Patrick Dorgu | Medical today? No. Weekend.

United never really act with much authority in the transfer market, it always seems that the figure the selling club wants is always met and in lots of cases exceeded by United.

They don't act like a club with as much pull as they obviously have, even after a many years underperforming.
 
No it wouldn't, but if we are adamant that he is the one we want, it would be prudent to negotiate a lower fee for the summer. We shouldn't be held to ransom.
Agree with this. I still think it gets done on our terms. Maybe we’ll add a few mil in add ons.
 
Possible that his buyback isn't active in January.
If it isn't: What if we get him on loan with a buy option that is just a bit higher than his buyback clause? We would have the chance to see if he suits Amorim's system, and if not Benfica get him back in summer.
 
If it isn't: What if we get him on loan with a buy option that is just a bit higher than that buyback clause? We would have the chance to see if he suits Amorim's system, and if not Benfica get him back in summer.
Why would Benfica agree to that?
 
I think Amorim wants more Physicality in the team hence we are going for Dorgu over Fernandez.
 
Why would Benfica agree to that?
We could offer them a deal that could be a bigger favor to them than the actual one. For example: We offer them 10m for the loan plus an obligatory signing option of another 15m (for certain amount of games), which would be more than the buyback clause in total. If he flops, we have only spent 10m and still have the buy option for the future (even if it's just to sign him and sell him to another club), if he does well, we can sign him for less than Dorgu. From Benfica's perspective, they could say feck off and lose him next summer for cheap, or lose him now but get more money in best case.
 
We could offer them a deal that could be a bigger favor to them than the actual one. For example: We offer them 10m for the loan plus an obligatory signing option of another 15m (for certain amount of games), which would be more than the buyback clause in total. If he flops, we have only spent 10m and still have the buy option for the future (even if it's just to sign him and sell him to another club), if he does well, we can sign him for less than Dorgu. From Benfica's perspective, they could say feck off and lose him next summer for cheap, or lose him now but get more money in best case.
So we are potentially throwing away 10 Million to maybe not sign him?
 
The video I posted from 442 explains this.

Wingbacks are crucial in Amorim’s system. If we have wingbacks who can consistently get forward, then it means we will not be so outnumbers in attack which should result in better chance creation.
 
The video I posted from 442 explains this.

Wingbacks are crucial in Amorim’s system. If we have wingbacks who can consistently get forward, then it means we will not be so outnumbers in attack which should result in better chance creation.

One moment in the second half exemplified this.

Malacia came on and was quite high, which meant that Garnacho didn't need to drift wide, and Malacia slipped a great ball round the otherside of the RB for Garnacho to meet on the inside.
 
I think Amorim wants more Physicality in the team hence we are going for Dorgu over Fernandez.
He also wants wing backs not full backs, his wide players needs to be comfortable playing further forward than your normal FBs. Fernandez is a FB just like Dalot and Mazraoui, it's obvious at this point that neither of those two are able to play the role Amorim is expecting from his wing backs so no need to buy yet another FB.
 
Agree with this. I also don't think it's 'overpaying' in the sense that Hojlund/Antony was. Think Lecce are well within their right to demand more in January from us.

 
I’d rather walk away than pay the numbers being banded about and go back for him in the summer at a sensible price if Lecce get relegated.

Ineos have known we’ve needed a left sided player for ages; surely they could have lined up 2 or 3 targets for this kind of situation.

Lecce are taking the piss given his age and experience. They’ve never sold anyone for over £20m.

He’d be a 15-20m player for any other team.
 
Bowing down to Lecce's demands would be hugely disappointing. It would show we're just as bad at valuing players and negotiating as previous seasons. If Lecce can mug us off then we're truly fecked.
 
I’d rather walk away than pay the numbers being banded about and go back for him in the summer at a sensible price if Lecce get relegated.

Ineos have known we’ve needed a left sided player for ages; surely they could have lined up 2 or 3 targets for this kind of situation.

