[Adam-Utd]

He hasn't even been bad to be honest. He's offering much more to our midfield than the past lot selected have. It's just a shame that the forwards against Feyenoord had no real protection and weren't playing their best.

I feel like he tried to take the game and force it for us, he definitely turned the tide in the 2nd half but he ended up dribbling into blind alleys. He's probably used to having more movement ahead of him so it's not a surprise.

Hopefully we don't go back to 4-2-3-1 against Watford as it's much easier for him to carry the ball if he's got protection behind him. He and Martial could work out a great partnership over time I am sure.

 

[Ban]

Of course, it could all be a wonderful plan by Pogba's agent Raiola - tell him to go to United for a year for a huge price.....play well but not too well, sulk, blame the manager for things and be shipped out next summer at a much cheaper rate to RM. Pogba wins, Raiola lines his pockets even more and RM get him cheaper than they would this summer....

I love intrigue....

Sounds fabulous. Like a fairy tale. Bad fairy tale on our part.

 

[jetlee]

For me the big disappointment that people show here comes from one thing: during all the creaming over the whole summer certain people made Pogba out to be something that he definitely is not, a consistently delivering machine and a complete midfield player.
I was talking with a huge Juve fan the other day and even he said that Pogba basically coasted through whole games without any sort of impact, only to be the best player on the pitch the next time.
The potential is definitely there for him to be the best but there's work to be done, and some people were tricked into believing that is not the case.

 

[kouroux]

For me the big disappointment that people show here comes from one thing: during all the creaming over the whole summer certain people made Pogba out to be something that he definitely is not, a consistently delivering machine and a complete midfield player.
I was talking with a huge Juve fan the other day and even he said that Pogba basically coasted through whole games without any sort of impact, only to be the best player on the pitch the next time.
The potential is definitely there for him to be the best but there's work to be done, and some people were tricked into believing that is not the case.

People weren't tricked I think, they were just stupid.

 

[fezzerUTD]

Jesus christ the over reaction to Pogba so far has been insane. He has played 5 games and people are writing him off already, give the guy a break.

Its not his fault he costs so much money and also not his fault hes been thrown straight into the starting 11 and made to produce without being able to have a pre season to ease into the side.

The biggest mistakes made with Pogba have been from the manager (who also is getting a lot of unwarranted abuse already after 5 games!), Jose should have eased him into the side at the start and let him build his fitness and confidence. Also should play him in a midfield 3 and stop him from trying to win the game alone. He feels the responsibility and at least he is because some others on thursday night were terrible and spineless.

On Jose, he is tinkering and looking at players, he will find the formula, it just wont happen over night.

 

[JPRouve]

People weren't tricked I think, they were just stupid.

Nonsense, it's Deschamps's fault.

 

[Speak]

The term 'written off' really needs to be blocked. Apparently expressing an opinion that a player has been a underwhelming (talking about the past) equates to 'writing him off' (talking about the future)

And weird how none of the 'you're all knee jerk' crew had a problem with people being 'knee jerk' when the 'Darmian is quality/Darmian is the best left back in the league' crap was being posted after 2 games...
Or when Mkhitaryan was clearly amazing after playing Wigan...

 

[Speak]

It's not too different to Di Maria.
He was never Juventus' main man. He's now being expected to be the main man and probably isn't suited to it.

Just like Di Maria last season, he'd already look great and have a few highlight reel moments in France after two or three games for the dominant PSG, surrounded by the leagues best players, who he can support rather than lead.

So the club basically spent £89 million on a player who'll probably never lead a team, but could be a great support cast under the right circumstances and with good enough team mates.

Hmmm...

 

[Sam M]

It's not too different to Di Maria.
He was never Juventus' main man. He's now being expected to be the main man and probably isn't suited to it.

Just like Di Maria last season, he'd already look great and have a few highlight reel moments in France after two or three games for the dominant PSG, surrounded by the leagues best players, who he can support rather than lead.

So the club basically spent £89 million on a player who'll probably never lead a team, but could be a great support cast under the right circumstances and with good enough team mates.

Hmmm...

Hmmm, Interesting how you assume the worst case scenario after 4 games, for a player without a pre - season. Now, I know patience and perspective is a foreign virtue on these boards, but this is really crazy stuff.

 

[kouroux]

Nonsense, it's Deschamps's fault.

