Our Rivals Squad's next year - Liverpool 2015/2016

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Maagge said:
So with Gomez apparently being first choice as left-back in these first few fixtures you seem to be about to offload Enrique, which is obviously the sensible thing to do. Do you scousers reckon you need to bring in someone like Digne or will Gomez and Moreno do for now? I suppose Flanagan and Sahko could cover as well.
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We have been trying to offload Enrique for ages and still been unable to.
Gomez is given the first game and rightly so. I suspect the initial plan was to send him on loan but he impressed so much during pre-season.

I don't think we will sign another left back unless Moreno was being sold, since that goal he scored against Tottenham he never reached a level of consistency, maybe needs more time.

It will still be a long time before Flanagan is fit.
 
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Maagge said:
So with Gomez apparently being first choice as left-back in these first few fixtures you seem to be about to offload Enrique, which is obviously the sensible thing to do. Do you scousers reckon you need to bring in someone like Digne or will Gomez and Moreno do for now? I suppose Flanagan and Sahko could cover as well.
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Digne is supposedly going to Roma on a year loan with the option to buy.

Enrique isn't even training with the squad now (ditto Balotelli and Borini), all having been told to find new clubs.

I think we have other priorities than LB TBH (a more defensive minded midfielder for starters - maybe you can lend us whoever you're not using out of Carrick, Schneiderlin or Schweinsteiger) ? Gomez, Moreno, Flanno (back around December) and Sakho will get us through this one and maybe Gomez will nail the spot for his own.
 
johnny boy said:
We have been trying to offload Enrique for ages and still been unable to.
It's odd we spent around £16m on Moreno and yet young Gomez is given the first game having cost mush less. I suspect the initial plan was to send him on loan but he impressed so much during pre-season.
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£12m
 
Dumbstar said:
:eek: Really, you're a fan of his? Welcome to this very small and exclusive club where the highlight is to be spat at, kicked and generally mocked. :)

Coutinho and Hazard would not work at Chelsea. He'd make a half-decent addition if forever whatever reason Hazard wanted to leave but not together. Similary, Coutinho and Neymar don't work so well together for Brazil either.
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Yeah, he has a clear game plan and his teams tend to play a nice style of football. In my opinion he can establish a better brand of football than Wenger, without compromising the defensive aspects of the game that much. Generally I am expecting Liverpool and Spurs to get stronger if they stick with their managers, despite being financially disadvantaged.

I don't necessarily think that Hazard and Coutinho would work together unless Coutinho changes his game a lot. But who knows, maybe Hazard picks up an injury or is picked up by Madrid.
 
Truedevil said:
This will end well.
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As I expected we were a lot more solid without Gerrard. Hendo and Milner did not allow Adam a free pass to walk through our midfield at will this time. And when Can came on to make it 4-3-3 Stoke could not handle the intensity and tenacity of our (defensive) midfield. As close to boringly solid as Chelsea in the past.

Conversely, needs more work as an attacking unit without Gerrard there to provide some inspirational passes. But that may come when Coutinho shakes off his cobwebs and Firmino is a firm fixture in the starting XI. Didn't enjoy the long ball game we played for 75 minutes, which was the fear I had of signing Benteke (though that's not his fault obviously, just a byproduct).
 
johnny boy said:
We have been trying to offload Enrique for ages and still been unable to.
It's odd we spent around £16m on Moreno and yet young Gomez is given the first game having cost mush less. I suspect the initial plan was to send him on loan but he impressed so much during pre-season.

I don't think we will sign another left back unless Moreno was being sold.
It will still be a long time before Flanagan is fit.
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Given he arrived as a CB more than a LB I guess you're right about the initial plan being either loaning him out or let him be back-up/get minutes here and there. But if he's playing better than Moreno there's no reason not to use him. Although the coming run of away games at least will test him and he might be out of his depth then. Good chance for Moreno to win his spot back I suppose.
Rafateria said:
Digne is supposedly going to Roma on a year loan with the option to buy.

Enrique isn't even training with the squad now (ditto Balotelli and Borini), all having been told to find new clubs.

I think we have other priorities than LB TBH (a more defensive minded midfielder for starters - maybe you can lend us whoever you're not using out of Carrick, Schneiderlin or Schweinsteiger) ? Gomez, Moreno, Flanno (back around December) and Sakho will get us through this one and maybe Gomez will nail the spot for his own.
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What's the news on them finding new clubs?

Given our injury record I think we'll see Blind and Schneiderlin playing the #6 a few times, although that spot is meant for one of Carrick and Schweini. I'm not confident we can spare any of them. And we're obviously not going to help you guys out. ;)
 
Maagge said:
Given he arrived as a CB more than a LB I guess you're right about the initial plan being either loaning him out or let him be back-up/get minutes here and there. But if he's playing better than Moreno there's no reason not to use him. Although the coming run of away games at least will test him and he might be out of his depth then. Good chance for Moreno to win his spot back I suppose.
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Still has to be question marks over Moreno though, may be just a case of taking time settling into a new league/country. I suspect we haven't so far signed a left back purely because Gomez has impressed.
 