Lecce are taking the piss given his age and experience. They’ve never sold anyone for over £20m.

He’d be a 15-20m player for any other team.
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This is exactly what got us into the current situation
It's not like they are asking us for 100m, we have a value we set for the player they have a value, we negotiate and if they ask too much we move on. But if the difference is €5m euros I am sure we can meet in the middle and not just lose out over few million.
 
Because Lecce want 40M guaranteed and not for half of it to be contingent on clauses.
In that case we set our limit and move on swiftly. I don't understand why this is taking so long. We should set our ceiling and move on, time is running out and we desperately need a wingback.
 
Doubt he makes a huge difference to our standings. No need to panic.
Who is panicking? Having a competent LWB would make a big difference.

Allows Dalot to go back to RWB and Amad to 10 which is just much more balanced.

We may not get top 4 but there are financial merit payments for every league table place we gain.
 
Who is panicking? Having a competent LWB would make a big difference.

Allows Dalot to go back to RWB and Amad to 10 which is just much more balanced.

We may not get top 4 but there are financial merit payments for every league table place we gain.
Rushing him in paying over the odds for most likely a little gain (if any) in our league standings would be the very definition of a panic buy.
 
Rushing him in paying over the odds for most likely a little gain (if any) in our league standings would be the very definition of a panic buy.
If he helps us into the top 10 for example, it quickly becomes worth paying the extra £3-4 million especially if we are going to sign him anyway in the summer if he's our no1 target.
 
If he helps us into the top 10 for example, it quickly becomes worth paying the extra £3-4 million especially if we are going to sign him anyway in the summer if he's our no1 target.
He looks no different to if we played Malacia on the left. I mean, he'l probably be better of course but *he* will more then likely not be the reason we get into top 10.

I think we'll get top 10 anyway without him.
 
Dorgu played like four matches there this season
Amorim’s wing backs at Sporting also played as wingers so it makes sense if they can play either role. No one is really complaining at Amad’s performances on the right. And he had never played there before. I’m confident Amorim will be able to see traits he wants for these positions.
 
He looks no different to if we played Malacia on the left. I mean, he'l probably be better of course but *he* will more then likely not be the reason we get into top 10.

I think we'll get top 10 anyway without him.
Worth remembering:

During a time of FFP and PSR, finishing just one place higher, even if it's in mid-table, is financially significant. Each position is worth approximately £3.1m.

I think you are completely underestimating the effect having a proper wingback will have, they are the key players in Amorim's system.
 
Worth remembering:



I think you are completely underestimating the effect having a proper wingback will have, they are the key players in Amorim's system.
I think you are underestimating the fact that he has barely played wingback so there is nothing to suggest he's an improvement. 40m is a panic buy, plain and simple.
 
I think you are underestimating the fact that he has barely played wingback so there is nothing to suggest he's an improvement. 40m is a panic buy, plain and simple.
Agreed with this.
 
I think you are underestimating the fact that he has barely played wingback so there is nothing to suggest he's an improvement
He will be, Ruben has said he prefers to play attackers in those positions but is only playing defenders due to lack of time to teach wingers to defend.

Dorgu is primarily a winger who has done adequate in defence, he will be no worse defensively than Amad, I believe he will be much better.

Watch Four Four Two's video on Dorgu, he explains much better than me.
 
I think you are underestimating the fact that he has barely played wingback so there is nothing to suggest he's an improvement
You obviously have made your mind up already so fine, agree to disagree.

He's obviously highly rated by the club which is why they have shuffled some finances around to bring this deal forward and try and get this done. I'm quite happy to trust the opinion of guys like Wilcox, Vivell etc over you.

I think he's exactly the type of profile that we need for that role.
 
I think you are underestimating the fact that he has barely played wingback so there is nothing to suggest he's an improvement. 40m is a panic buy, plain and simple.

We should be panicing, look at the state of us.

I think we've all been so burnt by our transfer business that virtually anyone coming in now will be viewed as us overpaying/the player not been good enough.