Probably yeah.

 

[Speak]

Hmmm, Interesting how you assume the worst case scenario after 4 games, for a player without a pre - season. Now, I know patience and perspective is a foreign virtue on these boards, but this is really crazy stuff.

Nothing I posted is crazy. its almost like you just wanted to post that and couldnt wait for an appropriate post to respond to.

Some players are leaders, some are supporters. Pogba, like Di Maria, is a supporter. And that has nothig to do with these four games or any worst case scenario. The reality is that despite the huge fee, Pogba still needs star men around him.
People are naive if they expect him to turn into a leader out of nowhere.

I'd go as far as to say that if Pogba is your main man, it doesnt bode well for your team. Much like Di Maria or Ozil.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

I don't know why I bother reading this thread its insane, people think he's going to win every game alone... He's a quality player but needs a bit of time and patience as all players do, remember ronaldo getting slated at first for just being a skill merchant.

 

[JPRouve]

Nothing I posted is crazy. its almost like you just wanted to post that and couldnt wait for an appropriate post to respond to.

Some players are leaders, some are supporters. Pogba, like Di Maria, is a supporter. And that has nothig to do with these four games or any worst case scenario. The reality is that despite the huge fee, Pogba still needs star men around him.
People are naive if they expect him to turn into a leader out of nowhere.

I'd go as far as to say that if Pogba is your main man, it doesnt bode well for your team. Much like Di Maria or Ozil.

Pogba is 23 that's young for a CM. So it's not naive to hope or even predict that he will/could become more than a top class support player but it's true that he isn't a game manager like Scholes said, Pogba can transform a random action into a great opportunity but he can't influence the actual course of a game like Scholes, Xavi or Iniesta could/can, at least not yet.

 

[Sam M]

Nothing I posted is crazy. its almost like you just wanted to post that and couldnt wait for an appropriate post to respond to.

Some players are leaders, some are supporters. Pogba, like Di Maria, is a supporter. And that has nothig to do with these four games or any worst case scenario. The reality is that despite the huge fee, Pogba still needs star men around him.
People are naive if they expect him to turn into a leader out of nowhere.

I'd go as far as to say that if Pogba is your main man, it doesnt bode well for your team. Much like Di Maria or Ozil.

Pogba is Pogba, not di maria, or oezil (he's better than both), he will be a big payer for the club, much to your distaste.
aren't you that guy who has admitted he doesn't even care/support the club anymore? Why are you still here wumming, and placing a negative spin on everything the club does? You've admitted you don't care for the club anymore, but many still do, so your sly, constant digs is irritating and unwanted.

 

[Varun]

For me the big disappointment that people show here comes from one thing: during all the creaming over the whole summer certain people made Pogba out to be something that he definitely is not, a consistently delivering machine and a complete midfield player.
I was talking with a huge Juve fan the other day and even he said that Pogba basically coasted through whole games without any sort of impact, only to be the best player on the pitch the next time.
The potential is definitely there for him to be the best but there's work to be done, and some people just watched youtube vids instead of full matches.

Fixed that for you.

It's not too different to Di Maria.
He was never Juventus' main man. He's now being expected to be the main man and probably isn't suited to it.

Just like Di Maria last season, he'd already look great and have a few highlight reel moments in France after two or three games for the dominant PSG, surrounded by the leagues best players, who he can support rather than lead.

So the club basically spent £89 million on a player who'll probably never lead a team, but could be a great support cast under the right circumstances and with good enough team mates.

Hmmm...

We dont need him to be our leader. Neither are we looking at him to be our main man. What we need is to give him a role he's good at and the reason we paid a huge fee for him and then he needs to step up and perform. If we persist playing him in a 2 man midfield, lets pray he develops abilities he's never shown because he's never worth the money we spent in that role.

 

[Speak]

Pogba is Pogba, not di maria, or oezil (he's better than both), he will be a big payer for the club, much to your distaste.
aren't you that guy who has admitted he doesn't even care/support the club anymore? Why are you still here wumming, and placing a negative spin on everything the club does? You've admitted you don't care for the club anymore, but many still do, so your sly, constant digs is irritating and unwanted.

Totally debatable if he's better than either Di Maria or Ozil.

