Seems weird then that United spent 89m on an icing, seeing as the cake itself wasn't ready (according to the caf), so icing wasn't required, yet
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But we bought the best icing available, now we are just waiting for the cake to get baked.
Am I doing this right?
International football? I know many top players who are not a shining light for their countries.
*this;
Fun fact: he made his Manchester United debut five years ago today.
We would.
That's basically what most did with Firmino last season.Then over time he adapted to the league and the naysayers were nowhere to be heard.
Needs to be our most advanced midfielder.Basically with him in the team we don't need to play a 10.
This. He can also operate on the left hand side if he needs more space or the center is crowded. He needs the right set up and it's time Mourinho plays to his strengths. Basically, give him a free role
That does require the rest of the midfield to be super organized and disciplined, however.
Blind and Herrera can be that. Fellaini can't
Ditto Ozil. Basically it's fairly standard for even very talented footballers to take a season to be at their best. It's also standard for football fans to decide they'll never hack it after their first few poor games.
Standard to pretend thereafter that they never doubted.
It's not just in England.Modric really struggled when he got to Spain and now is probably the best midfielder in that league.
Pogba will be fine.It's an adaption period.
It's understandable to dance on the graves of other club's expensive signings prematurely but bizarre when people won't show their own club's latest signings a bit more patience.
"I do not know this word" the Caf said.
It's been a slow start, but it is true that players who've had summer tournament take time to get back into their form.
And that's before you throw in a move to a different country, for a huge team that is pretty much in complete transition!
Plus that tiny factor he's in a different position.
So personally, i'm not too worried about him. Much more worried about that general lack of a pattern of play, Rooney, and the wide players.
And that's before you throw in a move to a different country, for a huge team that is pretty much in complete transition!
Plus that tiny factor he's in a different position.
So personally, i'm not too worried about him. Much more worried about that general lack of a pattern of play, Rooney, and the wide players.
He hasn't even been "poor" in my eyes anyway, I just think people expected some kind of Messi performances that he's not really capable of yet.
He has been good in possession and we've rarely lost a midfield battle yet apart from against city (tactical issue)
He's carried the ball forward well but the lack of movement/link up from our forwards has left him a little lost, he's ended up resorting to having to hit pot shots which haven't been his best.
I feel that as a team we really lack balance and understanding, but once it all comes together we will see the best of him.
So far though I hardly think he's been poor, just fairly average. Hasn't pulled up any trees but he has improved us so far.
We definitely need to take him off the leash though, let him use his running and power positively without the worry of losing the ball. a 4/3/3 with more room in the 10 and forwards that keep the width is desperately required.
He has been good in possession and we've rarely lost a midfield battle yet apart from against city (tactical issue)
He's carried the ball forward well but the lack of movement/link up from our forwards has left him a little lost, he's ended up resorting to having to hit pot shots which haven't been his best.
I feel that as a team we really lack balance and understanding, but once it all comes together we will see the best of him.
So far though I hardly think he's been poor, just fairly average. Hasn't pulled up any trees but he has improved us so far.
We definitely need to take him off the leash though, let him use his running and power positively without the worry of losing the ball. a 4/3/3 with more room in the 10 and forwards that keep the width is desperately required.
Herrera is in no way more disciplined than Fellaini.
Agreed. He's been alright (apart from his debut when he was excellent) and unlucky not to score.
If that 30 yarder that hit the bar vs Watford had gone in we could be talking about him in a completely different way. The fee was always going to make him an easy target for media, rival fans and even our fans.
What I see is a player who's clearly suited to the league, slightly low in confidence and things just aren't quite coming off. When they do he will prove his worth.
What I see is a player who's clearly suited to the league, slightly low in confidence and things just aren't quite coming off. When they do he will prove his worth.
He's 23, you would expect an £89m signing to make an immediate impact but you have to consider the age and the fact that he did not have any pre-season, he's basically at the same point in his training that most players were at in early August.
Still, with the transfer fee so high, giving some time to fit in isn't something you can really give to a player regardless of the age.
But that's absurd. In terms of needing proper prepaeation there is no difference between £5m and £50m player.
That doesn't really make any sense
Knowing how much it cost to buy Pobga, when would be an appropriate time for him to start performing well enough that makes you think he worth every penny? 2 months in? Halfway the season? Or perhaps next season? If Man Utd acquired Messi when he was 23, don't you expect him to score a goal from the game one despite if he had the time to prepare or not. Or will you be happy still?
