[derace]

the amount of hate he gets on social media after 5 games into the season is disgusting.

i mean he is a 23 year old kid in a new league and a new club. what do people expect? it seems like many people would just love to see him fail. utterly disgusting.
yes he was shit again yesterday but so what? bar herrera everyone was. i hope he shuts the haters down in the next few month and i also hope it doesnt affect him with all the hate he gets. he seems to be a very emotinal player.

 

[BlueCelery]

Top scorer for Chelsea in back to back campaigns. While also leading the league in assists & chances created in successive seasons.

This was just before Drogba was Drogba. Name another PL team to win a title with a CM as the biggest goal threat. I'll wait. Not like we were free scoring during those years. Lampard was the player that usually relied on to make the difference for us.

 

[kouroux]

Top scorer for Chelsea in back to back campaigns. While also leading the league in assists & chances created in successive seasons.

This was before Drogba was Drogba. Name another PL team to win a title with a midfielder as the biggest goal threat. I'll wait.

Yeah but Chelsea still had a great defence and goalkeeper. Lampard didn't do it alone.

 

[Treble]

the amount of hate he gets on social media after 5 games into the season is disgusting.

i mean he is a 23 year old kid in a new league and a new club. what do people expect? it seems like many people would just love to see him fail. utterly disgusting.
yes he was shit again yesterday but so what? bar herrera everyone was. i hope he shuts the haters down in the next few month and i also hope it doesnt affect him with all the hate he gets. he seems to be a very emotinal player.

That's part and parcel of being a footballing (or whatever) star. He and his agent make obscene amount of money and fans are paying it.

Another thing is that many United fans were extremely proud of his signing and the opposition fans are happy to gloat now.

He'll come good.

 

[BlueCelery]

Yeah but Chelsea still had a great defence and goalkeeper. Lampard didn't do it alone.

You have arguably the best defence & GK in the League though. And I never argued that. Just said he was the main man on the team & the only Superstar

 

[kouroux]

You have arguably the best defence & GK in the League though. And I never argued that. Just said he was the main man on the team & the only Superstar

We don't have the best defense in the league.

 

[JPRouve]

You have arguably the best defence & GK in the League though. And I never argued that. Just said he was the main man on the team & the only Superstar

But our midfield is far from yours, the third midfielders weren't great, they were talented but underperformed in 2004, the following season you added Michael "flippin" Essien to Makélélé and Lampard.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You have arguably the best defence & GK in the League though. And I never argued that. Just said he was the main man on the team & the only Superstar

Nonsense. Chelsea had a load of good players, who all made major contributions. Top class defenders and keeper aside, you're massively underestimating the role that Claude Makalele played in Chelsea finally winning titles.

Anyway, where you're really missing this point is judging a CM on goals and assists. Players like Keane and Viera were far more influential on the general pattern of play for their teams than Lampard ever was, even though they didn't score goals. And yes, goals win matches but it's a ludicrously simple view of football to judge the importance of CMs based purely on how many goals they score.

 

[Seveneric]

It seems like half the people fellating themselves over the signing can't even come to a consensus as to what his best position is/what kind of player he is.

the amount of hate he gets on social media after 5 games into the season is disgusting.

i mean he is a 23 year old kid in a new league and a new club. what do people expect? it seems like many people would just love to see him fail. utterly disgusting.
yes he was shit again yesterday but so what? bar herrera everyone was. i hope he shuts the haters down in the next few month and i also hope it doesnt affect him with all the hate he gets. he seems to be a very emotinal player.

Not defending it, but that's when happens when you're flashy/showy (the dabbing, daft haircuts, social media hype United built around him etc), you get more hate than the "humble", out of the limelight player.

 

[Stacks]

the amount of hate he gets on social media after 5 games into the season is disgusting.

i mean he is a 23 year old kid in a new league and a new club. what do people expect? it seems like many people would just love to see him fail. utterly disgusting.
yes he was shit again yesterday but so what? bar herrera everyone was. i hope he shuts the haters down in the next few month and i also hope it doesnt affect him with all the hate he gets. he seems to be a very emotinal player.

That's part and parcel of being a footballing (or whatever) star. He and his agent make obscene amount of money and fans are paying it.

Another thing is that many United fans were extremely proud of his signing and the opposition fans are happy to gloat now.

He'll come good.