I never said he wouldn't be a 'big player.'
Di Maria was a 'big player' for Madrid, but it didn't change the fact hat he wasn't/isnt a main man and needed better players to feed and support. And unless Pogba undergoes a huge/rare change, he'll also remain a support player.
Every team needs them, so no idea why it's such a difficult thing to hear/read.

As for the rest, I'm not here to wum, but to give my opinion. It may not be positive or fit with yours, but you'll have to get over it or just block me.

 

[Speak]

Fixed that for you.



We dont need him to be our leader. Neither are we looking at him to be our main man. What we need is to give him a role he's good at and the reason we paid a huge fee for him and then he needs to step up and perform. If we persist playing him in a 2 man midfield, lets pray he develops abilities he's never shown because he's never worth the money we spent in that role.

Its just that for £89 million, you'd expect a match winner with a history (of sorts) of leading a team.
Hence people now being dissapointed that he's not leading the team in any way.

People arent expecting him to score every game, but they'll expect him to be the main man. And it's debatable if he's actually main man material.

Which is similar to Di Maria or Ozil, which is why I brought them up.
I dont see a team with Pogba as it's star player being particularly great.

 

[Sam M]

Totally debatable if he's better than either Di Maria or Ozil.

I never said he wouldn't be a 'big player.'
Di Maria was a 'big player' for Madrid, but it didn't change the fact hat he wasn't/isnt a main man and needed better players to feed and support. And unless Pogba undergoes a huge/rare change, he'll also remain a support player.
Every team needs them, so no idea why it's such a difficult thing to hear/read.

As for the rest, I'm not here to wum, but to give my opinion. It may not be positive or fit with yours, but you'll have to get over it or just block me.

just going through your posting history, EVERY single post is either a put down on the club, fans, players or staff, it's all part of this cosy narrative of how you've transcended the foolish nick hornby esque football supporter like the rest of us are.
You're no manchester united fan, you're here to wum, and you will be picked out and banned soon enough.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

This was always going to happen. 90M will mean he will have to put in an 8/10 performance every game, otherwise people will question him.

That said, if we want to get the best out of him, then Mourinho will need to play to his strengths. We must build the team around him. Pogba needs width, runners, hard workers next to him, etc. No point spending all that money if we're not going to put in players that compliment him.

 

[Speak]

just going through your posting history, EVERY single post is either a put down on the club, fans, players or staff, it's all part of this cosy narrative of how you've transcended the foolish nick hornby esque football supporter like the rest of us are.
You're no manchester united fan, you're here to wum, and you will be picked out and banned soon enough.

Not true. Every post for a while has probably had a negative spin, because I feel more negatively towards the club than before.
But the majority of my posts have not been as you describe.

How about you adress my points on Pogba rather than my posting history?

 

[JPRouve]

Its just that for £89 million, you'd expect a match winner with a history (of sorts) of leading a team.
Hence people now being dissapointed that he's not leading the team in any way.

People arent expecting him to score every game, but they'll expect him to be the main man. And it's debatable if he's actually main man material.

Which is similar to Di Maria or Ozil, which is why I brought them up.
I dont see a team with Pogba as it's star player being particularly great.

Pogba was Juventus's star, he was a match winner but he wasn't their main man because it is a team without main man, it was a genuine team not an ensemble of individualities.
And what you described is applicable to Bale and Neymar, extremely expensive players who are also match winners but aren't main men, they are still worth every penny. But they need a solid team around them.

 

[Varun]

Its just that for £89 million, you'd expect a match winner with a history (of sorts) of leading a team.
Hence people now being dissapointed that he's not leading the team in any way.

People arent expecting him to score every game, but they'll expect him to be the main man. And it's debatable if he's actually main man material.

Which is similar to Di Maria or Ozil, which is why I brought them up.
I dont see a team with Pogba as it's star player being particularly great.

I wouldn't expect that at all. We're buying a midfielder for his footballing ability, not paying to get a war general. If he has leadership qualities, great, if he doesn't, meh. In any case, expecting a kid to lead a club as big as ours, that too when he's played a handful of games and alongside players like Rooney and Ibra is just weird to me.

Again, unless you're a Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar level player, I don't think you can be THE main man at a club as huge as ours and neither should it be the case.

Seriously, he's a kid who's just joined a new club which also has experienced pros like Rooney and Ibra and you're complaining he's not become a leader or a the main man etc etc. Let's just expect him to play as a top CM and help us win games?

