Those long passes of hisPirlo-esque
why pirlo esque, the italian never had the technique of hitting the ball this way, this is as Schol-esque as it gets
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why pirlo esque, the italian never had the technique of hitting the ball this way, this is as Schol-esque as it gets
I've never seen Yaya get the balance right. He can be both a great defensive mid or a great number ten but I think he is uncapable of doing both in one match, being a proper box to box player.
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i don't think him being the best CM in the world is dependent on that, not that many CM's out here really racking up goals like that, sure it would be nice if he could add a few goals to his game, and his finishing isn't bad, i just feel he has been unlucky, nonetheless, the amount of chances he creates is ridiculous, and personally, if he does it consistently, which he has been, and throughout an extended period, he will be the best CM in the world regardless of his finishing. He's certainly really high up there already.
I just think he is the closest of the more recent ones. Could say vieira with more offensive than defensive qualities. But Yaya has/had the ability, just never seemed to care enough.
Viera is the one for me. Just can't agree on Yaya as he only does one. I don't think its necessarily an issue of caring but mainly an energy thing, he doesn't have the stamina to play box to box like Pogba can. Yaya peak is obviously far superior to current Pogba, but if we have a player on that level its something I've always wanted, ever since city started dominating us in midfield every time since his arrival.
Any Juventus experts here who can tell us the system that he played in at Juve and which midfield pairing he had the helped bring the best out of him? I think he had a great outlet in one of the wingers or IF there where he used to ping him on the diagonal as he was running near the box. Can't remember his name but he was lightning quick.
On a side note, it's always good seeing this sort of thing. It's great to have players like Pogba that can inspire generations of kids.
On a side note, it's always good seeing this sort of thing. It's great to have players like Pogba that can inspire generations of kids.
Comfortably the best CM in the League. He's becoming a more complete player not just in terms of talent but all round performances under Jose.
I think once he finally dominates a big game, everyone that was doubting him early on will hold their hands up & admit they were completely wrong about him.
I think once he finally dominates a big game, everyone that was doubting him early on will hold their hands up & admit they were completely wrong about him.
Vidal was a physical beast.
That's lovely, the kid can't stop smiling. We do now have a few players who are global superstars who have a level of fandom which is pretty absurd. Rooney, Pogba and of course Zlatan.
I've just read sense from BlueCelery. Christmas miracles really does happen.
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Juventus played either 3-5-2 or 4-3-1-2, neither formation had wingers. Perhaps you're thinking of Stephan Lichtsteiner? He was the right full/wingback, very attacking. Either that or Dybala? He's more of a striker than a wide forward, though.
That said, he was the left CM for them, with Vidal beside as a pair of box to box mids and Pirlo behind in the 3-5-2. I think he was given more creative freedom once Pirlo left and Marchisio was brought back into the starting 11, but IIRC Marchisio still played in behind. In the 4-3-1-2, he was the left of the 3.
Lichtsteiner ? Cuadrado ?
With Conte in the famous 352 :
Pirlo
Vidal Pogba
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Pirlo
Marchisio Pogba
Same system the first year with Allegri ( 2014-2015 ) but last season, Juventus played with 2 system 352 of course and the 442.
The team was built around Pogba, he became the leader and was more offensive ( 15 assists, 10 goals, by far his best season ). That's why he took the number 10 which is the equivalent of the number 7 for Manchester United.
In the 442 he played as a false left winger ( first leg against Bayern in CL http://i.eurosport.com/2016/02/22/1800594.jpg for example ) and in the 352, Marchisio was the CDM, Khedira de CM but they weren't able to replace Pirlo so Bonucci turned into an amazing quaterback
and Pogba was free.Then we ultimately agree.
Yaya, if he bothered to keep himself in perfect physical condition, would be able to play that box to box role in the most similar way to Pogba amongst top players of today.
He's more busy counting his money and getting his agent to create drama though, while his brother is snorting some weight-losing drug.
Yaya's peak is not FAR superior to current Pogba. We really do love going on hyperbole on the Caf
Wait what happened to you
I was expecting a Chelsea player name to be thrown.