It's to be expected. You arrive off the back of the biggest transfer of all time, with your own music video bringing dab mania to United. The hysteria surrounding the transfer was crazy and he didn't help himself. When you are that hype, you gotta be ready for people waiting for you to fall. Its the price

 

[Witchking]

Not defending it, but that's when happens when you're flashy/showy (the dabbing, daft haircuts, social media hype United built around him etc), you get more hate than the "humble", out of the limelight player.

True, he needs to stop making stupid videos and pics about how great his life is and learn to adjust to the team and justify the faith shown by the club. It's still early days for him and i hope he comes good. If United are out of the CL places this season, i think it is going ot be a huge decline and it will be very difficult to get back to the top.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

I feel like I'm going insane by reading this thread, but am I the only one who thought he was actually pretty decent?

Not a world-beater by any means, but not terrible either like many are suggesting.

Thought he was legitimately the only player trying to make shit happen and had a handful of good moments of play. It's hard to have a class performance when pretty much all of your teammates around you are stinking up the pitch.

Football is a team sport.

 

[Rory 7]

I feel like I'm going insane by reading this thread, but am I the only one who thought he was actually pretty decent?

Not a world-beater by any means, but not terrible either like many are suggesting.

Thought he was legitimately the only player trying to make shit happen and had a handful of good moments of play. It's hard to have a class performance when pretty much all of your teammates around you are stinking up the pitch.

Football is a team sport.

He looked like a player that had come up through the ranks and was being blooded into the first team. Which is exactly what he is.....oh hold on...

 

[harms]

Top scorer for Chelsea in back to back campaigns. While also leading the league in assists & chances created in successive seasons.

This was just before Drogba was Drogba. Name another PL team to win a title with a CM as the biggest goal threat. I'll wait. Not like we were free scoring during those years. Lampard was the player that usually relied on to make the difference for us.

Manchester City 2013/14? You should check your memory

And Keane, Vieira and Scholes (and even Carrick in our last title win) were the players who lead their teams to the title, some of them on multiple occasions.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Of course I am. He's the only midfielder in PL history to lead a team to a PL title. And he did it twice.

Yeah it's as of Terry, Carvalho, Essien, Makelele, Gallas, Cech, Drogba and company were just passengers aboard the Lampard train. If anything, Lampard only really works well if he has others doing a lot for him.

 

[Nighteyes]

I'm not worried about him. He'll come good but hopefully the position excuse is put away for good. He can play as a #8 with license to move forward and that's where he should play. Stop with the #10 bollocks.

 

[NoLogo]

Mou is still looking for the best way to make use of him. So far it seemed though as if Fellaini as his partner has worked the best, still I would love to see a bit more with him and Herrera as the double pivot. We need as many players on the pitch as possible who can play a good pass under pressure.

 

[RedCurry]

All these formation excuses for him definitely need to stop. He's been crap and it's all his own doing. When he receives the ball deep, he needs to make the forward pass with one or two touches. When he receives the ball in an attacking position he should be looking for a one-two. When he gets around the box, use his strength and shooting skills to get us goals. Keep it fecking simple. That's the player we paid all this money for. We don't need this fancy midfield dribbler who receives the ball half way in our own half and tries to do it all.

 

[shamans]

Yeah it's as of Terry, Carvalho, Essien, Makelele, Gallas, Cech, Drogba and company were just passengers aboard the Lampard train. If anything, Lampard only really works well if he has others doing a lot for him.

It's is quite annoying and silly how underrated Lampard is. Just because he played in a very attacking role people just assume he's a glorified goal scorer. Lampard is one of the greatest players this league has seen.

If Pogba could have a career like Lampard I'd be delighted.

 

[horsechoker]

All these formation excuses for him definitely need to stop. He's been crap and it's all his own doing. When he receives the ball deep, he needs to make the forward pass with one or two touches. When he receives the ball in an attacking position he should be looking for a one-two. When he gets around the box, use his strength and shooting skills to get us goals. Keep it fecking simple. That's the player we paid all this money for. We don't need this fancy midfield dribbler who receives the ball half way in our own half and tries to do it all.

It's becoming a bit Di Mariaish to be honest.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's is quite annoying and silly how underrated Lampard is. Just because he played in a very attacking role people just assume he's a glorified goal scorer. Lampard is one of the greatest players this league has seen.

If Pogba could have a career like Lampard I'd be delighted.

Of course. Because the chap I responds to overrates Lampard doesn't mean I underrate him. Brilliant player, one of the best midfielders I've seen in the premier league, for sure, but to put him on a higher padestal than other great players rewrite history with him in it dragging the team ahead as some sort of Messiah figure, is plain hyperbole.

