It's also a load of bollocks, thankfully. Just some idiot on a WUM.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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It's also a load of bollocks, thankfully. Just some idiot on a WUM.
I'm aware that Africa has its problems, yes. But suicide vests, city centre strikes and the use of social media propaganda in an attempt to influence the masses is exclusive to Islam. The nature of the attack last night is generally exclusive to Islam.
Religion is a vacuum in which these people justify their depravity, hence it's also to blame, albeit I acknowledge it's a secondary product of wider political problems.
If they despise Western people and Western culture that much, the door is always open for them to go back to where they belong and never come back. Western countries don't need ungrateful cnuts like them while there are plenty of other immigrants from different backgrounds who have zero issues with the local culture/society although they may also have little education.
Sorry to be that blunt, but I can't put that in other words when I think of such people.
This.
You realise that the reason they hate us is because we murder them without bias, right? You seem to think they should be thankful for us bombing them or killing them in drone strikes. I've never read anything so ignorant in my life. I would rather have a Muslim immigrant with a legitimate anger at the fact that we bomb his family on a regular basis stood next to me than someone like you who seems to think if they hate being shot at, killed and bombed then they should feck off.
Well put.
Probably this, the guys who took down TalkTalk wrote a pretty chilling message on Reddit claiming to be ISIS then it turned out to be a couple of under 16 kids in Ireland.
I don't have to endure this apolgist shit any longer. You're a disgusting person.
This x1000000
You think that being angry at being killed for nothing is wrong. And I'm the disgusting person. Get a grip of yourself.
Did you really ban him for that? Couldn't disagree with you any more by the way.
I didn't ban him at all. I'm a newbie mod, not a mains one. I don't have the power to ban people here.
That is a ridiculous thing to claim. We can't put in a qualifier that every time someone criticize Islam, they need to pass a judgement on other religions as well. I agree with Sultan/Neutral that now is not the time to dwell into this topic so I will leave this for now but Islam absolutely needs a reform movement, whether other religions do or don't has no effect on that fact.
Didn't want to read stuff on redcafe last night about this as I know it would upset me far too much reading about it constantly.
Received a BBC News alert on my phone about the start of it - next time I looked at my phone it was 60 dead, then it went above 100 the next time I checked.
Absolutely surreal. The world we live in is just incredible. Thoughts are with anyone affected by the tragedy and with Paris as a whole.
Received a BBC News alert on my phone about the start of it - next time I looked at my phone it was 60 dead, then it went above 100 the next time I checked.
Absolutely surreal. The world we live in is just incredible. Thoughts are with anyone affected by the tragedy and with Paris as a whole.
Most people calling for a reform in Islam don't know anything about Islam or religio
African tribes dony have oil rich sugar daddys backing them or they would be doing the same. But you are missing the point. Its misinterpretation of religion. If I want to use young ostracized poor and jobless people for my own benefit i can do it using religion. I can do it and call it Islam or Christianity. In that case its not religion that's the problem but the person who is misinterpreting the text and the circumstances that give birth to disgruntled youth that is the real problem. The combined forces of Isis bolo haram al quaeda make up 0.0003% of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Then this is not a problem of religion..its something else.
BBC live tracker reporting a Syrian passport found on one of the attackers. Given how rubbish BBC were last night, I'm sincerely hoping that this isn't true given the backlash that would occur 
http://www.joe.ie/news/the-islamic-...-for-paris-attacks-in-online-statement/519483
ISIS statement in full (as translated by news.siteintelgroup.com)
Urgent: Statement about the Blessed Paris Invasion on the French Crusaders
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
The Almighty said: “And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah's (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).” [Al-Hashr: 2]
In a blessed attack for which Allah facilitated the causes for success, a faithful group of the soldiers of the Caliphate, may Allah dignify it and make it victorious, launched out, targeting the capital of prostitution and obscenity, the carrier of the banner of the Cross in Europe, Paris… Youths who divorced the world and went to their enemy seeking to be killed in the cause of Allah, in support of His religion and His Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and his charges, and to put the nose of His enemies in the ground. So they were honest with Allah, we consider them thusly, and Allah conquered through their hands and cast in the hearts of the Crusaders horror in the middle of their land, where eight brothers wrapped in explosive belts and armed with machine rifles, targeted sites that were accurately chosen in the heart of the capital of France, including the Stade de France during the match between the Crusader German and French teams, where the fool of France, Francois Hollande, was present.
[They also targeted] the Bataclan Conference Center, where hundreds of apostates had gathered in a profligate prostitution party, and other areas in the 10th and 11th and 18th [arrondissements] and in a coordinated fashion. So Paris shook under their feet, and its streets were tight upon them, and the result of the attacks was the death of no less than 100 Crusaders and the wounding of more than those, and unto Allah is all praise and gratitude.