What about your idol Kante? And don't say he is a DM because as far as you're concerned he's not one but rather a more advanced midfielder compared to a DM (had this debate with you somewhere).
Yaya's peak is not FAR superior to current Pogba. We really do love going on hyperbole on the Caf
Its not hyperbole Yaya spent a year as one of the top players on the planet and the best player in the league comfortably guiding city to the title. He got something like 20 prem goals from midfield. Pogba currently halfway through a season has 2 or 3 prem goals, playing for a team in sixth. Pogba is great but he isn't peak yaya yet.
What with this obsession with goals and midfielders. I know about Yaya's stellar season at City and well aware about his quality.
Pogba came into this league as one of the best midfielder in the world and he still is one. Fair enough if one thinks Peak Yaya is better than current Pogba but going on these hyperbole as to claim he was FAR superior are just the things I see way to often on the Caf.
And scoring isn't what really define midfielders. The very best midfielders in the world through different generations such as Iniesta, Xavi, Zidane etc weren't even prolific goalscorers but it was what they did with the ball that defined them.
Then ignore the scoring bit and focus on the leading to title bit.
If Pogba scored 20 league goals this season you'd be raving about it.
To state the obvious goals win games and if Pogba were to get 20 this year we'd be competing for the league. Not battling it out for fourth.
Midfielders playing in a three get off too lightly these days. With less defensive responsibility and only one striker being on the pitch they sold be hitting double figures(in the league).
The obsession with midfielders and goals is something narrated often in England mostly because some just want to mask other deficiencies.
You have your Lampard whom are touted as some of the best midfielder in the league because of goals but his ball playing skills isn't where one would normally think when they see your continental more skillful ball playing midfielder.
Again the best midfielders in the world aren't recognised for their goalscoring prowess but rather their skills on the ball.
Your Modric, Iniesta etc don't score goals but still are recognised as the cream of the crop because of what they do with the ball at their feet. No one is using lack of goals against them.
Scoring is obviously a big plus but with midfielders they are judged by other more important metric regarding their respective tasks in their teams.
It's only here in this league where goals and stats is often used to rate midfield players when their skills on the ball doesn't get given much thought.
Iniesta, Zidane etc: not your goalscoring or assist machines but genius and beautiful on the ball.
Lampard and what the PL want: score goals and stats friendly but okeish to mediocre ball skill(compared to your midfield maestros in Iniesta, Pirlo etc)
Yet the former types are more valuable and better all round players.
So this obsession with Pogba scoring and stats, rather than looking at the man play gorgeous football and open up defenses with pure skills(things that don't make the stats) is quite odd to me.
You have your Lampard whom are touted as some of the best midfielder in the league because of goals but his ball playing skills isn't where one would normally think when they see your continental more skillful ball playing midfielder.
Again the best midfielders in the world aren't recognised for their goalscoring prowess but rather their skills on the ball.
Your Modric, Iniesta etc don't score goals but still are recognised as the cream of the crop because of what they do with the ball at their feet. No one is using lack of goals against them.
Scoring is obviously a big plus but with midfielders they are judged by other more important metric regarding their respective tasks in their teams.
It's only here in this league where goals and stats is often used to rate midfield players when their skills on the ball doesn't get given much thought.
Iniesta, Zidane etc: not your goalscoring or assist machines but genius and beautiful on the ball.
Lampard and what the PL want: score goals and stats friendly but okeish to mediocre ball skill(compared to your midfield maestros in Iniesta, Pirlo etc)
Yet the former types are more valuable and better all round players.
So this obsession with Pogba scoring and stats, rather than looking at the man play gorgeous football and open up defenses with pure skills(things that don't make the stats) is quite odd to me.
He's a beast. Has settled in nicely and he's bossing that midfield now
Was unlucky to not score and that run he made around 35 minutes was superb. Any gifs of that? @GifLord, please?
Was unlucky to not score and that run he made around 35 minutes was superb. Any gifs of that? @GifLord, please?
