Anyone got a clip of that run?
6
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 47
- Goals
- 16
- Assists
- 14
- Yellow cards
- 7
- Red cards
- 1
- Status
This seems to be the standard comment after any great pass ever player by anyone. From my recollection, Scholes didn’t create anywhere near as many chances as Pogba or have the kind of assist ratio he has. Pogba is the most creative passer we have had at the club in my lifetime, unless we are considering Becks’ crossing. No central player has opened up teams as often as him, Rooney and Scholes were more cross-field specialists.
Another strong performance. We need to bring midfield options in so he can get opportunities to rest, even if it's just coming off at 70 minutes gone if we're winning.
If he gets too fatigued we might be in trouble.
If he gets too fatigued we might be in trouble.
Even better is you knew exactly what his intention was at the end of it given he did the same thing against Arsenal. Not just aimless running. Awesome stuff.
Good game from him, hopefully the injury is not serious.
That run was a mark of a world class player, it took so much pressure off of us. He is such a talent
With a proper RW, CB and one very attacking fullback he (and the entire team) would be very difficult to play against. If we use this summer transfer wisely we will be challenging for titles next season.
World class. We need to keep him fit for the next 10 games, by far our best outfield player.
That's part of it but I've also noticed him making first time passes back to the defenders just like Herrera does so he doesn't get caught with the ball, you noticed that?
It has cut down his habit of trying to shield the ball against 4 players while he's added that gliding run from deep where no one seems to be able to touch him
More of the gliding run and less of the shielding act please..
Playing so well and he is not even 100% fit
Must have the most for a central midfielder in Europe’s top five leagues, surely.
Also, as another poster said, we need to rest him against Fulham but I'd have him on the bench just in case..
Yup. One good summer from everyone (Glazers, Woodward & rest of the board plus manager) could do wonders but actions needs to be taken, not to mention preparations for convincing targets to join, so we can finally avoid Griezmann situation.
Wasting best years of Pogba and not providing him players to play with would be a crime. Same goes to De Gea who needs a proper defense in achieving complete greatness.
It'll be so frustrating if we dont recruit properly this summer as the deficiencies in our squad are blatantly obvious. Even if we just get a CB and RW we'll be in muh better shape, but I feel as though we need a RB and backup for Matic as well. We have the money, Woodie needs to get the DOF in asap and lets get going!
I’m a bit worried about burnout because we need him to play all the time. Should look at having him on the bench against Fulham, surely we’d be ok resting him for that game.
As others have said, I'm also worried about burnout. He's also starting to come in for some very rough treatment and I think referees let a lot of it go because he's so powerful. OGS should take a cue from Pep and publicly call on refs to protect his player.
Very good today and a sublime assist for the winner.
Yep. Scholes was great, not for creating, but for being a constant presence in possession. Give it to Scholes and he would find a passing option to retain possession. It's very important when wanting to dominate a game and it's something we currently lack.
This is something I've stressed too. We're just wasting the primes of these talents. It's very difficult to get players with that level of class. It would be a shame if we just settle.
I know it won't happen, but getting de Ligt and Sancho would be amazing. To balance the financial side of it, we should be integrating Tuanzebe, Gomes, Greenwood, etc... into the side to save money.
Last edited:
This is what worries me. His powerhouse style of play might be dangerous for him to do it without rest.
Yesterday he almost twisted his ankle after that stupid challenge by Evans.
Looks so knackered, we should rest him against Fulham.
Yesterday he almost twisted his ankle after that stupid challenge by Evans.
Looks so knackered, we should rest him against Fulham.
There is no better midfielder in the world right now.
Why does he amble about defensively and then suddenly explode into life when the ball is at his feet at the end of games?...
Come on Paul...
Come on Paul...
Imagine peak Scholes (the CM one and not the advanced one) playing with the current Pogba.
20 goals + assists in 29 games, 120 mins per G+A is just amazing for a midfielder. It's very good numbers even for pure attackers, for a midfielder to have those numbers is just brilliant.
I think we'd have to seriously consider playing 4-2-3-1:
Martial-Rashford-Lukaku/Lingard/Sanchez
--------Mata/Lingard----
-----Matic-----Herrera--
since I'm not sure I see a route to creating chances otherwise. We also need to sign another creative midfielder of some kind to get us to another chance creator and also so we're not just barren when Pogba is out. I think it might take precedence over a DM since Herrera can get his minutes as a 6 when Matic doesn't play:
Pogba/Fred-------CM/Herrera
---------Herrera/Matic--------
looks strong for next year as long as the CM is a consistent chance creating type.
I don’t think he was great in this game. But yet his 7/10 looks like getting a goal or assist EVERY game that’s how good he is. He gave the ball away quite a lot but had some magical passes too.
I dread to think how we’ll cope without him
I dread to think how we’ll cope without him
I don’t think it was ‘quite a lot’. Think it was 2 or 3 times. In general, I think he kept possession very well in circumstances where many would have lost it. Due to his technical ability he can resist the pressure.