Allah had granted our brothers their wish and gave them what they loved, for they detonated their belts in the gatherings of the disbelievers after running out of ammunition, we ask Allah to accept them among the martyrs and make us follow them.
Let France and those who walk in its path know that they will remain on the top of the list of targets of the Islamic State, and that the smell of death will never leave their noses as long as they lead the convoy of the Crusader campaign, and dare to curse our Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and are proud of fighting Islam in France and striking the Muslims in the land of the Caliphate with their planes, which did not help them at all in the streets of Paris and its rotten alleys. This attack is the first of the storm and a warning to those who wish to learn.
Allah is Great
“But honor, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad), and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not.” [From Al-Munafiqun: 8]
ISIS statement in full (as translated by news.siteintelgroup.com)
Urgent: Statement about the Blessed Paris Invasion on the French Crusaders
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
The Almighty said: “And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah's (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).” [Al-Hashr: 2]
In a blessed attack for which Allah facilitated the causes for success, a faithful group of the soldiers of the Caliphate, may Allah dignify it and make it victorious, launched out, targeting the capital of prostitution and obscenity, the carrier of the banner of the Cross in Europe, Paris… Youths who divorced the world and went to their enemy seeking to be killed in the cause of Allah, in support of His religion and His Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and his charges, and to put the nose of His enemies in the ground. So they were honest with Allah, we consider them thusly, and Allah conquered through their hands and cast in the hearts of the Crusaders horror in the middle of their land, where eight brothers wrapped in explosive belts and armed with machine rifles, targeted sites that were accurately chosen in the heart of the capital of France, including the Stade de France during the match between the Crusader German and French teams, where the fool of France, Francois Hollande, was present.
[They also targeted] the Bataclan Conference Center, where hundreds of apostates had gathered in a profligate prostitution party, and other areas in the 10th and 11th and 18th [arrondissements] and in a coordinated fashion. So Paris shook under their feet, and its streets were tight upon them, and the result of the attacks was the death of no less than 100 Crusaders and the wounding of more than those, and unto Allah is all praise and gratitude.
Allah had granted our brothers their wish and gave them what they loved, for they detonated their belts in the gatherings of the disbelievers after running out of ammunition, we ask Allah to accept them among the martyrs and make us follow them.
Let France and those who walk in its path know that they will remain on the top of the list of targets of the Islamic State, and that the smell of death will never leave their noses as long as they lead the convoy of the Crusader campaign, and dare to curse our Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and are proud of fighting Islam in France and striking the Muslims in the land of the Caliphate with their planes, which did not help them at all in the streets of Paris and its rotten alleys. This attack is the first of the storm and a warning to those who wish to learn.
Allah is Great
“But honor, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad), and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not.” [From Al-Munafiqun: 8]
Islam has many sects. Some sects (wahabism and salafism) need to be wiped off the surface of this planet. The rest need as much reform as any other religion does. The question here is not religion but the circumstances that are created which lead to youth being used in the name of religion.
I'm writing this whilst sitting in my GF's apartment, about 1 minute away from where Theo Van Gogh was murdered in an area of Amsterdam with a large North African/Middle Eastern community, and I can assure you that you are vastly exaggerating. It's bit like saying all football fans are mindless hooligans.
The reason why France is such a vulnerable target for these types of attacks is because of the amount of firearms on the streets in France coupled with extermely alienated immigrant communities, up to an extent which is unique in Europe. (Belgian is also vulnerable because of the ease in which you can smuggle fire arms from across the border.)
What I do find difficult to understand is the total lack of empathy in certain posts in this thread towards the completely innocent victims of these attacks. Anybody with half a decent bone in their body cannot help to be horrified and disgusted by these attacks, just as one would feel about these kind of atrocities happening elsewhere in the World.
Terrorism has no religion and people lumping Islam and ISIS together are just hateful and racist twats.
Thank you. That's not going to change most mind sets though. People are hell bent on bashing islam whereas the problem lies somewhere else altogether
You can tell whoever wrote that ISIS statement is a complete wanker who's never had any fun in his life. It also makes pretty clear that for all the talk of western intervention and bombing, it's our way of life they hate more than anything else.
As an aside, Josh Homme is missing a trick if he doesn't call his next album "Profligate Prostitution Party".
As an aside, Josh Homme is missing a trick if he doesn't call his next album "Profligate Prostitution Party".
Not even South Park would have managed to write this.
The sad thing is that they most likely wrote this on straight face, and believing every word they were saying.
Couldn't even finish reading that statement. It's nauseating reading that nonsense and dribble.
The argument that they're doing this because we've 'bombed' their families is quite shakey. You really can't pinpoint the reasons, its a cumulative succession of reasons.
Individuals in these groups will each have their own reasons. And unfortunately once the ball is rolling its not going to stop. In our case we are in somewhat of a catch 22, ignoring this threat and leaving them alone will give it traction over the middle east. However going in and crushing it personally will not eradicate it either, it will spawn new people with new reasons to attack us. And then theres doing what we are currently doing, supporting a side over there, trying to affect the outcome from a distance. But again, they will still attack us for doing this.