 

[PedroMendez]

For me the big disappointment that people show here comes from one thing: during all the creaming over the whole summer certain people made Pogba out to be something that he definitely is not, a consistently delivering machine and a complete midfield player.
I was talking with a huge Juve fan the other day and even he said that Pogba basically coasted through whole games without any sort of impact, only to be the best player on the pitch the next time.
The potential is definitely there for him to be the best but there's work to be done, and some people were tricked into believing that is not the case.

The same happened with Mata, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Herrera, Depay, Di Maria and Rojo in the post-Fergie era. Fans go completely overboard and pretend to know players, that they clearly never watched for more than 2 games. With Pogba it is just particularly extreme, because he is a natural highlight player. If you just watch his youtube-compilations you might think he is up there with Messi. He was already overhyped, when he wasn´t linked to us.

 

[Sam M]

Not true. Every post for a while has probably had a negative spin, because I feel more negatively towards the club than before.
But the majority of my posts have not been as you describe.

How about you adress my points on Pogba rather than my posting history?

You feel negativley towards the club because you have no affiliation towards it - as admitted to by yourself, you may as well be like that arsenal plant pretending to be a charlton fan in regards to your feelings towards manchester united.

as for paul (yes, I am calling him by is first name and I don't even know the fella' - football fans are stupid eh) he is a unusually talented player whose skillset is unique, put him in the centre of the midfield and you'll get a wonderfully dynamic and courageous player - if that makes him a support act so be it

 

[Speak]

This was always going to happen. 90M will mean he will have to put in an 8/10 performance every game, otherwise people will question him.

That said, if we want to get the best out of him, then Mourinho will need to play to his strengths. We must build the team around him. Pogba needs width, runners, hard workers next to him, etc. No point spending all that money if we're not going to put in players that compliment him.

Its always risky to build a team around a player who's never been successfully built around. It can work, but it's risky.
Going from being a player who supports to the guy who is expected to deliver at the top level surely isnt easy.

And it's not just down to talent.
We saw with Di Maria that when the onus was on him and he was the go-to guy, he buckled. And people hyped Di Maria every bit as much as Pogba.

It would make more sense to sign a better player than Pogba than to sign runners and hard workers who essentially add to the reliance on Pogba. In my opinion.

 

[Varun]

@Sam M Stick to the topic and discuss Speak's posts rather than him.

 

[Speak]

Pogba was Juventus's star, he was a match winner but he wasn't their main man because it is a team without main man, it was a genuine team not an ensemble of individualities.
And what you described is applicable to Bale and Neymar, extremely expensive players who are also match winners but aren't main men, they are still worth every penny. But they need a solid team around them.

Im not sure how Bale and Neymar fit. Both had shown that they could be main men to a decent degree. Which justified their huge fees and woukd have made them ideal sifnings for a club in United's United position.
The club paid a huge fee for Di Maria who hadn't shown he coukd be the main man. Likewise Pogba.

Obviously Neymar and Bale are no longer the main man, but that's not really an issue. Its more of an issue to sign someone like Di Maria for huge money as your main man, because his game appears reliant on equally talented/more talented (or at least 'effective') teammates.
As does Pogba's.

 

[Sam M]

@Sam M Stick to the topic and discuss Speak's posts rather than him.

Don't worry, it's all over now.

In reality, pogba last season had a 3/4 month spell where he was the man for juventus, he stepped up big time and used his maverick talent to shape games in ways very few cms can do. He certainly has the capabilities to be the ''main man'' - what that means is up to debate and sounds like another way of getting in a sly dig at the player - a player with his swagger and confidence is at the other end of the spectrum compared with di aria who was physically non - existent and mentally was a disgrace.
Pogba is very assertive, look at the image of confidence he projects when he puts his foot on the ball and surveys the field like he has all the time in the world. This is the ''slowing of time'' theory only few players can do. Iniesta is the best of that today, everything seems stop and despite being surrounded he plays at his own speed, messi, of course can do this, so can modric, thiago and toni kroos. Pogba is the league's only player who has this gift (kdb is 100mph in style).
it's gonna be wonderful watching pogba stride across that midfield zone - like a midfield general, not a keane one perhaps, but still commands the same authority. He has that aura that d maria never had. Unlike di maria, there are less than 5 players as talented as pogba, and there is no player who has his 2 feet and imagination who happen to be 6'5 and the lungs to play every game, rarely without injury.
Anyway, the club will sign a maestro dm next summer and a flying winger, by hook or by crook we will get there by virtue of siging so many talented players. of course, you want it to be a streamlined process but we can afford to be different. We'll get to a point where pogba will be surrounded by so much talent, the question of him being a leader, or a supporting player will be irrelevant.

