Paul Pogba

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RooneyLegend said:
Hes the most complete midfielder in world football atm, has it all. Can pass, shoot, tackle, dribble all to a very high level. In truth he's a monster that's rarely seen in football, like a freakish combination of Viera and Zidane.
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No he isn't. He's a very talented 22 year old who will be the best midfielder in the world in a few years but right now he's got to work on defensive discipline, positional discipline and be more consistent.
 
Pexbo said:
No he isn't. He's a very talented 22 year old who will be the best midfielder in the world in a few years but right now he's got to work on defensive discipline, positional discipline and be more consistent.
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Well said Pexbo I agree there are better players than him atm but his ceiling is massive if reached.
 
Lawman said:
Well said Pexbo I agree there are better players than him atm but his ceiling is massive if reached.
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He's not far from his ceiling due to the skunk that resides on his head. Seriously though, has he torn shit up in the CL? Serie A has not been a good league for a while now.
 
Pexbo said:
No he isn't. He's a very talented 22 year old who will be the best midfielder in the world in a few years but right now he's got to work on defensive discipline, positional discipline and be more consistent.
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This just stinks on someone who doesn't watch Juve play. how does he need to work on his defensive and positional discipline? he's is in the right place at all times when his team is defending, he's almost impossible to go past. You wouldn't be able to find one goal where his lack of positional discipline has cost his team yet he needs to work on it? he plays for the most organised unit in world football, and takes care of his defensive duties really well. He is the best midfielder in the world already imo and i've seen nothing from other mids around that makes me think otherwise.
 
Haha agree with the post above. Anyone who says he needs to work his defensive discipline obviously doesn't watch Pogba play. He is actually pretty good defensively and will nearly always help the team out in that regard, and yes he is also very difficult to get past with people are running at him.

Obviously there can always be improvements made but Juventus also have Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio in the midfield, so it's not like he even needs to do that much defensive work over there.
 
He's played as the left sided CM in the midfield 3 this season and has constantly helped out and protected whoever plays at LB and has a good understanding with Evra down the flank when Juve are attacking.
 
I will cry myself to sleep if Chelsea sign Pogba. Id rather see him go to Barca or Real. Infact i won't be surprised if his french uncle Zidane manages to convince him to join Real Madrid.
 
R'hllor said:
He had his chance to show all right qualities to be United player,he blew it.
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I can only remember him getting very little play time at United so I'm not sure what chance you are referring too. He should be getting praise for not just sticking around in the reserves and going to Seria A to prove himself by playing top level football every week.

Park Ji Sung and Rafael were getting playtime in central midfield instead of Pogba and then we resigned a 36 year old scholes instead of giving Pogba a chance. I can't blame him for ditching United
 
Attila said:
I can only remember him getting very little play time at United so I'm not sure what chance you are referring too. He should be getting praise for not just sticking around in the reserves and going to Seria A to prove himself by playing top level football every week.

Park Ji Sung and Rafael were getting playtime in central midfield instead of Pogba and then we resigned a 36 year old scholes instead of giving Pogba a chance. I can't blame him for ditching United
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Well i for one believe there was a reason why X or Y were in front of him in picking order,also if he really wanted to play for us,he would show some patience,put trust in best manager of all time,drop you head and work harder,that way even with some suffer playtime wise,you would show that United is worth it.I dont have doubt that with new contract his playtime would increase,dont think that would change under Moyes either. Thats why i said that he had a chance to show all right attitudes and qualities to be United player,he didnt,he blew it.

Instead he wanted something else,his agent saw a chance to profit and in same time to act with wishes of his client. Not saying that Mendes is any better but Raiola is special cnut of agent. I would rather pass dealing with him.
 
R'hllor said:
Well i for one believe there was a reason why X or Y were in front of him in picking order,also if he really wanted to play for us,he would show some patience,put trust in best manager of all time,drop you head and work harder,that way even with some suffer playtime wise,you would show that United is worth it.I dont have doubt that with new contract his playtime would increase,dont think that would change under Moyes either. Thats why i said that he had a chance to show all right attitudes and qualities to be United player,he didnt,he blew it.

Instead he wanted something else,his agent saw a chance to profit and in same time to act with wishes of his client. Not saying that Mendes is any better but Raiola is special cnut of agent. I would rather pass dealing with him.
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A part of me feel the same way you do, but should do everything in our power from letting him go to City or Chelsea...his ceiling is that high.

PS: Hazard's agent is a cnut too, but if we paid him the 6M he wanted, Hazard would be ours today.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Take it you didn't watch the Atleti vs Juve matches then?
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I didn't, and I'm not too familiar with Koke, but if he's 'comfortably' better, as some seems to be suggesting, than he must be a very special player, because Pogba is super.

