I know. As you were stating your opinion you shouldn't have said that there was "no doubt" he was going to end up there.
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I know. As you were stating your opinion you shouldn't have said that there was "no doubt" he was going to end up there.
This.
Since we sold Ronaldo to them, these two have just been hording the top draw talent. Now we are showing some financial muscle, we can expect to compete with them for players.
It's mostly about money, remember. Pay the most, and you will be favourites to land most players.
If he wants to, he will but it won't come from Raiola. To be precise Balotelli and Ibrahimovic moved a lot, but almost all moves had a sense.
Is he back from his injury yet?
Agreed. Raiola obviously benefits from the moves, but it doesn't strike me as though he primarily instigates them.
Yep. And even though Zlatan has gained a lot of notoriety as a Raoila mercenary, none of his moves were lateral, and maybe even kind of understandable :
Malmo to Ajax : Logical step when we consider Ajax's youth development record.
Ajax to Juventus : Another reasonable transfer. Ajax were no longer the club they once were and the Eredivisie was inferior to Serie A. Juventus were one of the best clubs around with Del Piero, Buffon, Thuram, Nedved, Emerson, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Trezeguet.
Juventus to Internazionale : The former got relegated to Serie B.
Internazionale to Barcelona : Serie A's decline had started and why would he turn down the chance to be a part of Pep's historical team ?
Barcelona to AC Milan : Was forced out of the former.
AC Milan to PSG : Berlusconi could no longer invest in the club. The likes of Ibrahimovic and Thiago were sold to create money and trim the wage balance. Plus they lost Seedorf, Inzaghi, Cassano, Gattuso, Nesta, Pato, Van Bommel in the same window.
If United keeps Pogba happy, why would Railo try to engineer a transfer ? Contrary to popular perception agents aren't solely motivated by greed. Their primary consideration is always promoting the interest of their clients.
If there is any chance we can sign Pogba we absolutely should, he'd add a dynamic quality to our midfield.
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We need to bring him home and make things right again. He's the only player I'd consider paying a huge fee for as I'm 100% convinced he would be worth it given his age, position and talent.
I still can't believe he was playing against Liverpool reserves at 19 when Scholes/Giggs were getting first team action at 40. A full retard moment from Fergie.
He'll sign for Madrid this summer if they get a transfer ban for 2016 and Juventus and Raiola will certainly squeeze real for everything they got too. The fat feck is probably drooling over this as we speak.
The big question with Pogba is whether we would break the bank to bring him back when he has already left once and is by no means guaranteed to stay for an entire career here.
Exactly. He would feck off again if Real came calling. Or certainly take the piss with contract negotiations.
Do we not profit from a sale in the future? I doubt we look at investments as individual gains and losses. As in we are hardly going to refuse to pay Ronaldo 300k a week because he cost us £200k last time he was here and decided to leave us.
Either did Ronaldo...either will De Gea. Works both ways just ask Stam.
Did we profit from his last departure ? The main point here is whether we would get burned again by a player who by all accounts looks like he will spend a career hopping from club to club.
So what ? we would sell him and make a profit again which is likely knowing Pogba's potential. Or he could fall in love with the club forever
The analogy is limited since none of those players came back to us.
Not really sure that label is fair to him tbh, but you never know.
So is the idea of him leaving again. He might not be the player at 27 everyone thought he would be and thus we sell him! Doesnt matter if he's been here and gone and gone again. Cesc at barca........another analogy?
I'd take him even if he leaves in a couple of years. It’s similar to De Gea situation, it’s very likely we will get the same money we paid for him, but it was totally worth it. It seems that finally we are not concerned about prices, value on the market and all, and we accept that you have to pay if you want top players. IMO buying him for 70m isn’t a big risk, he’s already ridiculously good.
All analogies to Pogba are pretty much out the window since it would take a near record fee for us to bring him back. Therefore the risk is much higher.
He's the best young CM on the planet. Crazy good and crazy young. He's worth GBP60-70m IMO. He's not a Ronaldo or Bale and as such so he's not worthy of a record transfer fee. I think he'll be snapped up at these prices buy Real Madrid or Barca.
When have we last sold a player for 60m? Ronaldo was a one off. We are generally very poor in getting value for the players we are shipping out.
Thats because they are largely garbage!
He would certainly challenge the money we paid for AdM last summer, which by the way hasn't worked out that well. Bottom line, you never know whether or not a certain player is going to be successful, irrespective of how good you think they are.
I think that the underlying sentiment behind this common view is that deep down some of our fans seem to see us as not being at the pinnacle of European football. That is then coupled with the fact that Paul Pogba is pretty obviously destined for the pinnacle.
I very much doubt that if we were discussing him joining Real, the belief would be that he obviously isn't going there to stay. The only way out of that club for a big signing is if he fails to deliver. Basically, it is an inferiority complex that says that we are not a big enough club for Paul Pogba. Since Woodward came in on some BMF shit, I doubt the fear is that he will leave because of money. We can obviously pay him lots, so the fear seems to be that he will want to take the 'next step'.
