ISIS are getting their asses handed to them since Russia jumped on board, they're losing what ground they gained.
I wouldn't class that as forming a state.
I wouldn't class that as forming a state.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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They,ve indentified most of them. Some were known to the police, some weren't
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972
All but one French nationals. Looks like closing the borders wont achieve much then.
That's the number various channels have already communicated last night.
The borders have been closed to stop any one involved with the attacks from escaping
By the way, closed borders means border checks. You can actually still cross the border.
Lass Diarra's cousin was among the victims. Griemann's sister managed to escape the Bataclan.
You are misguided in the similarities you see between how ISIS is forming a state and how other nations were formed. Rightly or wrongly, most nations were formed (by force or otherwise) to provide a place for people to live. The country was formed first and then because of capitalism, politics, corruption or otherwise, we have allowed a situation to arise whereby those in power are influenced by those with ill intentions. That is for ourselves to sort out.
IS are attempting to establish a state, not for a place to live or to maintain their way of living, not for protection of their people or for any want of a state in itself, they are doing it simply as a means to sow terror. That is not something that is ok because other, established nations have committed wrongs and their actions are not the same as the foreign policy of other countries.
I don't understand your point about Islams leaders and being vague or pointless. I explicitly said that those who fund and plot ISIS and their activities, do not follow the same religious rules and ideals they demand from their followers and enemies.
As for your point about the various versions of Islam and those in Christianity, that is the exact point I made in my original post to which you took exception.
I get that, but most of the suggestions in this thread are to close borders in order to stop 'them' getting in.
Permanent checks at borders would also have a massive impact on trade all over the continent.
How terrible that a thousand year old Western, Christian country should insist on retaining its own identity. The minute the first Muslim immigrant set foot on its soil it should have demolished Notre Dame and built a Grand Mosque.
There is a good chance that extra security for French Prez halted his entry.
Well maybe the percentage wouldn't be as high as it is if the definition of terrorism weren't limited to Islamists alone, case in point that racist 21 year old in Carolina wasn't called a terrorist attack but that's exactly what it was.
Media plays a big part in what generally gets a lot of attention and what doesn't. Most of the main media outlets are Conservative and spend the most of their time bashing Corbyn. This, for example was going to be The Sun's front page for today until the Paris attacks.
Both the Police and the NHS need investment but the cuts will continue and instead the attacks will be used as justification for implementing that Snooper's Charter which will result in Broadband bills rising further.
Aye, it would be a logistical nightmare and pretty unrealistic I'd have thought.
Also pretty pointless given terrorists are just as likely to be French citizens. There was a weird leap to blaming refugees yesterday that didn't make any sense...
There is nothing wrong with preserving your identity, doing so by stopping others observing theirs is slightly ironic though.
I mean, women wearing head dresses, I agree, thats just weird and should be outlawed in a Christian country.
Drinking alcohol and even women driving cars should go down well in Saudi
Quite right.
No one has ever managed to give me a decent answer as to how Muslims in Britain "erode British culture". How does it? Does it stop you watching the football, followed by a Sunday roast? No it does not. Live and let live.
Coming over 'ere, winning our novelty baking competitions...
There is nothing wrong with preserving your identity, doing so by stopping others observing theirs is slightly ironic though.
I mean, women wearing head dresses, I agree, thats just weird and should be outlawed in a Christian country.
nun gear vs none gear? they wouldn't be able to wear that to public school in france. same as yumika.
Why are they going ahead with the friendly match between England and France. I cant understand it personally. Except maybe if they stop after 60 minutes, and it turns into some sort of solidarity service.
I'm really surprised the French players want to play. Not saying they shouldn't want to, just surprised.
I'm really surprised the French players want to play. Not saying they shouldn't want to, just surprised.
I wish they'd have had that rule when I was in catholic school! It would have been a lot more interesting.... Actually, thinking about some of the nuns that taught us, maybe I don't.
I guess my point is that people go on about the hijab as if its some example of how weird and oppressive Islam is, while we have catholic nuns in pretty much the same thing AND sworn to a life of celibacy and not an eye is batted.
There is a convent in my home town that once nuns enter they are never allowed to leave, they live a life of total solitude and silence.