Thank you for being very spiteful & attacking me on very personal level. Good to know that you are a hatemonger because you & I don't agree on something.
And who's fault is it that he didn't have a full pre-season ?
He could have had a week or two of holiday, just like the rest of us who have to go to work each day, and then got back into pre-season training.
Instead, he was farting around in America while his pimp was blackmailing everyone - Juve, RM and ourselves.
No excuse / sympathy from me with that one....
He could have had a week or two of holiday, just like the rest of us who have to go to work each day, and then got back into pre-season training.
Instead, he was farting around in America while his pimp was blackmailing everyone - Juve, RM and ourselves.
No excuse / sympathy from me with that one....
You only get 2 weeks holiday a year?
Didn't all the Euro finalists arrive back at there clubs at around the same time?
Griezmann - 8th August
http://en.clubatleticodemadrid.com/galerias/griezmann-is-back
Pogba - 12th August
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ester-United-training-Bournemouth-news-gossip
Ronaldo and Pepe - 10th August
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/ronaldo-and-pepe-back-training-madrid
Not these days - I'm retired, Thank God.
But how many people get or are allowed four consecutive weeks holiday when their employer is desperate for them to start work on a new project ??
Pre season isn't the issue, anyone who has watched Pogba would not be surprised by his performances. Based on performance before he got here he no where near worth 89 million, I said that when we were linked. There were better suited midfielders we could have purchased for less money. He shined for Juventus because 90% they were the better team with the stronger midfield which controlled the game and asked him to wreak havoc. He should stick to that now. He just seems to be trying too much so he's popping up all over the place 6,4,8,10 and when he does get on the ball he does too much at times when the simpler option makes more sense. I'm confident he will come through but his from thus far just highlights the growth he still needs as a player.
A player needs a holiday after a long, hard season, that included the Euro's as well. It would be to our benefit as well.
The moment the deal was signed, he joined training. A few days with Juve wouldn't have changed much.
How many people have jobs that need their bodies in great condition? He played over 65 games last season. Allowing him to have that down time will only pay dividends later on in the season and in his career.
It's important mentally as well. It doesn't matter how motivated he might be to play for us, it's good to switch off for a while and refocus. Same for any job.
When he hits form. Could be now, could be in three months, could be next season. When you buy a 23-year old it's a long term investment.
I buy that logic, but with £89 million price tag? Not anynore.
It doesn't make a difference to me whether he cost £89m or £10m. He is still a 23-year old player who had to go into season without any preparation.
Except it does because when you invest so much, you expect a player in return that is good enough to have an impact straight away. Pogba hasn't just been average, he's been flat out poor.
Martial joined a dysfunctional team as a 19 year old and managed to have an impact straight away as well. Save for his first game, Pogba has been the exact opposite.
What if you buy a player who is injured and out for 3 months at the time of transfer? Do you also expect that a £89m transfer fee will immediately heal him and he makes impact from the beginning?
Martial had a full preseason and played for Monaco before the transfer. Pogba came back from holidays and was playing for United a few days later
Its not the lack of pre season that's stopping him from performing to the levels that are expected. Even if they're playing a part, it wont be too much of a factor.
The transfer fee reflects the players' value in the transfer market. A core aspect of a player's value are his footballing abilities. A player worth a fee of 10 million obviously doesn't have the abilities of a player worth 89 million. Hence you can expect a player worth 89 million to at least have the impact of an average player. Nobody is asking Pogba to perform on his highest level, but given his abilities, one can expect him to perform on the level of an average player, which he hasn't done. He had a good start against Southampton and has been on a decline ever since.
Your analogy is poor because the value of a player that is reflected in his transfer fee doesn't include super healing powers.
N'Golo Kante only joined Chelsea onthe 29th of July for his first training session, which is just a little over a week before Pogba joined our training, yet Kante has been very good for Chelsea according to Chelsea fans.
I can understand a poor start in the first couple of games because you have to get accustomed to the manager's tactics and return to proper footballing shape, but it's been several games since and for him, the trend is going down rather than up.
Martial's first game came on September the 12th because he only joined us at the beginning of September. He may have had more footballing training beforehand, but he was hardly familiar with our tactics.
Ultimately, all of this is not to say that he wasn't worth his money or that he'll be a flop. I firmly believe he'll be a success here. But there's no reason to excuse his performances so far and claim his transfer fee is irrelevant.
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