 

[JPRouve]

Im not sure how Bale and Neymar fit. Both had shown that they could be main men to a decent degree. Which justified their huge fees and woukd have made them ideal sifnings for a club in United's United position.
The club paid a huge fee for Di Maria who hadn't shown he coukd be the main man. Likewise Pogba.

Obviously Neymar and Bale are no longer the main man, but that's not really an issue. Its more of an issue to sign someone like Di Maria for huge money as your main man, because his game appears reliant on equally talented/more talented (or at least 'effective') teammates.
As does Pogba's.

You don't understand Pogba, Pogba doesn't rely on other players talents, he relies on his own talent, the problem with Pogba is that he is a soloist. The next step for him will be to put his huge talent for the team and general play benefit. At Juventus it was a team of 9 players plus Pogba.

Edit: Pogba is more Berbatov than Di Maria.

 

[Speak]

I wouldn't expect that at all. We're buying a midfielder for his footballing ability, not paying to get a war general. If he has leadership qualities, great, if he doesn't, meh. In any case, expecting a kid to lead a club as big as ours, that too when he's played a handful of games and alongside players like Rooney and Ibra is just weird to me.

Again, unless you're a Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar level player, I don't think you can be THE main man at a club as huge as ours and neither should it be the case.

Seriously, he's a kid who's just joined a new club which also has experienced pros like Rooney and Ibra and you're complaining he's not become a leader or a the main man etc etc. Let's just expect him to play as a top CM and help us win games?

I dont mean leader in that sense. I mean in terms of being the go to guy, with the expectation to deliver consistently and make the difference.

Sanchez and Ozil woukd be a good example. Neither are war generals, but Sanchez is clearly (in my opinion) more comfortable leading a team in the way I described. I'd be happier with Sanchez as my main man than Ozil. And a team with Ozil as its main man would probably achieve less.

The issue may be that, like when Di Maria was at the club, people expect Pogba to thrive as the best player in the team, when actually it would be better for him if players 'better' than him were brought in. Because like Di Maria, there's no near-guarantee that Pogba will deliver in any given game.

And obviously when you spend this fee on a player who isnt a consistent match-winner/main man it's going to add pressure and increase criticism. Luckily for him, Ibrahimovich takes some of the load off him, but it's still understandably going to be all about Pogba.

Just my opinion. But I remeber people scratching their heads as to why Di Maria wasn't playing like the Madrid Di Maria.

 

[Varun]

I dont mean leader in that sense. I mean in terms of being the go to guy, with the expectation to deliver consistently and make the difference.

Sanchez and Ozil woukd be a good example. Neither are war generals, but Sanchez is clearly (in my opinion) more comfortable leading a team in the way I described. I'd be happier with Sanchez as my main man than Ozil. And a team with Ozil as its main man would probably achieve less.

The issue may be that, like when Di Maria was at the club, people expect Pogba to thrive as the best player in the team, when actually it would be better for him if players 'better' than him were brought in. Because like Di Maria, there's no near-guarantee that Pogba will deliver in any given game.

And obviously when you spend this fee on a player who isnt a consistent match-winner/main man it's going to add pressure and increase criticism. Luckily for him, Ibrahimovich takes some of the load off him, but it's still understandably going to be all about Pogba.

Just my opinion. But I remeber people scratching their heads as to why Di Maria wasn't playing like the Madrid Di Maria.

I have no idea where you're coming from tbh. There's a very obvious reason why pogba isn't playing like he did at Juve and that's ignoring completely how well/badly he's done himself. I think the expectations and understanding of what pogba actually did at Juve is misunderstood and has been from day 1 and that's resulting in this now.

 

[Loublaze]

Need some help here settling an argument with a friend. He thinks that Riaola's agent fees were included in the transfer fee, meaning we paid 69M plus 20M to get to the 89 for Pogba's transfer. This is completely false isn't it? I thought the fee is 89M with the agent's fee paid separate and I also thought Juventus agreed to pay it (or some of it?)

