We can discuss this normally or as you acting as a Pogba cult member. I'm here.
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The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Madrid is not an easy place to go and play either.
Kroos has a 90% pass accuracy all season. If Pogba went there and does what he done here, id give him a season before the fans start getting on him
Look at Hazard and how he was performed.
Then try to be honest. You don't actually think that Mourinho or Pogba or any other player were told that we intended to be a Europa League team at best and nothing else?
You're twisting my words.
I don’t know which industry you work in but I work in tech/comms and in my company management makes promises to employees all the time, which are them reviewed/fulfilled.
Agreed. If he wants to go there fair dos but Madrid will need to splash the cash.
I'm not, I asked you a question.
I would rather him leave than us having to have this Pogba discussion every 6 months. I would rather have players who are hungry and committed to the club than players who want to plot their next move when the going gets tough.
You’ll be hard pressed to find top talent that’s content with sticking with mediocrity for years. Especially when they are coveted by better teams. United will need more than “punch the badge” merchants to get out of this malaise.
this would be amazing if true. don't see it after all the 'too much respect for Ole' comments Raiola said though
I wish this saga was finished. Let him off if he wants to go. Player/s plus cash deal, as long as it suits us.
I do think its the fact Paul isnt the players we thought he is plays into that.
Everything was about bringing the best out of Pogba when he wasnt quite the player to build around. Its held us back for about 18 months at least now.
Not sure about that. If everybody was on Pogba's level we'd never be talking about this.
The fact is the team has struggled because 7/8 or the starting 11 players just aren't up to the level required. Nobody moans about Pogba for France, why is that I wonder?
I'm not sure if I understand. We didn't actually try to build around Pogba, we have been quite erratic and I frankly couldn't tell you what the intent has been and that's what is holding us back. Though I agree that you don't build around Pogba, he is inherently inconsistent and you don't build around that type of players.
We moan about Pogba all the time.
Yeah no. A team isn't one player. If he is holding us back by being injured then the problem is simply the club.
Love the fact he is injured and the conspiracies are out in droves. Hateful people don't deserve United to get good again.
I reckon once Pogba goes and we inevitably get worse or stay just as bad those who irrationally hate Pogba will turn and focus their attention on Martial.
We know the pundits will as they already do. Take the Arsenal game. Tony was nothing to write home about but was better than most especially in the second but the pundits single him out and don't mention Shaw, Lingard, Maguire etc etc etc.
I don't know what causes it but it is a clear pattern.
It seems to be a poisoned chalice to be a non english player with talent at post Fergie United.
In what sense?
Well yesbut we didnt buy 11 Pogbas, we bought a player who we thought could dominate the ball going forward but he turns into a passanger for 90 percent of it.
We used to try and compare him to KDB but look at the way he prowls around the pitch. Thats who we thought we would buy but now we need more creativity in midfield because Paul isnt quite it.
Paul isnt someone to build around but its 90m too late now. Hes more of a supplement to a side.
Who thought that? certainly not people who watched him at Juve.
Pogba was supposed to be cherry on the cake, the problem is we don't have a cake. No surprise his best season for us with was Carrick and Ibra in the team.
Then we're in a complete agreement.
It's only a saga because people have let it become one in their head as it's Pogba and if you saw the prematch conference, it was the journalist that was desperately trying to make a story about it in his questioning to Ole. They can't fathom him actually having an injury and rather delve into really convoluted conspiracy theories. Baily, Dalot, Fosu-Mensah, McTomminay - all have had injuries but, not once has been postulated they are faking it and the club is hiding things.
Do you think anyone of these people that are so watchful of Pogba, making a big deal about him not being at a game and how much of virus he is not being there being a cheerleader with pom poms on have ever noticed how all these other injured players have not been always at training or at games. Dalot himself has been "globe trotting" but, no drama on it because it doesn't suit a narrative.
Pogba is not the only player to have been out a long time, come back and something happen right after. Happened to Zlatan on his return. Somehow though because it's an ankle and not a knee, and it's Pogba and not someone else, people are finding it a lot more plausible it's just some big scheme.