The only time I watched Koke vs Pogba was when Spain played France in a friendly. Pogba bossed the whole game.
 
he will win balloon d'or. We should resign him no matter how silly we would look and no matter how he would fit in the team. We are Pog-bound, he played here after all and we gave him good basics to succeed even his development started to really accelerate at Juve.. CHelsea didn't look silly a bit with Matic. He's been one of their best players since his arrival at Stamford Bridge. Pogba-Herrera midfield and Schneiderlin as DM and we will look scary as hell in the middle of the park..
 
Attila said:
I can only remember him getting very little play time at United so I'm not sure what chance you are referring too. He should be getting praise for not just sticking around in the reserves and going to Seria A to prove himself by playing top level football every week.

Park Ji Sung and Rafael were getting playtime in central midfield instead of Pogba and then we resigned a 36 year old scholes instead of giving Pogba a chance. I can't blame him for ditching United
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Some folk just dont realise that the world doesnt revolve around United.
 
I do think he needs to work on his positional discipline more and be more consistent in general (as can be said of every single young player in the world), and he definitely isn't the best midfielder in the world at the moment, but he will get there in the next few years. Would be perfect to replace Fellaini from the starting 11 and that's why I think we should sign him at all costs.

He provides the threat from range, that physical presence and height, as well as being a hard working box to box type player. He plays the position at Juve so would be perfect here as well next to Herrera and in front of Carrick/Blind. It's actually not often at all you see a more perfect player for our current system to replace Fellaini from the 11 then Pogba IMO. Young, perfect for the prem, attack minded and a goal threat, was at the club already even, and plays in a similar type system at Juve (kind of).
 
Pogba insists money never came into his thinking when deciding to leave Manchester for Turin, but says the return of Paul Scholes was the final straw.

He said: "When I saw Scholes come back part of me was really happy as he's a legend, but I knew it was the end of me. The manager thought Scholes had to play, not me, and after that I had to leave.
 
Tbh can't blame him really. We held on to an ageing midfield for far too long. He's not a born and bred United fan and you can't expect him to be loyal to us. Even born and bred academy players leave their clubs all the time, like Fabregas leaving La Masia.
 
Never seen a player and his former club being talked about together so much. Every time he does something good it is ''United let him go'' and his name can't be mentioned without ''ex Manchester United player'' being put in front of it.
 
Redo91 said:
No he didn't and that's why he left in the first place.
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I never meant only playing chance,more like chance as whole.So yes,he had his chance,he just did not see us worth suffering and waiting,or his agent whatever same crap.
 
Offside said:
Never seen a player and his former club being talked about together so much. Every time he does something good it is ''United let him go'' and his name can't be mentioned without ''ex Manchester United player'' being put in front of it.
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Exactly, he's in no way associated with us since he left us yet we're still linked with him. With Ronaldo it's acceptable because he was iconic for us. Pogba was barely our player to begin with yet you get the media making it out as if he was some judas version of George Best. His leaving of the club was justified and that happens. That's football. Never saw Arsenal getting so much stick for missing out on Ronaldo when they were inches away from signing him.
 
I seem to remember ac Milan getting a bit of stick when viera started to shine at arsenal... And they got a much better deal than we got for pogba so no surprise we take a bit of stick... We also took stick over platt if I remember when he started scoring a lot at villa.
Similarly I bet city fans grew sick of our tempting giggs from then
It's fairly standard when a world class players leaves your youth / reserve set up for what a few seasons later seems a bargain
 
sun_tzu said:
I seem to remember ac Milan getting a bit of stick when viera started to shine at arsenal... And they got a much better deal than we got for pogba so no surprise we take a bit of stick... We also took stick over platt if I remember when he started scoring a lot at villa.
Similarly I bet city fans grew sick of our tempting giggs from then
It's fairly standard when a world class players leaves your youth / reserve set up for what a few seasons later seems a bargain
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Yeah it's normally and not unique. You can also name Vieiri when he was at Juventus and Pirlo at Inter Milan. Happens all the time.
 
Offside said:
Never seen a player and his former club being talked about together so much. Every time he does something good it is ''United let him go'' and his name can't be mentioned without ''ex Manchester United player'' being put in front of it.
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Well its not that often that a top club with a world class prospect fail to hang onto him just as he is bursting onto the scene, in my opinion.
 
sun_tzu said:
Similarly I bet city fans grew sick of our tempting giggs from then
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To be fair that's very different. Giggs was much, much younger and not on anybody's radar when he signed for us, nor was he contracted to City. You can hardly class it as an error on their part, school kids move clubs all the time.