The question is which conclusion can hinder / minimalize these terrorists the most.
Individuals in these groups will each have their own reasons. And unfortunately once the ball is rolling its not going to stop. In our case we are in somewhat of a catch 22, ignoring this threat and leaving them alone will give it traction over the middle east. However going in and crushing it personally will not eradicate it either, it will spawn new people with new reasons to attack us. And then theres doing what we are currently doing, supporting a side over there, trying to affect the outcome from a distance. But again, they will still attack us for doing this.
The question is which conclusion can hinder / minimalize these terrorists the most.
BBC live tracker reporting a Syrian passport found on one of the attackers. Given how rubbish BBC were last night, I'm sincerely hoping that this isn't true given the backlash that would occur
What backlash?.The French are already bombing Syria and the UK are not getting involved any time soon.
He means given the amount of Syrian refugees entering Europe recently and at the moment.
Poor misguided, brainwashed idiots that think they're fighting for a greater cause.
It's not as black and white as blaming Islam or Western Foreign Policy. These people are destroying world Heritage sites as well. How do you politicise that? There is a need to understand the mindset of these vulnerable young men. We need to reach out to them and educate them and give them something to live for, rather than some false cause to kill and die for.
It's not as black and white as blaming Islam or Western Foreign Policy. These people are destroying world Heritage sites as well. How do you politicise that? There is a need to understand the mindset of these vulnerable young men. We need to reach out to them and educate them and give them something to live for, rather than some false cause to kill and die for.
This.
The argument that they're doing this because we've 'bombed' their families is quite shakey. You really can't pinpoint the reasons, its a cumulative succession of reasons.
Individuals in these groups will each have their own reasons. And unfortunately once the ball is rolling its not going to stop. In our case we are in somewhat of a catch 22, ignoring this threat and leaving them alone will give it traction over the middle east. However going in and crushing it personally will not eradicate it either, it will spawn new people with new reasons to attack us. And then theres doing what we are currently doing, supporting a side over there, trying to affect the outcome from a distance. But again, they will still attack us for doing this.
The question is which conclusion can hinder / minimalize these terrorists the most.
Noone said that. The point was around why people who live in countries that we spend decades bombing and killing innocent people in, hate us. According to Kakeru, instead of having a legitimate anger against us for helping to create the conditions that caused them to leave whilst they seek a better life 'the door is always open for them to go back to where they belong'. Where they belong. Apparently they belong under our bombs.
With regards to the people in charge of this attack, no you can't really pinpoint the reasons - despite peoples best efforts to. There are barbaric people out there and there's a combination of many factors that leads to things like this, hopefully Paris can come together to start recovering.
Against refugees now in Europe.
Scary world that we live in, now.
Why people can't seem to separate Extremists and Religion confuses me, These ISIS bastards have been brainwashed into these actions and are told that is what Allah wants them to do.
This is not the behaviour of the vast majority of Muslims, to think so and to brand a whole religion as Terrorists is fecking stupid.
Why people can't seem to separate Extremists and Religion confuses me, These ISIS bastards have been brainwashed into these actions and are told that is what Allah wants them to do.
This is not the behaviour of the vast majority of Muslims, to think so and to brand a whole religion as Terrorists is fecking stupid.
Are you even aware what century we are in right now? And there have been loads of terrorist attacks done by non-muslims groups.Can you please tell me what reason they had to massacre over 3000 people in the Twin Towers?
I know America support Israel but it seems a bit disproportionate to me. My point is that these nutters will invent reasons if they don't have any legitimate ones.
They just hate the way of living of the kuffar, which in itself is quite contradicting as they await their 72 virgins with who they'll have endless sex in heaven, which sounds a bit like a real capital of prostitution if I'm being honest.
But that's probably just me.
You answered your own post. All you have to do is some basic maths to understand that even if 1% of Muslims believe in ISIS then that's 16 million people which seems far too high a number. 8 million would be 0.5%, I could carry on but you get the idea. To label an entire religion as terrorists because 0.5% or lower are extremists is absurd, but I go back to the bolded words in your post.
Very well put.
I feel very suspicious about this 'found Syrian passport' thing...
Wouldn't a bomb vest probably shred what the bomber might have on them? And wouldn't you plan to make the security forces' job more difficult post-event by removing things that might identify you prior to action?
Wouldn't a bomb vest probably shred what the bomber might have on them? And wouldn't you plan to make the security forces' job more difficult post-event by removing things that might identify you prior to action?
You're confusing two issues, which I don't blame you for. I was discussing with Kakeru why there is a hatred for us in the Middle East based on our actions over the last decade - not why terrorists are carrying out attacks on our soil.
What an utterly mind numbingly stupid statement that was. It reads like a parody.
This.