 

[shamans]

Most folks were very naive in their expectations in the first place. Few foreign players hit the ground running, especially if they are record signings. The pressure is immense.

Pogba is an young player coming from a different league to an unsettled team with no proper chemistry. Of course, it would take time for him to find his form and role in the team.

Modric was in his prime when he signed with Madrid and was mostly disappointing in the first season there.

The problem is that fans are impatient, all the more our rivals play quite well which exacerbates the situation.

Rooney is a big problem albeit his fans understandably never would admit it. If we don't play Rooney and play badly, they are gloating in all threads, as if a team without Rooney wouldn't need time to gell and get cohesive. Worse, the media would be all over the manager if he dropped Rooney and we lost. No patience whatsoever.

Not sure Mou will be able to handle the situation well. These losses make it even harder to introduce real changes in the team. Keeping our head above the water will be our main objective,at least over the next 1-2 months.

So you admit that as of now we would lose more matches with Rooney out of the team, yet you would have no problem with that since it would mean Rooney would get dropped?

Also it's time you stop blaming Pogba's failure on Rooney. His terrible display had nothing to do with finding a cohesive team or Rooney. It was him being poor.

 

[shamans]

Of course. Because the chap I responds to overrates Lampard doesn't mean I underrate him. Brilliant player, one of the best midfielders I've seen in the premier league, for sure, but to put him on a higher padestal than other great players rewrite history with him in it dragging the team ahead as some sort of Messiah figure, is plain hyperbole.

Well I think saying Lampard is only effective with better players around him doing his work underrates him a bit.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's becoming a bit Di Mariaish to be honest.

Or Kagawaish/Herreraish/Schneiderlinish/Darmianish/Depayish

Players consistently drop a few good notches when they come to us these days. While in not all cases it's our fault (what do you about depay forgetting what football actually is?!), and they take blame in all cases too, we're clearly doing something wrong for nearly every player to get worse after moving to us.

 

[Treble]

So you admit that as of now we would lose more matches with Rooney out of the team, yet you would have no problem with that since it would mean Rooney would get dropped?

Also it's time you stop blaming Pogba's failure on Rooney. His terrible display had nothing to do with finding a cohesive team or Rooney. It was him being poor.

You are hopeless, tbf. Building a new team needs time and to get rid of past it stars, exactly like Guardiola did with Ronaldinho, Deco, Toure, etc. His start as Barca's manager was terrible, the rest is history. If you don't have the balls the make major changes in a struggling team, then you won't have much success either.

 

[shamans]

You are hopeless, tbf. Building a new team needs time and to get rid of past it stars, exactly like Guardiola did with Ronaldinho, Deco, Toure, etc. His start as Barca's manager was terrible, the rest is history. If you don't have the balls the make major changes in a struggling team, then you won't have much success either.

You're just clutching at straws. Blaming it all on Rooney is the easy way out. Players that formed the core of Guardiola's team played well even with 'dinho, deco and toure in the side.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Well I think saying Lampard is only effective with better players around him doing his work underrates him a bit.

Except I didn't say that. Others doing the dirty work to make a player shine that bit more doesn't make them better than said player. Benzema doing donkey work obviously doesn't make him a better player than Ronaldo. If some ways, working your system to suit a player show show good he is.

But Lampard was clearly at his best given the role of the third CM who had a lot of the midfield responsibilities taken off him. Put him in SAFs 442 and he'd struggle a lot more. Pogba is a similar sort of midfielder, but possibly more Gerrard than Lampard in that he's not going to be such a brutal goalscorer but will do more damage through natural brilliance (other than goals).

 

[horsechoker]

Or Kagawaish/Herreraish/Schneiderlinish/Darmianish/Depayish

Players consistently drop a few good notches when they come to us these days. While in not all cases it's our fault (what do you about depay forgetting what football actually is?!), and they take blame in all cases too, we're clearly doing something wrong for nearly every player to get worse after moving to us.

I should have explained what I meant by that, people keep going on about how we need to play Pogba in this role which is not box to box or attacking midfielder of DM, but some weird non-position much like what Di Maria is suppose to play.

 

[Treble]

You're just clutching at straws. Blaming it all on Rooney is the easy way out. Players that formed the core of Guardiola's team played well even with 'dinho, deco and toure in the side.

OK, I give up.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I should have explained what I meant by that, people keep going on about how we need to play Pogba in this role which is not box to box or attacking midfielder of DM, but some weird non-position much like what Di Maria is suppose to play.