I said earlier in this thread that we cannot leave the entire top-shelf to Real Madrid and Barcelona. We are up there with the biggest of clubs, and have the financial muscle to rival anyone. It is only by bringing in these types of players and winning more trophies that we will slowly eradicate the notion that this pinnacle is Real/Barca. They were not born royalty. Barca are there because they have bought top players over their history, that players want to follow. Let's do the same. Barca have only won one more CL than us. Their history isn't just about trophies per se, it is more the individuals they have had. Not buying players because they may leave one day is silly. As is the general notion United fans seem to hold that every player should be spending 'the rest of their careers' at Old Trafford.
When was the last time we had the best player in the world? We pretty much sell players when they are through! If someone wants Pogba from us at his peak they best cough up £££. I don't get why this is a problem.
4 years of Pogba 2 EPL and a Champions League for instances is well worth if for me as a fan.
Cleverly, Hernandez, Welbeck and now De Gea. We are very poor or extremely unlucky or a combination of the two.
Chelsea would have made around 75m at least by selling these players.
Am I missing something? De Gea gone? We got 17m for Welbeck. He has scored 4 prem goals. I pretty much think we done okay there. Cleverley plays for Villa not Wolfsburg so don't see what the problem is there and Hernandez we will profit or break even which is fine, he isn't exactly the full package.
We won't get anything more than 15-20m for De Gea, that too if he is sold this season. And that's what I am trying to say, that there is always some reason for us to not get the maximum value we can from the market.
Welbeck might have scored only 4 goals but lesser players (english) have gone for much more than him. Whoever Cleverly plays for is irrelevant, we are getting nothing for him. Hernandez scored 20 goals a season for us and is surely a 15-20m player but I am convinced that he will go for lesser.
I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't be pursuing him. The point i was making is there is tremendous risk in paying 60-80m for him, as there would be no guarantee that he would be the magical missing link to our success. Van Gaal, imo, is interested in building a system with team players who can do what he wants them to at each position. Fans always look to individuals (players) as pieces to a puzzle whereas the club has to look at the intangibles from work ethic, attitude, agent relations etc. I'm by no means convinced Pogba will somehow magically transform us, and given his knee jerk attitude of fecking off the greener pastures, I'm not remotely convinced he'll never do it again. Bottom line, there is considerable risk and questionable reward in pursuing Pogba.
Cleverley wouldn't have ever been in their squad tbh. They have better youth than him they don't bring through, and they would never have signed him. As for Welbeck, they got £15m for Sturridge, who is better, while we got £16m for Danny. Generally, they are getting rid of better quality, hence the better prices. I can't recall many Obertan's amongst their trash.
Rest assured, If Real want Pogba from us and he has up to two years left on his contract - we will not be selling for £20m.
It was LVG and the club that went for Di Maria and Falcao! You could argue a continuation of the scatter gun approach Moyes was guilty of considring neither are deemed necessary now to the first 11! The risk is even greater with lesser names making the grade, they are leading names for a reason after all!
If anything, our pursuit of Di Maria and Falcao is inescapable proof that throwing massive transfer fees and wages at recently world class players is a highly risky proposition. Not saying Pogba wouldn't be successful, but like the others, he would come with his own significant, proprietary risk.
Yeah and how did looking for value in the market and taking risks like Zaha and Bebe go down? The fact is if we buy Pogba, Bale, Lewandowski and Varane no amount of penny pinching would give us a better chance of silverware! Simples
De Gea is just a personal opinion however I doubt we will lose money on him. They other comparing where in regards to other clubs which except for Andy Carrol I can't remember a striker of Welbeck's level going for more money from a top club. Cleverley is relevant because unlike Chelsea cash rich Wolsberg didn't want him and he had a year remaining on his contract. Hernandez has been a super sub for 3 years. We wouldn't spend £20m on him let alone another top club.
Judging by the rest of your post, it sounds like you are doing exactly that!
But I think I get your position more now, the post I responded to seemed to clearly indicate a disapproval based on a perceived lack of loyalty, however it seems you have reservations about Pogba as a player, and the value for money that he would apply.
Those are poor examples. First, Lewandowski and Varane would be much cheaper and thus less risky investments than Pogba. That (again) is not to say Pogba wouldn't be a good buy, its all subjective relative to how the team performs, but the risk to reward ratio would be significantly higher. Now, if we have 150-200m to spend next summer, much of this will be a moot point and we will go after the likes of Bale, Pogba, and Ronaldo.
For all those who'd argue That he wouldn't be a good signing because he'd leave for Real or a similar club eventually. He doesn't need a stepping stone, he's already got free range to pick whichever club he wants so whoever he chooses in the end, he'll be in it to succeed.
He's absolutely made for the Fellaini-role in our midfield IMO, would be immense for us. I have very little hope of him coming here however.
He's absolutely made for the Fellaini-role in our midfield IMO, would be immense for us. I have very little hope of him coming here however.
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