Pogba was crying out to be in our first team, and rated by pretty much all our supporters as one of our brightest prospects.
 
Sir A1ex said:
You can hardly class it as an error on their part,
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It's not an error on United part either, the club tried to re-sign him for 2 years, he refused. And playing a player who isn't tactically ready isn't the right thing, it sends the wrong message.
 
JPRouve said:
It's not an error on United part either, the club tried to re-sign him for 2 years, he refused. And playing a player who isn't tactically ready isn't the right thing, it sends the wrong message.
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Well, that can be debated, but one way or another we chose a course that led to him going, against the wishes and expectations of most people.

My point is that nobody, including City fans, had heard of Ryan Giggs when he "left" them.
 
Walrus said:
Well its not that often that a top club with a world class prospect fail to hang onto him just as he is bursting onto the scene, in my opinion.
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Good point. Can't think of many.
 
Ramshock said:
There is no doubting Pogbas talent..what is doubt is wether LVG wants him and would the club be willing to admit their huge mistake by buying him back.
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And if Juve will actually sell, and if he wants to come back to England - let alone Manchester (and in a Red Kit).
All in all I think in the balance of probability if the right bid comes in the summer Juve will sell him - but there wont be a shortage of places he could go Real, Chelsea, PSG (who dont seem to care about FFP) would all be options likely to offer similar financial rewards to ourselves and arguably a more attractive place to live as a multi millionaire - plus based on this season you would say they all have a team better that ours as well.
I hope we are in the mix if he does go - and I hope if he does not come to us he does not go to another English club.
 
JPRouve said:
It's not an error on United part either, the club tried to re-sign him for 2 years, he refused. And playing a player who isn't tactically ready isn't the right thing, it sends the wrong message.
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How wasn't he tactically ready? Were park and Rafael tactically ready to play in a midfield two together in the prem?
 
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RooneyLegend said:
How wasn't he tactically ready? Were park and Rafael tactically ready to play in a midfield two together in the prem?
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Pogba at the time was a liability in a midfield two, he had the bad habit to run forward with or without the ball and not comeback, he still does that but a lot less, and in Juventus setup with a midfielder constantly playing deep that's not a huge problem, and for me he is still a midfield three midfielder.
 
JPRouve said:
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Pogba at the time was a liability in a midfield two, he had the bad habit to run forward with or without the ball and not comeback, he still does that but a lot less, and in Juventus setup with a midfielder constantly playing deep that's not a huge problem, and for me he is still a midfield three midfielder.
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He barely played for us so how you came to such conclusions is a mystery to me. He doesn't still do that for gods sake, take it you not one that watches juve much either, decidedly plucking things from thin air.

He can play in any midfield set up as is the vastness of his ability. He attacks as much as he does at Juve cause his role allows him to do so, not cause of some positional indiscipline crap.
 
RooneyLegend said:
He barely played for us so how you came to such conclusions is a mystery to me. He doesn't still do that for gods sake, take it you not one that watches juve much either, decidedly plucking things from thin air.

He can play in any midfield set up as is the vastness of his ability. He attacks as much as he does at Juve cause his role allows him to do so, not cause of some positional indiscipline crap.
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Okay, forget about then.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...s-antonio-conte-hails-paul-pogbas-development
 
RooneyLegend said:
How does saying he developed tactically, equal him not being tactically good enough? Conte himself deemed him good enough in both respects from the beginning hence he got so many minutes in his first Juve season.
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My opinion is only based on watching him regularly, with the u21 for France and for United, and after that for Juventus and France. Pogba has all the qualities to be a great player defensively and offensively.
Now he improved a lot since he joined Juventus and he is still not that good defensively, on consistent basis. When he concentrates himself he is good though.

Now maybe you are right and he didn't improved a lot, maybe you are right and he is now very good defensively.
 
prarek said:
Good point. Can't think of many.
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Actually one player that comes to mind recently is Morata. I heard someone say that Real Madrid have a buy back clause but not sure if its true. I don't know if we were ever in a position to insert such a clause in Pogba's case, probably not.
 
That rumour of us offering money and RvP for him is sadly too good to be true, we never get that lucky.
 
prarek said:
Actually one player that comes to mind recently is Morata. I heard someone say that Real Madrid have a buy back clause but not sure if its true. I don't know if we were ever in a position to insert such a clause in Pogba's case, probably not.
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No, we weren't. We didn't sell him, he left on a free when his contract expired. We had absolutely nothing to do with him when he left because he was no longer our player / employee.
 
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