I don't think so. People are saying he's not a proper CM. I've never seen anything in Pogba to suggest he's a real CM i.e a builder, a tempo setter, a guy who dictates the game. He's always struck me as someone who lacks the "sense", positionally or otherwise, to be that player. In contrast, someone like Gudogan or Modric are tailor-made to do it. So if this is the guy who you want running your midfield, IMO you're in trouble. However, I'd like to see how he'd operate in a Lampard or Gerrard role with players like Essien/Mascherano/Makelele/Alonso behind them him like they had.

Like I said, though, nothing excuses the shit we saw last night. He needs to show a standard no matter what little variations of midfield roles he's given to play.

 

[Varun]

I should have explained what I meant by that, people keep going on about how we need to play Pogba in this role which is not box to box or attacking midfielder of DM, but some weird non-position much like what Di Maria is suppose to play.

We spent a world record fee on a player. Surely you agree it's stupid to make him play a role in which he would never have been worth that amount? If we wanted a CM to play in a 2 man midfield, why splurge such a huge amount on someone who's never shown himself as someone who excels at that? Are we going to feck load on greizmann next and then stick him on the right wing? Well, like pogba, he'll play there and in all probability, be good too with time. Doesn't change the fact that he'll never be worth the amount spent.

 

[BlueCelery]

Except I didn't say that. Others doing the dirty work to make a player shine that bit more doesn't make them better than said player. Benzema doing donkey work obviously doesn't make him a better player than Ronaldo. If some ways, working your system to suit a player show show good he is.

But Lampard was clearly at his best given the role of the third CM who had a lot of the midfield responsibilities taken off him. Put him in SAFs 442 and he'd struggle a lot more. Pogba is a similar sort of midfielder, but possibly more Gerrard than Lampard in that he's not going to be such a brutal goalscorer but will do more damage through natural brilliance (other than goals).

He made the ToTY (in the CL/PL) playing in a 442 under Ranieri though alongside Makelele with 2 of Gudjohnssen/Mutu/Hasselbaink/Crespo upfront. Carry on your agenda though.

Let's not derail this thread. It's about Paul Pogba. If you lot are insistent Lampard was carried by other players, create the thread & I'll debate you in there.

 

[RedCurry]

It's becoming a bit Di Mariaish to be honest.

One thing Pogba has on his side which I think Di Maria didn't is time. Pogba is also playing the position he's supposed to be good at. There won't be any tinkering with that. He'll get enough chances to get it right in his favored position. But he needs to stop trying to impress the fans. His athleticism and passing ability is close to world class, his dribbling is not. He needs to play to his strengths for now.

 

[Attila]

He had a slow start last season, he's had no pre season and he's been training with the club for about 3-4 weeks. The rest of the team has also been playing poorly which probably isnt helpful for new player.

I think this should be taken into consideration before heavily criticising him. I'm sure in a couple of weeks he will be fine.

There's been a surprising amount of criticism towards Mourinho, Pogba and Mkhitaryan when we've only played 5 games!

 

[podurban2]

He will come great, I have no doubt about that. It's just too bad that this lack of form comes at a time when we could need his attributes the most.

 

[Kevin]

Of course I am. He's the only midfielder in PL history to lead a team to a PL title. And he did it twice.

 

[Offside]

Of course I am. He's the only midfielder in PL history to lead a team to a PL title. And he did it twice.

Inferior to Scholes on most footballing levels.

 

[sullydnl]

Inferior to Scholes on most footballing levels.

Nonetheless, Lampard was the the top scorer for Chelsea in two title winning seasons. If he didn't lead them to a title then he certainly fired them to one (twice).

 

[balaks]

He will come great, I have no doubt about that. It's just too bad that this lack of form comes at a time when we could need his attributes the most.

I dont see it as a lack of form, rather just him getting used to playing with a new team. He will be grand.

 

[Raees]

Was mentioned in another thread but Rooney gets to play in whatever position he wants, plays shit for years and is given time to try and play himself into 'form' even when that form is not forthcoming..

Lets give Pogba a sustained run in a position he favours and let him find his feet. As he is the young player who could turn our to be our main star.. we need to give him that chance even if we do have some teething problems to begin with.

Like I said, if in a year he is still struggling big time.. then we are fecked, but lets give him that chance. He needs it and we need to give him it because we have no other option but to hope he comes good.. which he might do, whereas giving Rooney a chance is pointless because he is a has been.