came to one of Manchester clubs or Chelsea, he'd face a far tougher task, I think. Just my opinion.
Would love to know Abramovich's thoughts on this one!
Might be time to stick a bet on Pep for next United manager @ 9.2
There is more of the talents even in Bayern youth that will come up soon. The Dane Hojbjerg probably will be promoted into the squad next season - he already took part in some of the test matches and at the training camp. The U19 rocks, too. The next two youth years that come up seem to be years like the 83/84 and 88/89/90 generation.
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The Spanish media talks about Raul as Pep's assistant...
Schalke fans won't like that...
What would be considered a flop at Bayern? No league or Champions league in 3 years?
In Rafa we (and he) trusts.
A year without title...
Yep. Had a sneaking suspiscion it's be Bayern or City (the extra risk at City being outweighed by the massive transfer budget available to him).
I don't really think there's much chance of him failing, they've got an outstanding side. Very happy as I did not want to see him at Chelsea or City. Worst case scenario was Pep at one of those clubs with Falcao coming in as well.
Is any of this wrong?
Sir Alex says he has 2 or 3 years left in him.
Pep says he wants to manage in England someday.
Pep signs 3 year deal at Bayern.
Sir Alex says he has 2 or 3 years left in him.
Pep says he wants to manage in England someday.
Pep signs 3 year deal at Bayern.
Fergie didn't say that did he?
Excellent. Good to have these managers in the game.
Hope i'm right on this.
Pep'd be a flop if he doesn't win the CL in my opinion, previous managers have got Bayern to CL finals but fell at the final hurdle.
I'm not surprised one bit. I had a hunch he would take the Bayern job months ago. It's a massive club, one of the biggest. I would even guess that Fergie would have advised him to take that job.
But I can't help feeling he wants the United job, despite people saying it's arrogant to think that.
At Bayern there's a different culture & setup towards football managers than at United. I recall that Guardiola has previously indicated he would like to run a football club from top to bottom, using Fergie as an example. Yet at Bayern managers only oversee the coaching & team selection and rarely stay longer than 2-3 seasons at a club.
This morning he clearly stated that he wanted to coach in the EPL. So him eventually wanting the United job would make sense to me.
But I can't help feeling he wants the United job, despite people saying it's arrogant to think that.
At Bayern there's a different culture & setup towards football managers than at United. I recall that Guardiola has previously indicated he would like to run a football club from top to bottom, using Fergie as an example. Yet at Bayern managers only oversee the coaching & team selection and rarely stay longer than 2-3 seasons at a club.
This morning he clearly stated that he wanted to coach in the EPL. So him eventually wanting the United job would make sense to me.
Bayern is not a stepping stone.
I can't wait for Bayern vs. Barca in the Champions League once Pep takes over, it's bound to happen.
I don't think any manager can realistically be expected to win the CL, there's just so many variables that can affect club tournaments are that level. See Chelsea for example, never won it when at their strongest and then fluked it under Di Matteo.
Easiest choice for him to choose Bayern. From one two-team league to another.
Who are your 3?
It was the logical choice. Good news for us too. 2-3 years from now we could move for him but so might Barca.
Great news for Bundesliga too.
Great news for Bundesliga too.
That's very disrespectful to the German league tbh.
Well nobody saw that coming!
I don't think Bayern winning the Bundesliga is an achievement which would motivate the likes of Pep whose won the Champions League twice, nor was the challenge of defeating Dortmund a key reason for choosing them. They're one of the elite teams, seriously big fish.. league titles are the norm albeit Dortmund have been brilliant these past two years, its the european cup which is the big prize.
A league title is always valued no doubt, but I think the higher echelon of managers, the likes of Jose and Pep.. it's the CL which motivates them, and at Bayern, Pep's got a ready made team ready to challenge.. it has already been challenging, his task is to take them to the next level, make Bayern the standout team in Europe.
He won't be expected, but I think both club and Pep mutually believe that they've found the right partner to excel in that very tournament.. and also win League titles in the process.
Bayern are not a stepping stone by any means, but I don't think they're the type of club where you can remain for a long period.. and I just don't see Pep wanting to settle down in Germany in the long term, it's England where his heart lies and he had ample opportunity to come to England this summer.. possibly could have had Arsenal, City, Chelsea... even Liverpool if he made a statement with regards to them. But he wisely chose to delay that move.. and I think its because its the United job he craves, it's a club of history which he always looks for.. it has a solid youth structure which he would have a hand in revamping if need be, its a club which has patience, enough money for transfers, a philosophy of attacking football... and a club where the manager is God.
Really wouldn't be surprised if Fergie and him have a verbal agreement of some sort, especially in light of Sir Bobby's coldness towards Mourinho.. but the next few years could change people's perceptions of both these coaches.