Our best player by a country mile. Then De Gea. Then the country mile, again.
Was fishing for this post of mine back in August, where I wanted him gone.
After having seen what he can do under a manager who lets him do what he wants, I've decided to take back my opinion. He is unplayable when he cares and infuriating when he doesn't, so lets do everything we can to make him care.
Yes he needs a break. He's been really clocking up the mileage. Leave him at home this weekend and have him fresh for PSG. Mata can deputise his role
People had the audacity to call me clueless when i said Pogba was a better passer than Scholes.
Im glad someone else has said it.
Fully agree with this post.
Not the best quality video but skip to 3.50 onwards. Scholes was way more than just a sideways passer. Maybe towards the end when his legs went and sat deeper he utilised the wings more, but he was fantastic at splitting defences also. Pogba is definitely up with him, but don't underrate just how good he was at pretty much everything.
Better is probably the wrong term to use. Just as good in quality, but less consistent at short passing for sure.
Don’t get me wrong, of course he created goals. I just don’t think he was as prolific as Pogba, and nowhere on a level where we need to be looking at Pogba assists and saying ‘Scholes would be proud’. Like, that’s what Pogba does. Every game. And some of his passes are totally outrageous.
For me, he’s a better passer than Scholes, good as Scholes was. Scholes probably gave the ball away a bit less over shorter distance, as sometimes Pogba gets a little sloppy with it. That said, in terms of chance creation, I do think Scholes assists were a bit less ‘outrageous’, although he did create a few with real magic too. Also, any pass he could make, Pogba can make with his left foot for good measure.
As we’re enjoying videos. And this doesn’t include the last couple month’s specials.
I think Pogba is definitely on that level for sure. They're both my favourite players at United, so i'm totally in agreement about Pogba being fantastic, but Scholes was genuinely world class 8/10 every game, the team was obviously setup more to be about wingplay which is probably why we saw less "fancy" assists. Anyway, how lucky we are to have Pogba in this form!
I shudder to think what would have happened if Mourinho was here any longer. Pogba and Martial potentially gone
thank god Woodward put his foot down.I think Pogba is definitely on that level for sure. They're both my favourite players at United, so i'm totally in agreement about Pogba being fantastic, but Scholes was genuinely world class 8/10 every game, the team was obviously setup more to be about wingplay which is probably why we saw less "fancy" assists. Anyway, how lucky we are to have Pogba in this form!
I shudder to think what would have happened if Mourinho was here any longer. Pogba and Martial potentially gone
I think Pogba has massively suffered reputation wise due to the era in which he is playing for us. He isn’t perfect. But he’s sensational, and has been on the most part since he re-joined us, not just 6 weeks ago. I think the key difference is 6 weeks ago we became a good team that actually wins games. As a result, everyone is seen as a good player again. Our defenders are being praised etc.
I re-watch older games on MUTV all the time. Retired players from successful eras are remembered as YouTube compilations of perfection. The weaknesses in their games doesn’t matter in the history books. I’ve said before, but there is a massive and disproportionate emphasis on the things Pogba can’t do well, especially considering how much he CAN do very well.
Look at this goal on 02:06 for example:
Souness may have a cardiac arrest if Pogba ‘defended’ like that. Ultimately, Scholes played in a midfield two and couldn’t really defend but it didn’t matter as we didn’t have a particular problem with conceding goals. If we did, it may have been a bigger criticism, as opposed to some topic of giggles that ‘he couldn’t really tackle’.
In my personal opinion, I think Pogba is a better player than Scholes. If things continue for him and the team in the manner they have gone in the last 6 weeks, I don’t think there would be much argument. Him getting his full appreciation is largely contingent on us winning things, the same with the rest of our players. This is why people think Luka Modric is a better footballer, in my opinion, although I’m never having that personally. I reckon if we had won 3 CLsnin a row, nobody else would be having it either. Same for Kroos.
Apparently the cafe does not like that side of his game being pointed out. Part of the reason we are never convincing in big games. Matic looses his legs and energy and he falls back playing as a extra defender but still he contributes in our own penalty areas, while pogba is half arsed and moody doing that side of the game, Herrera can't do it alone and we see the whole team dropping so deep as a result .
Pogba's physical qualities give him the ability to drive through a midfield like Scholes/Xavi/Modric never could, but he can still pass just as good as those which is what makes him quite so special.
I think the problem is when he has a stinker, he's REALLY off the boil. People like to see consistency with midfielders, but he was great in the 1st season with Mourinho, he only really started playing poorly when their relationship went stale. He's obviously a man that has to be happy to be at his best, and Mourinho was doing his best to upset him for some reason.
I also think his natural game is to move forward straight away, so using him in the AMC role lets him do that with little worry of losing the ball. In CM you need to knit the passing together with ball work rather than carrying it forward, as if you lose the ball you're in real trouble of a counter. This is something Pogba struggled to balance sometimes.
Let's be honest though Pogba is more Zidane than Xavi, so using him in AMC was the right thing all along. No coincidence we see his best there.
- Status