Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th

Terrible situation. RIP. :(

Just one thing - wish people were more considerate at times like this, and focus on the tragedy and the people that lost their lives, and the families whose loved ones were taken away from them. Instead of plotting revenge or bombing entire nations to perpetuate the cycle of hatred. Systemic genocide is not the way to cleanse the world we live in. That's just how you create even more potential bombers and terrorist groups. It's not about killing the terrorists in their physical form, because as long as their twisted ideology survives there will never be true peace.
 
Just woke up to this horrific news. Thankfully via fb I've learned that many of my friends and family are safe, I'm still checking. I have no words when it comes to nightmares like these.
 
All of this is on Americas conscience. They have destroyed so many middle eastern countries while trying to justify it with so many lies about weapons of mass distraction and whatever tickles their fancy when it comes to invading a country. While we all know it all comes down to their greed.

During the oh so urgent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the US basically spent the whole time looking for ways to work around the rules of the Geneva convention because nothing is more important in life than getting these "terrorists". Previously banned torture against anyone was basically told to be ok because nothing is more important than getting info from these guys and their schemes to destroy they west. Waterboarding? The Vice President of America at the time said in an interview it is an ugly nessecity. The whole Dilawar debacle was a result of what these guys were told to do, and ultimately became fall guys for orders they received from Donald Rumsfeld directly. Guess how many people who were put through years of hell in these countries were actually terrorists against the U S of A. 5%. Yep 5 fecking percent. Imagine if a single American citizen was tortured like this, how much outrage would there be?

Imagine you had any family member who was taken from his home by a foreigner and kept in captivity, being tortured all day every day for years while all he has done all his life is work on a farm. He either dies on Americas watch, or gets shipped to Guantanamo Bay or gets released with more mental problems than anyone can imagine.

What's going to happen as a result? His whole family and friends who used to live an honest life are going to lose their shit and decide that the west are not going to get away with this without some repercussions. For every innocent man they captured and tortured during this time, they probably pissed off 50 times as many other people that they would be willing to give their life to get their own back. And this is why shit like this is happening in Europe right now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying these people killing innocent people as backlash for all this shit, but what I have mentioned above is pretty much the exact reason this happens. Makes me sick to my stomach.

I'll probably be destroyed for posting this but this is how I've felt about this for years.
 
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really sad news this. Always makes me think what makes people do these types of acts, just meaningless killing.

RIP to all those that have lost their lives.
 
Some hypocrisy in this thread, if its not okay to blame a religion for this attack and then its also not okay to blame USA for this attack.

Absolutely horrific attack this though and reminds me so much of the Mumbai attacks. Hopefully the French Govt learns from this unlike the Indian Govt which didn't do anything substantive after this.
 
Maxii said:
All of this is on Americas conscience. They have destroyed so many middle eastern countries while trying to justify it with so many lies about weapons of mass distraction and whatever tickles their fancy when it comes to invading a country. While we all know it all comes down to their greed.

During the oh so urgent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the US basically spent the whole time looking for ways to work around the rules of the Geneva convention because nothing is more important in life than getting these "terrorists". Previously banned torture against anyone was basically told to be ok because nothing is more important than getting info from these guys and there schemes to destroy they west. Waterboarding? The Vice President of America at the time said in an interview it is an ugly nessecity. The whole Dilawar debacle was a result of what these guys were told to do, and ultimately became fall guys for orders they received from Donald Rumsfeld directly. Guess how many people who were put through years of hell in these countries were actually terrorists against the U S of A. 5%. Yep 5 fecking percent. Imagine if a single American citizen was tortued like this, how much outrage would there be?

Imagine you had any family member who was taken from his home by a foreigner and kept in captivity, being tortured all day every day for years while all he has done all his life is work on a farm. He either dies on Americas watch, or gets shipped to Guantanamo Bay or gets released with more mental problems than anyone can imagine.

What's going to happen as a result? His whole family and friends who used to live an honest life are going to lose their shit and decide that the west are not going to get away with this without some repercussions. For every innocent man they captured and tortured during this time, they probably pissed off 50 times as many other people that they would be willing to give their life to get their own back. And this is why shit like this is happening in Europe right now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying these people killing innocent people as backlash for all this shit, but what I have mentioned above is pretty much the exact reason this happens. Makes me sick to my stomach.

I'll probably be destroyed for posting this but this is how I've felt about this for years.
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You tacitly are by shifting the blame from the perpetrators to geopolitics.
 
absolutely terrible news :(

thankfully whoever was involved fecked up at stade fance, pretty clear to me that the match alongside the concert hall were the big targets with the other smaller shootings designed as diversions for police and to ensure some attacks were carried out if the security at the larger events foiled them. god knows what the death toll and carnage would have been had they got into the stadium or managed to detonate whilst thousands were leaving.
 
Absolute nonsense by some justifying or trying to avoid naming the actual root cause in this case. Whatever America's faults about ME, this is all about A religion.
 
Raoul said:
You tacitly are by shifting the blame from the perpetrators to geopolitics.
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Nothing tacit about it....though it did take whole 4 paragraphs of text to rationalize murdering people sitting down to eat dinner.
 
KM said:
Some hypocrisy in this thread, if its not okay to blame a religion for this attack and then its also not okay to blame USA for this attack.

Absolutely horrific attack this though and reminds me so much of the Mumbai attacks. Hopefully the French Govt learns from this unlike the Indian Govt which didn't do anything substantive after this.
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Exactly the only ones to blame here are the cowards and scums that killed so many innocent people. There are no words to describe these things. I won't even refer to them as human beings because they're not.
 