 

[JPRouve]

Need some help here settling an argument with a friend. He thinks that Riaola's agent fees were included in the transfer fee, meaning we paid 69M plus 20M to get to the 89 for Pogba's transfer. This is completely false isn't it? I thought the fee is 89M with the agent's fee paid separate and I also thought Juventus agreed to pay it (or some of it?)

We paid 89m for Pogba, the agent fees for that transfer are undisclosed and Juventus paid what they had to pay to Raiola from a different transaction.

 

[Varun]

Need some help here settling an argument with a friend. He thinks that Riaola's agent fees were included in the transfer fee, meaning we paid 69M plus 20M to get to the 89 for Pogba's transfer. This is completely false isn't it? I thought the fee is 89M with the agent's fee paid separate and I also thought Juventus agreed to pay it (or some of it?)

89 Mil included the agent fee and whatever it was, was paid by Juve as far as I understand.

 

[JPRouve]

89 Mil included the agent fee and whatever it was, was paid by Juve as far as I understand.

If I'm not mistaken agent fees are never included in the fees we hear about, so there is no reason for it to be different here. Now the 20m that the press used all summer are in fact supposed to be an agreement between Pogba, Raiola and Juventus, 20% of the transfer were supposed to be paid to Pogba and Raiola, and no one knows how it has been shared. As for the actual agent fees for the 89m transfer, no one knows how much United paid and they definitely paid.

 

[Varun]

If I'm not mistaken agent fees are never included in the fees we hear about, so there is no reason for it to be different here. Now the 20m that the press used all summer are in fact supposed to be an agreement between Pogba, Raiola and Juventus, 20% of the transfer were supposed to be paid to Pogba and Raiola, and no one knows how it has been shared. As for the actual agent fees for the 89m transfer, no one knows how much United paid and they definitely paid.

Juve released a statement/report which confirmed that the fee to riaola was paid by them and that it was included in the amount we paid. Essentially, we paid them 89mil and about 18 of that went to riaola. Whether or not pogba got a cut from that, I don't know, anybody's guess.

 

[togg]

To be honest...who cares about fees now...he's ours and I just want him to settle and be allowed to perform to his best. There is no doubt this is not like the Italian league...there is more pressing, but he's played to an extent before here and I'm hoping in time he adjusts and allows what is a natural, if not world class talent, to shine.

 

[BennyBlanco]

This was always going to happen. 90M will mean he will have to put in an 8/10 performance every game, otherwise people will question him.

That said, if we want to get the best out of him, then Mourinho will need to play to his strengths. We must build the team around him. Pogba needs width, runners, hard workers next to him, etc. No point spending all that money if we're not going to put in players that compliment him.

At the same time, if you drop a Keane or Scholes Vieira into any team, even some crappy Tony Pulis managed side, they would all immediately improve them, regardless of standard of their teammate.
It supports what @Speak wrote of Pogba, he's not a lead man he's a supporting actor.
At least still just now at 23.

 

[JPRouve]

Juve released a statement/report which confirmed that the fee to riaola was paid by them and that it was included in the amount we paid. Essentially, we paid them 89mil and about 18 of that went to riaola. Whether or not pogba got a cut from that, I don't know, anybody's guess.

The fee they paid isn't the agen fee, it's a clause from Pogba's contract, they also mentioned other things that they had to pay to Pogba. In the official statement, it's clearly said that the 105m€ are for the registration rights of Paul Labille Pogba then they explain that the net gain for them is 72.6m€. In the other report they explain that they owed money to Pogba and Raiola which is why they only pocketed 72.6m but it's the agent fees, it's the clauses in Pogba's contract. The agent fees are unknown.

 

[Varun]

The fee they paid isn't the agen fee, it's a clause from Pogba's contract, they also mentioned other things that they had to pay to Pogba. In the official statement, it's clearly said that the 105m€ are for the registration rights of Paul Labille Pogba then they explain that the net gain for them is 72.6m€. In the other report they explain that they owed money to Pogba and Raiola which is why they only pocked 72.6m but it's the agent fees, it's the clauses in Pogba's contract. The agent fees are unknown.

The money went to him because of the clause which entitled him to 20% of the transfer fee. I understand what you're saying though, that we might have paid extra over and above that, I doubt it but could be. Who knows.