Maagge said:
What's the news on them finding new clubs?

Given our injury record I think we'll see Blind and Schneiderlin playing the #6 a few times, although that spot is meant for one of Carrick and Schweini. I'm not confident we can spare any of them. And we're obviously not going to help you guys out. ;)
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There are reports out today that Enrique is apparently wanted by West Brom. Either way, I think none of those three players will feature for us this season.

LB is a difficult one, I still like Moreno and Gomez has looked promising, but I wouldn't mind Digne at Liverpool. Gomez will inevitably have his share of bad spells as well, and it's unsure if Moreno can step it up to regain his spot in the team. But given that Digne would probably hinder Gomez' development and the fact that Flannagan as wel as Sakho could slot in at left back, it's not the position we need to strengthen right now. Like Rafateria, I'd rather we signed a DM. We looked a lot better yesterday with Can behind Milner and Henderson.
 
Maagge said:
Given he arrived as a CB more than a LB I guess you're right about the initial plan being either loaning him out or let him be back-up/get minutes here and there. But if he's playing better than Moreno there's no reason not to use him. Although the coming run of away games at least will test him and he might be out of his depth then. Good chance for Moreno to win his spot back I suppose.
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After having seen Gomez play 5 times now I can't see any way Moreno is going to win back his place. He'll be used in cups and the EL I imagine. Probably sold next Summer.

Maagge said:
What's the news on them finding new clubs?;)
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Balotelli : supposedly 2 Italian clubs showing interest, we're going to lose about £10m for sure.
Borini : supposedly an Italian club and West Ham showing interest. Figure being mentioned is around £7m.
Enrique : quite a few online porn sites interested in his selfies.
 
johnny boy said:
Still has to be question marks over Moreno though, may be just a case of taking time settling into a new league/country. I suspect we haven't so far signed a left back purely because Gomez has impressed.
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Yeah that's sort of the feeling I'm getting as well. That he probably isn't quite as good as you had hoped.
 
Rafateria said:
And I'm embarrassed for you because it seems you haven't been watching the team you purportedly support if you didn't know
a) that Gomez can play LB
b) that he's seriously good
c) make inane comments about comparing Shaw to Moreno & Enrique. I've already said that Moreno is behind both Shaw and Gomez. I also said we'll have to see how Gomez goes for a few weeks first but I wasn't prepared to put Shaw ahead just yet.
d) just seems I am better at assessing player potential than you, don't get upset, not your fault.
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a) Can can play at CB, but he's still a midfielder.
b) He's played one competitive game, and while he did look very good for most of it, it wasn't without incident, and it was only against (an improved) Stoke.
c) Shaw's proven, in a sense. Gomez isn't (yet). Lets give it some time before comparing the two, shall we?
d) Or perhaps I should just bow to your superior scouting & talent spotting skills. We've signed the next Paolo Maldini? Woo!

Perhaps you can see things I can't - More power to you if you can. All I've seen is an 18 year old have one good competitive game against a midtable side, and a few preseason fixtures that mean little in the grand scheme of things. I'll be singing his praises a bit more when he's been doing it for a few weeks.
 
Maagge said:
Yeah that's sort of the feeling I'm getting as well. That he probably isn't quite as good as you had hoped.
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Many of us thought after he scored that good goal at White Hart Lane last season that we had sorted our left back problem for good, but it didn't turn out that way.

I suppose that in itself is a bit of a contradiction really as it's the defensive side that has let him down.

It's also the fact young Gomez so far has just stepped in and looked comfortable, though it's still very early to fully judge yet.
 
Maagge said:
Yeah that's sort of the feeling I'm getting as well. That he probably isn't quite as good as you had hoped.
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He's not. Great pace, but at the end of the day he's only ok going forwards and a bit mediocre defensively.

If he was a threat higher up the pitch, he'd be worthwhile, but he seems to be stuck between two stools as for what type of fullback he is.

He's a nice backup as he's not that bad either and has qualities. His spot is there for the taking though.
 
Dumbstar said:
Have you seen how absolute shit the 4 teams after Stoke have looked after this week? I'm not saying we'll win them all but come on, a bit of perspective.
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Ya, my bad. Just so used of seeing a hard run of games and jumping the gun but I agree with you although to be fair Liverpool looked terrible aswell apart from a piece of magic by Countinho they didn't deserve to take all 3 points.

But if we were to judge everyone by 1 game then England will suffer badly in Europe again.
 
Maagge said:
So with Gomez apparently being first choice as left-back in these first few fixtures you seem to be about to offload Enrique, which is obviously the sensible thing to do. Do you scousers reckon you need to bring in someone like Digne or will Gomez and Moreno do for now? I suppose Flanagan and Sahko could cover as well.
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I'd have liked Digne because Moreno needs competition for his spot.

Gomez seems to have leapfrogged him though and I can see the sense in leaving the spot open for him to challenge for it if we think he can do it.
 