Raoul said:
You tacitly are by shifting the blame from the perpetrators to geopolitics.
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The two are connected, though. You can't even begin to excuse what took place in Paris any more than you can try and justify 9/11, but it isn't wrong to look at American (and/or European) actions in the middle east as a contributory factor to all of this.
 
I've been following it in silence for hours now - shocked, angry and scared in equal measure. Have a lot of work friends in Paris and thankfully, most of them have popped up as safe on social media this morning.

Really makes me think about living or raising children in a large city. There is just no way of preparing for evil lunatics opening fire on a theatre, concert, restaurant or football match.

I can't agree with a lot of the comments made in this thread, criticising French police and intelligence agencies. Rather than expecting these people to thwart every one of these attacks, I am in awe at how much they do manage to prevent. I'm full of respect for whoever managed to stop the attacker approaching the stadium before he got inside or before the crowds got out.

The people coordinating these incidents are not braindead. They are not chatting to each other about their plans on mobile phones or googling "how to make a suicide bomb". This is 6 guys meeting twice a week in a house, smuggling in a case of assault rifles on a boat to a quiet beach or under the floor of a truck, and then opening fire on unarmed civilians in congested areas. They're not buying suspicious, high grade explosives but making crude suicide vests out of everyday products.

How the hell do you stop that if enough "cells" are doing it? You stop 1, 2, 5 or 20 cells but all it takes is one to slip through unnoticed and you get last night. How do you stop one guy in 50 thousand at a football match? Or one guy in 1500 at a concert? It's unfathomable.

People were criticising police for not storming the theatre earlier but as soon as they did, the hostage takers detonated themselves. A number of people managed to escape before that who may have lost their lives had the police gone in the second they arrived. 4 of those police officers lost their lives.
 
KM said:
Some hypocrisy in this thread, if its not okay to blame a religion for this attack and then its also not okay to blame USA for this attack.

Absolutely horrific attack this though and reminds me so much of the Mumbai attacks. Hopefully the French Govt learns from this unlike the Indian Govt which didn't do anything substantive after this.
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Scarlett Dracarys said:
Exactly the only ones to blame here are the cowards and scums that killed so many innocent people. There are no words to describe these things. I won't even refer to them as human beings because they're not.
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So true.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
The two are connected, though. You can't even begin to excuse what took place in Paris any more than you can try and justify 9/11, but it isn't wrong to look at American (and/or European) actions in the middle east as a contributory factor to all of this.
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Well technically most thing are connected, but that won't buy the families of the victims much comfort.
 
Raoul said:
Well technically most thing are connected, but that won't buy the families of the victims much comfort.
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No, which is why I don't really want to get into it. It's an irrelevancy as of now, but in a few weeks, after the dust has somewhat settled, anyone looking for answers as to "why" could reasonably gaze over the various geopolitical happenings of the last 20-30 years (or 10-15 even). That, along with murderous, unfeeling and cowardly scum who decide they have a right to kill. Finding an ancillary cause in a wider geopolitical context also doesn't change the fact that the root cause lies with whatever justification these people thought they had -- in a word, the terrorists should always be the first people to be blamed. Everything else is secondary.
 
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In my neighbourhood 4 youths (!) went to Syria of whom 2 are reported to be dead. Where does this loyalty to IS come from? There is a whole generation of young men with Middle-Eastern and African roots that have solidarity with Islamic extremists. Is it purely because of the Western troops in the Middle-East?
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They are in my country and I can't even understand what IS wants, believe me we had our share of terrorist attacks from them against us muslims so I don't get what they are trying to achieve but they are making us look so bad, R.I.P to all of those who died in Paris yesterday.
 
Absolutely horrific and tragic news. My thoughts are with the families of those killed and injured.

The perpetrators are simply cowards, sub-humans.
 
These morons are simply damaging our faith and making our lives harder.
 
Sultan said:
These morons are simply damaging our faith and making our lives harder.
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yep :( i have every sympathy.

unfortunately there will be a similar number of idiots who identify all muslims as the root problem and cause of all the evil done on nights like this and will retaliate.
 
in the right thread this time. top post on the reddit live thread is pretty harrowing (if true)-

 
France can eliminate isis by arming assad to the teeth. We all know thats not going to happen, instead they'll still indirectly aid isis.
 
Jesus Christ, went to sleep with about 10 casualties reported, woke up with atleast 120. Were the hostages in Bataclan slaughtered by this subhuman scum?

May God take care of the victims and their families, horrible day.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
The two are connected, though. You can't even begin to excuse what took place in Paris any more than you can try and justify 9/11, but it isn't wrong to look at American (and/or European) actions in the middle east as a contributory factor to all of this.
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As are the actions of Iran and Syria by feeding conflict in Iraq by funneling jihadis, weapons, money, and support into Iraq after the fall of Saddam. The vast majority of foreign AQI fighters came to Iraq via Syria with the help of Assad's intelligence agencies. He let Syrian jihadis out of prison and sent them to Iraq with training and weapons.
 
If we're gonna blame the US, we might as well blame the UK for the partition of the Middle East, or France for the screwup that is the Algerian War. All pointless activities, mind.
 
The Man Himself said:
Absolute nonsense by some justifying or trying to avoid naming the actual root cause in this case. Whatever America's faults about ME, this is all about A religion.
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Yes.

Unfortunately radical Islam is becoming a scourge of modernity. It is like Fascism, spreading and causing death on a frightening scale. Unfortunately it is an ideology so deep rooted that I cannot see a conceivable solution to eradicate it.
 
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