Kante has a few glaring flaws to be called the best CM in the League. He's comfortably the most dominant CM in World Football in terms of the defensive side of the game but limitations offensively are glaring especially against teams that park the bus.Wait what happened to you
I was expecting a Chelsea player name to be thrown.
What about your idol Kante? And don't say he is a DM because as far as you're concerned he's not one but rather a more advanced midfielder compared to a DM (had this debate with you somewhere).
Well it's not an obsession for a start. Just a simple fact that teams with goalscoring midfielders tend to do well. You also don't have to sacrifice goals for ball skills. Some players, like Pogba and Scholes, are capable of both.
How come then in 2005 the 40000 registered professional footballers around the world voted Lampard in to the FIFPRO team of the year? They also voted Gerrard, another English style midfielder, into the the world team of the year three years in a row 07-09.
So you can only name 2.....
Lampard was runner up for World Player of the Year as well wasn't he?
If Pogba scored 20 league goals this season I'm sure he'd be voted in the top three.
I think at some point he will. From set pieces alone you can see him getting five.
We haven't produced any world class midfielders in England since then. The awards are only eleven years old too so it isn't a bad return all things considered. Pogba made the 2015 team
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Lampard came second in the Ballon D'Or which is of less merit IMO due to it being voted for by journalists. He was undoubtedly one of the very best in the world back then though.
Pogba is in the current team. He is also in the UEFA 2015 team of the year.
Let take a team like Barca, their 3 midfielders aren't goalscorers and most up the goalscoring burden fall on the front 3.
People aren't too caught up in thinking that Iniesta, Rakitic or Busquet should be scoring more but rather bring the ball to the front 3 and leave those scoring take to them as intended and expected.
Our front 3 should be the ones expected to score loads. Ibra is doing it, so is Mhki currently, just one more side left to click(Martial).
Pogba as one of our 3 midfielder is the one tasked with bringing the ball forward and make things happen but the goalscoring burden should never been on him. He does his things and what expected of him superbly.
If he ships in goals and loads of them, good but if he doesn't but still does what he should be doing as one of our midfielders superbly than nothing is getting taken away from.
So all these remarks about him not scoring enough thus making people reluctant to rate him higher is quite odd.
MOTM for me. Unlucky not to have scored and worked his socks off. That's all I ask from him.
Well let's not use Barcelona as they have Messi, Suarez and Neymar scoring 300000 goals a year. Let's take a regular team like United. If Iniesta was in our current team playing as an advanced midfielder you'd want more than the three or four goals a year he gets.
Pogba only gets criticsed (very mildly) for not scoring more because it's clear he can and will.
As I said earlier if he got 20 league goals like Yaya we'd be close to if not winning the league.
Yaya was a great player a few years back but he offered far less all round game than Pogba does. I'm gutted that Yaya is back in favour at City because he is a real match winner for me, much more of a game changer than Gundogan.
Not exactly saying your Lampard and Gerrard are crap or anything but even those two are still level below the likes of all time great midfielders like Zidane, Iniesta etc whom didn't score much.
And my point about English obsession with goals rather than skills stand. A player like Scholes possessing tremendous ball skills get shafted aside(to the left to be precise) in favor of stats men like Gerrard and Lampard.
It's only in England that they'd choose to shaft the player with the skills and pedigree to actually control games in midfield for your goalscoring type midfielder who lack the skills to control games properly.
Did the Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard comparisons move to this thread? Yawn.
They are below Zidane and Iniesta but that is because of international failure IMO, both those players scored winning goals in a world cup final! If Lampard or Gerrard had that on their CV then people would want to bracket them that highly. I know what you are saying though.
Great shout. His work rate really influenced his image though (and rightly so), plus Pogba looks even fitter than him (let alone more motivated)
Or Xavi.
It was a Swedish manager who put Scholes out wide. Under English international managers(Hoddle and Keegan) he played centrally. So that's false.
Pogba's ball skills aren't as good as Zidane or Iniesta so he has to balance that by using the advantages he has. Namely an ability to score goals.
If Pogba continues to get 10 or less he'll never be ranked with those two. He won't even be up there with Gerrard or Lampard.
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