UweBein said:
Yeah, Coutinho I would love at Chelsea. But he probably ain't a Mourinho type of player.
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In what way? He tracks back plenty. I think he would displace Oscar, given his regression.
 
Gomez was born in 1997. Fecking 1997. Christ, I feel old.
 
B20 said:
In what way? He tracks back plenty. I think he would displace Oscar, given his regression.
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Dribbles probably too much for Mourinho's liking.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I thought this miserable fecking shower were moaning about their start to the season, Stoke, Bournemouth and West Ham in their 1st 5, boo hoo.
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It wasn't so much our 'shower' moaning, it was more your 'shower' rejoicing at our fixtures. Comprende?
 
Waah, waaah!

Us: Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, Swansea, Your shower

Your shower: Stoke, Bournemouth, Arse, West Ham, Us

Both play 2 of the top 6, you have 2 mid table, but one promoted side, we have one mid table & two lower half. Seems pretty even to me.
 
@Sassy Colin I think the reason people had a bit of a moan/laugh (depending on perspective) over Liverpool's fixtures is the fact their first seven away games or so are tough as hell.
 
Does anyone know how serious the Henderson injury is? If he is out then I can see Arsenal scoring a few. Can and Milner will get overrun badly. Tbf Henderson and Milner would too - but it'll be worse without Henderson in there.
 
I haven't seen either Liverpool game. Just for the sake of my fantasy league team, I need to know, how comes Gomez is paying ahead of Moreno? Is this likely to be the way forward for Liverpool or is Moreno lacking match fitness?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I haven't seen either Liverpool game. Just for the sake of my fantasy league team, I need to know, how comes Gomez is paying ahead of Moreno? Is this likely to be the way forward for Liverpool or is Moreno lacking match fitness?
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I'm not entirely sure myself but I think it's just a case of Moreno not being good enough, I remember Moreno being quite poor in defence last season (including a crap game against United at Anfield). Gomez impressed in pre-season and they're deciding to stick with him, looks a real talent in my opinion.
 
Moreno, when he did come on, played at LM/LW and actually looked okay. I think he's a bit too attack minded for a team without a proper #6 and a fairly unstable backline.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I haven't seen either Liverpool game. Just for the sake of my fantasy league team, I need to know, how comes Gomez is paying ahead of Moreno? Is this likely to be the way forward for Liverpool or is Moreno lacking match fitness?
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Rodgers has just come out and said he wants a stable back 4 ... so Clyne-Skrtel-Lovren-Gomez it is. Personally I thought from the moment I watched him on tour he is a far more natural defender than Moreno, he isn't as good going forward but still has good feet and an eye for a pass. Defensively he is excellent, pacey, strong in the air, good positioning and awareness, a good passer long and short, very calm under pressure, maybe a top forward will tear him up once or twice this season, which he will learn from, he is only 18 yrs old after all. Long term a CB slot calls. He is going to be a top class player.

Very good article on him here : http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/q...to-Premier-League-Football-with-Relative-Ease
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Is Lovren still shite or he got his act together?
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Was solid against Stoke. Looked like old-Lovren from what I saw against Bournemouth though. I'd say the jury is still out this season.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Is Lovren still shite or he got his act together?
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Still shite and its baffling he's being picked ahead of our best defender who can't even make the matchday squad ahead of kolo fecking Toure, but it is what it is. Rodgers has always had a favouritism for certain players.
Would be much more comfortable with both Lucas and Sakho starting next week, not a fan of this Henderson-Milner duo at all.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Is Lovren still shite or he got his act together?
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Lovren will probably never stop being shit. But we've got better cover around him now (Hendo/Milner and Gomez to his left) so the 'smaller' clubs can't just waltz through anymore. Really not looking forward to teams like Arsenal tearing him and us a new one though. If you're going to target a specific area (like Bournemouth did with limited players) its to draw Gomez out wide probably with Bellerin and leave someone pacy (Ox, Sanchez, Walcott, take your pick) to have a free one on one run with Lovren.
Or turning it around, draw Gomez out wide with Ox, Sanchez, etc, and let Bellerin have a free run at Lovren to the line. Bellerin kind of did this last season for a free goal.
 
Dumbstar said:
Lovren will probably never stop being shit. But we've got better cover around him now (Hendo/Milner and Gomez to his left) so the 'smaller' clubs can't just waltz through anymore. Really not looking forward to teams like Arsenal tearing him and us a new one though. If you're going to target a specific area (like Bournemouth did with limited players) its to draw Gomez out wide probably with Bellerin and leave someone pacy (Ox, Sanchez, Walcott, take your pick) to have a free one on one run with Lovren.
Or turning it around, draw Gomez out wide with Ox, Sanchez, etc, and let Bellerin have a free run at Lovren to the line. Bellerin kind of did this last season for a free goal.
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Would you play Lucas against Arsenal? For me, it is something Rodgers has to consider against the better teams. Your defence needs better protection than what Milner/Henderson can give it.
 
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