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Pogba in this midfield under Van Gaal....
Can't see him anywhere else than Real (or Juventus if he stays put).
Barcelona is another realsitic destination for him but only after their transferban is lifted.
Chelsea, City and PSG can't afford him with FFP. Especially because they will need to bring in other players aswell (especially City but also PSG needs to rejuvenate their team). There won't be any room for a €80m signing like Pogba and given how much has been payed for top transfers like Di Maria, Bale, Neymar etc Juventus won't hold out for any less I think.
We could afford him but not sure if he'd want to come here and if Real is interested we all know where he'll end up.
Barcelona is another realsitic destination for him but only after their transferban is lifted.
Chelsea, City and PSG can't afford him with FFP. Especially because they will need to bring in other players aswell (especially City but also PSG needs to rejuvenate their team). There won't be any room for a €80m signing like Pogba and given how much has been payed for top transfers like Di Maria, Bale, Neymar etc Juventus won't hold out for any less I think.
We could afford him but not sure if he'd want to come here and if Real is interested we all know where he'll end up.
He's the midfielder that can really come and take us on a level. Would be a dream signing. If we can;t get him, I think we would find it hard to improve on our current trio in the market this summer.
Le 10 Sport as us in the running.
I find the idea of wanting us to spend lots of money on someone who deliberately ran his contract down to leave us on a free a few seasons ago a bit strange. Good player or not.
Me too. He's a very good player and will almost definitely join the world class bracket in the not too distant future but he's already left us. He'd probably be angling for a move in 3-4 years anyway if Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking.
I don't blame him for leaving in 2012 for what it's worth. His role at the club was very limited and he was anxious to play, Juventus had offered him a better chance so he took that even though Juventus were a step down at the time.
A player (a kid at the time) that wanted to play? I don't mind it providing they can back it up. However lots of people questioned him for leaving small French Club for Manchester United. Like it was proof of something. The only thing dodgy about Pogba, is the parasite of an agent he has. We should be big enough as a club to admit a mistake. IF we went for him? It would be because we think he's a good player and he is a that.
So it wouldn't be that big a surprise to be honest. I think we're a good club like that
So it wouldn't be that big a surprise to be honest. I think we're a good club like that
I don't think he will ever sign with us. He would cost too much and he would prefer avoiding SAF for the rest of his career. I can't blame him for that.
I don't care about the past, Pogba would be absolute gold in our current set-up.
Yes, because Ferguson ate his children.
Pogba
Koke
Verratti
I hope to god we can sign one of these dudes this summer
Koke
Verratti
I hope to god we can sign one of these dudes this summer
Does it hurt your pride? Don't see why you should care. #bringpogbaback.
You know that its not what I meant.
The Pogba situation will forever be remembered by neutrals as one of the very few SAF's mistakes. A lot had been said by both parties to try and justify their position with Pogba claiming that SAF didn't really rated him so much and SAF saying that Pogba's head was turned by his agent. Considering that Pogba has the world at his feet it would be silly for him to return at United were SAF is still an influential figure (director) and one of his most loyal people is LVG's assistant/possible LVG successor.
Once a player ends up burning bridges with a club/influential person at a club than he shouldn't attempt going back there. I've seen that happen before (ex Roberto Baggio) and believe me its not nice. Even if SAF stays completely away from the managerial side of the club there will be suspicions that he may have some influence on why Pogba had been rested or substituted in this or that game.
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I'm a fan but I think he's got bigger aspirations in his mind than Utd. Nailed on Real Madrid bound in my opinion.....
You can't blame him. More prestige, more money and there's a certain Zinedine Zidane there who will act as a father figure for him.
Correct. I love my football club but having been to Madrid a few times, even I have to admit it's on another level....
How has he burnt his bridges? The only complain he's had was that Sir Alex didnt trust him whereas he felt he was ready to take the step up. Sir Alex is no longer in the football side of things and considering how highly Pogba rates himself, I doubt he's afraid Giggs might bench him because Sir Alex says so IF he becomes the manager. Our manager for the near future is too strong a guy to let anyone influence him and Pogba is well aware of that.
So United have low aspirations ?
TBH I think both the club and Pogba had burned bridges. The club's legend and director had suggested that Pogba was lead by the nose by his agent. On the other hand Pogba hit back by saying that SAF's didn't trusted him too much.
If Manchester United's were the only big club available for him that maybe its worth for him to take the risk.Juventus will never give him the money we can give. However its not the case. The boy can go back home (PSG), he can play for Barcelona (a much more settled side than we are) or at Real were he would be guided by compatriot Zinedine Zidane. Why should he bother playing for a club whose director didn't trusted him enough and whose assistant manager is SAF's most decorated player?
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Not sure. He's not very disciplined, is adventurous and loses the ball quite often. Basically, he has the attributes for which Herrera was dropped for like half a season.
Pogba is a better player than Ander and certainly with much higher potential, but currently I think that Ander is better for our setup.
Anyway, would love if we sign him (imagine a couple of years of coaching under LVG). If we can't get him, then I hope we go for the cheap Gundogan.
Well Real are in a better position than we are. Also Pogba will be working under the wings of Zidane.
Is that true ? Ancellotti is still the manager.