For me it doesn't make any sense, it's a player injured and no actual saga. Doesn't make sense to me that a footballer that loves to be on the pitch, in the prime of his career, with the Euros coming around, is willing to sit out for months, get surgery done - when every surgery, even the simplest one poses a risk to end a career just so he can get a move. That coupled with a club that stands to lose millions if they can't get into the top 4 and lose millions on a transfer deal because they let the player just sit on the sidelines and will go along with whatever story player and agent say.
That he was by far and away their best midfielder in the world cup. Matched Kante for defensive work and was vital in winning multiple game. Was a top tournament by him.
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You're seeing things. And if you think this is so bad I wonder how he'll get on in Madrid...
Best midfielder in the world cup?
Yeah that didn't happen.
All of them. His inconsistency, his decision making when under pressure, some are always complaining about his look, in general pretty much the same things than with United. It has only diminished with the prominence of Griezmann, Kanté and Mbappé because he isn't seen the "new Zidane" anymore but it still comes back like after the Turkey game in June.
Better than here cause he wont be playing for a club that has no interest in football. And that is what our fans should be channeling their energy into but they are too blind.
Anyone who complains about a players look has an opinion worth absolutely nothing.
Did he even make into the combined team of the tournament?
Nice generalizations. So those who don't like him or think his career at United wasn't very good think everything is great at the club. It's all black and white?
Fair enough.
Well I think most people know Pogba has his flaws by now, but he's an inconsistent genius. Similarly to Ozil I feel, they're players that aren't always perfect but when on form can blow anybody.
For me we will always be better with Pogba in the side - but I do think the recent injuries / suspicious timing is leaving an undesired taste.
If we could guarantee to replace him with similar quality then i'd be OK with him leaving, but I just don't trust us to replace him adequately. It'll be Sean Longstaff and his little rat bastard brother.
Sir Alex opinion as well?
Well this is what I don't want to have to read. This could have been put in one small Paragraph, which is what annoys me every time I come on here. I'm just fed up of Pogba Pogba Pogba.
That’s incorrect, a player who gets an injury isn’t necessarily a liability, any player can get an injury. That’s especially true given he hasn’t been injury prone before.
Nobody here saw him. That always stuck with me, nobody knew what type of player he was and posts on here were getting referenced in other forums asking did we ever see him play despite only having him 3 years prior.
Its why we had two years of arguments about his best position. Hell we still dont know
This post is bang on and applies to a lot of our fans too.
If he’s pulling a fast one and making the most of it he’s definitely a liability.
Nope but no midfielder was being a top consistent player at this UNited. Not De Bruyne not anyone. The team has been shite. Even then Pogba hasn't been half as bad as people say. Also, none would want to stick around either. Would you?
They just hate him. It is simple really. We got a million worse players. And so many of the things used to beat POgba with have ended up being a non-story disproven later.
Like wheres the hate for Matic, He was injured all season and talks about wanting to leave and likes posts about it on social media constantly. Was he faking an injury. Is he a virus. Is he everything wrong with the club. Will selling Matic be the magic fix. Was he holding us back?
Have some consistency at least.
But yeah I stand by my other comment. End of the day this is insignificant. Pogba doesn't matter. Whether he stays or goes. Neither will fix us. Neither will make us a good football team.
And there isn't much that would. Maybe we could be good again with the Glazers if Ed goes. But even then I doubt it. Look at there NFL team, we are a carbon copy of what happened to them. So at the end of the day all this energy put into Pogba was and is a colossal waste of time and a colossal disservice because pundits like Neville talk like he is some major problem that once sorted United can turn things around. But surely even you agree there is no evidence for that? We don't truly look interested in turning things around or rebuilding.
And while it sucks as none of us asked for this the fans are certainly culpable in it as they put next to no pressure on arguably the worst owners in world football when you consider are resources. Some might say but but we tried protesting before and it didn't work. True but isn't it much better to have your voice heard and have the media covering it every week than what we currently have. Maybe 5 or 6 years of continual protesting could do us some good. Maybe not but hey we know silence does nothing.
Frances. Modric was the best midfielder but Pogba was top. No need to revise history.
Didn’t make the best 11 even though they won the thing so maybe your revising history a tad.
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