I think most religion was corrupted beyond use a long time ago, but if people want to follow it let them get on with it (as long as they don't infringe on anyone else's life).
That's not what monoculturalism is.
I think it's about a perceived choice.
Maybe it's a way to show ISIS that nothing can break their spirit as a nation?
You don't really believe that, surely? There are American soldiers on record that have admitted they tortured and killed innocent civilians in Afghanastan, Iraq and other places simply because they were bored (and trained to be killing machines).
stop trying to integrate illegal immigrants after an attack shows the very thing they're fleeing in their home country?
f**king hell
reactionary attitudes seem to be a popular thing on the caf now.
I think it's people opportunistically and callously using a tragedy to push their agenda more than anything else. Describing that is reactionary is being kind.
that's not rank and file catholic girls my good man. and the whole catholic thing , being of french heritage and born into it , is now a dying religion for those very reasons , ffs why wouldn't it. it's something to do with evolution or enlightenment to me. sooner or later we'll all get to a better place without religion or tribalism. peace maybe.
Yeah, I mean I'm just surprised. It's going to be crazily emotional
I still cannot believe all of this happened yesterday, it's just so surreal and it all happened so fast.
Of course. When I was leaving work yesterday a lot of French tourist stood in the middle of Time Square looking at what was unfolding in their country. I'll never forget that helpless look on their faces.
It's all about personal choice. If a woman wants to cover herself completely from head to toe and isn't being forced to do so by other people, that's her right. I think the problem is because we hear that in some places, women who don't want to live that way are being forced away from work and education and into drudgery and cover-up clothing.
The nuns in your hometown convent are in a different situation as they feel called to that silent, contemplative, celibate life - they don't have to become nuns or be nuns in closed orders and no-one forces them to do it. It's actually pretty difficult to get into a convent, they only take you if you're absolutely sure it's the life for you.
A few criticized the journalist filming yesterday, but he did came down to help the injured as soon as he felt it was safe, and was actually shot in the arm (from a window of the Bataclan) when pulling someone to the inside of his house.
Right and how many nuns have turned out to be suicide bombers ?
I've just read a report that the first explosion at the stadium came after a man wearing a bomb vest tried to enter the stadium with a ticket 15 minutes after the match started. Security found the bomb and then he detonated it.
I am struggling to understand how the match was allowed to continue and nothing was done to warn or protect the people inside the stadium. At least one more bomber tried to get in.
I am struggling to understand how the match was allowed to continue and nothing was done to warn or protect the people inside the stadium. At least one more bomber tried to get in.
Not sure why they kept playing but what makes you think nothing was done to protect the people inside the stadium? The very fact that security discovered the bomb means that something was done?
Leaving 50k people leave the stadium under the threat of suicide bombs would have been a massacre. Not only, there might have been terrorists waiting there, but the possibility for an another Hillsborough would have been quite high.
Considering that both suicide bombers were stopped, I think that the authorities did something.
Why did he tried to enter 15 min late when he surely could easiy infiltrate into crowd before the kick-off. Not that I am not happy that he didn't managed to get into the stadium but I just wondered that when I read he did tried to enter 15 min late.
Also I wonder if other two wanted to get into a stadium after the first one but only after first guy failed to enter they decided to blew themselves.
Some of you are over estimating the 'choice' made by many women to enter convents, in Ireland at least, down the generations I feel.
Not to mention how many Catholic parents forced their kids to follow their faith at least to the same degree as Muslims.
Also as far as I know plenty of women choose to wear hijab.
It is a fair point that no one should be forced to follow any religion all the same.
Not many, but a fair few were abusers of children and women, and had some pretty questionable roles the adoption/sale of babies over the years.
Not to mention how many Catholic parents forced their kids to follow their faith at least to the same degree as Muslims.
Also as far as I know plenty of women choose to wear hijab.
It is a fair point that no one should be forced to follow any religion all the same.
Not many, but a fair few were abusers of children and women, and had some pretty questionable roles the adoption/sale of babies over the years.
I'd imagine it was safer for the crowd to be unaware of the potential threat. The ploy may have been to cause panic in the hope that everyone would run outside in a stamped, then take the crowd out one by one with bullets or have multiple suicide bombers waiting.