The only thing I know because he said it, is that he loved is time at United , he loves the club and admires Giggs and Scholes. He also likes the city and lifestyle in England.
Who in the centre of the pitch do you see dropping to the bench? Modric or Kroos....?
The city and lifestyle compared to Madrid is really not worth comparing!
For you, not everyone.
I won't be surprised if the person in question would be Modric.
Pogba and Sir Alex burnt bridges, Pogba has had nothing bad to say about the club.
I do think he'l be the next galactico at Madrid fwiw but his relationship with Sir Alex wouldnt be the reason he wont move to us. Its as simple as Real being a bigger pull.
Sign him on the proviso he switches agents to Mendes. Better the devil you know
Lets say United signed him up. I think we both agree that he won't come cheap (he's rated at 50-60m mark). Questions will be raised by the media who will be asking LVG and Giggs why United had spent so much money on a player who was once theirs. Old wounds will be opened with the media probably tracking down SAF to have a word with him regarding the deal. We both agree that SAF is a proud man and would never say he messed it up. Pogba on the other hand is proud to so if SAF puts the ball into his court he will surely answer him back. That would put LVG in a pretty uncomfortable position.
IPogba will be also training under Ryan Giggs watchful eyes. Lets say he had an off week (it happens) and Giggs suggest that he should be out of the team. It happens to alot of players before including Herrera whose an absolute beast at the moment. Don't you think Pogba will be asking questions? After all Ryan Giggs is SAF's most decorated player and one of the most loyal ones. Also Giggs has his own agenda (ie succeeding LVG) and will certainly need all the help he can get to achieve that. I am sure that SAF wouldn't do that however Pogba is young and these thoughts will certainly cross his mind especially if fueled by an agent who made an absolute fortune by having players hopping from one club to another.
You may think I am imagining stuff but I've seen that happening before. Baggio had a nightmare at both AC Milan (were he burnt bridges with legend Sacchi) and Inter (their manager at the time was Lippi the one who sold him off in the first place). Believe me its not nice. Trust is an important thing in football.
Pogba left on pretty bad terms with SAF who had less than nice things to say on the matter once the move to Juventus was confirmed. Between the heated arguements with SAF and him (Pogba) being banned from practicing with the team might just be enough baggage for him to prefer a move somewhere else.
I don't think we should call it a SAF mistake that Pogba left. Fergie obviously fought tooth and nail to keep him behind closed doors but the lad couldn't be swayed. We have always followed the principle that no player is bigger than the manager or the club. If you can't get behind that then this isn't the club for you. It may have cost us Pogba but the alternative is far worse IMO.
Was it really the case? Why were we still playing the likes of Cleverley and Ando then? Were they good enough for the club? What about handling a 5 year contract to a player whom the manager knew that he had a career threatening sickness? Does that make the player's interest bigger than those of the club?
Pogba believed that he was better than Cleverley and Ando who were getting more games than him. He went to Juventus and proved that. At the end of the day we all know how this story ends don't we? Ando is at some random Brazilian club taking oxygen after 10 minutes of play. Cleverley is at Aston Villa while Pogba is the most rated young midfielder in the world.
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If he moves to one of our rivals, it'd be the same both in the media and in terms of interviews that the likes of Van Gaal or Sir Alex might have to give.
There are too many ifs there for my liking. As far as I see, Van Gaal is here for the near future, 2 years at the very minimum. He might stay longer and even if he leaves, there's no guarantee that Giggs will succeed him. If we approach him, I dont see the scenario you're portraying being too much of a factor especially given Van Gaal's reputation.
I don't doubt he could prefer a move elsewhere especially if Real come calling. What happened with Sir Alex won't be the reason though especially when Pogba has been complimentary about the club. Didnt he even say he's still a fan recently? As I see it, the problems were between him and Sir Alex. Sir Alex has no role to play in the football side of things anymore.
Who is the part in bold directed at btw?
The reason Anderson and Cleverley stayed on as long as they did was that they didn't question their roles at the clubs and were ready to do whatever they were asked to do. Cleverley just broke through at the time, a pure United product, striking up a very promising partnership with Anderson early on in the season in a period where we played some of the best football I've seen from a United team.
Pogba didn't want to stay, therefore e left. If he truly loved this club and the city etc he wouldn't have given it up so easily. Besides, I get the impression that only a few around the time of his departure realised just how large of a talent he actually was.
As I said above I'm not so sure that his love for United and Manchester is that genuine, if they were you'd think he'd be prepared to fight harder to stay.
SAF is gone but his presensce is still there in that much of the same staff and people (players, staff and personnel) are still at the club since tht time and he'd have to win back a fair few people if he returned compared to another club where he'd be instantly loved.
I'm Sorry, the point in bold wasn't aimed at you at all mate. I was talkin generally about players who'd look to make a career here.
James.
Footballers don't love football clubs. They go to the club's that serve their professional and personal interests and stay there as long as that remains the case. Pogba would come back if the offer was good enough, as would any player.
Win win, if he goes to Real they won't afford De Gea, if he doesn't then he might come to us
Its easy not to question your role when you're clearly out of depth. Things get complicated if a player got some real talent and is kept out of the team by two idiots who should be thanking their lucky stars for playing at a club like United in the first place
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