Our Rivals Squad's next year - Liverpool 2015/2016

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Coutinho's more than decent.

He deserves to be at a CL club. I'd imagine this might be his last season at Liverpool.

He stands out in a painfully average Liverpool side.

Great goal today but I'd expect a top keeper to do better on it.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Coutinho's more than decent.

He deserves to be at a CL club. I'd imagine this might be his last season at Liverpool.

He stands out in a painfully average Liverpool side.

Great goal today but I'd expect a top keeper to do better on it.
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He's a very good player but it's getting to that stage where he's soon going to be rated as the best player in his position in Europe, there's signs of it already starting on the Caf.
 
Not the best of displays but it's the beginning of the season. We fought well and Stoke away is a very good 3 points. Good enough start to the season.

AltiUn said:
He didn't exactly have a great game, he just scored a nice goal which will be enough for the Scousers to keep thinking he's some type of demi-god.
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He's developed match winning ability - the most important thing. Could be a huge player for us this year.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Not the best of displays but it's the beginning of the season. We fought well and Stoke away is a very good 3 points. Good enough start to the season.



He's developed match winning ability - the most important thing. Could be a huge player for us this year.
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I'm not denying his talent, he's obviously very gifted and is going to be a huge player for you this year but people get carried away too easily, like with Herrera for United fans.
 
You looked a bit better when Lallana went off. He's a bit of a nothing player, isn't he?
 
AltiUn said:
I'm not denying his talent, he's obviously very gifted and is going to be a huge player for you this year but people get carried away too easily, like with Herrera for United fans.
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But he's not regarded as a 'demi-god' as you said, more a very talented footballer who needs polishing. It's important that he's developing the ability to decide games on a regular basis, which is huge for a player in his position.

DWelbz19 said:
You looked a bit better when Lallana went off. He's a bit of a nothing player, isn't he?
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The game passed him by really. It's a big season for him but I don't think he'll be starting every week once Firmino's up to scratch.
 
DWelbz19 said:
You looked a bit better when Lallana went off. He's a bit of a nothing player, isn't he?
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Lallana is weird. One day looks like a world-beater with insane control and the next someone who doesn't know how to play. And they paid an exorbitant price for him.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
The game passed him by really. It's a big season for him but I don't think he'll be starting every week once Firmino's up to scratch.
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Yeah, at his best he's a tricky little attacker with his nimble turns who can pop up with a goal every now and again, but he isn't really offering anything Firmino or Coutinho aren't/won't be.
 
DWelbz19 said:
You looked a bit better when Lallana went off. He's a bit of a nothing player, isn't he?
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I think that had more to do with Can gaining some control of central midfield, before that Henderson and Milner didn't seem to offer much as a pair.
 
Liverpool are just average from back to front and I will be shocked if they challenge for 4th this season.
 
First game of the season, lots of unfit players all over the park and the usual crap here about us, based on that, being really average. Strange how people can watch a match and feel and see nothing but hatred and bias blinding them to the details.

There were positives in a match of attrition. In defence Gomez, Lovren and Clyne all performed well. Gomez had a very good game for his PL debut, not faultless, but he looked far from out of place and is easily worthy of the LB slot.
In midfield Henderson looked as bad as he did pre-season but it's great to see the pressing game back with Milner making a big contribution to it. Ibe looks like he'll go on to have a stellar season once the team settles down. Firmino came on and showed some lovely tricks and skills, excited to see more once he gets fit.
Benteke at last means we have someone who can win the ball in the air, occupy both CBs and is an absolute beast on the ball, he contributed to us shading possession over the match by winning more than his fair share of headers in their half of the pitch. Once Coutinho/Firmino/Milner/Henderson work out how to play with him he's going to be ace. Can came on and made an instant impact in midfield, from about the 70 min onwards we were starting to control the game.
However, as I've mentioned before last season we had a powder-puff team unable to compete with physically powerful teams like Stoke - today we gave as good as we got, we now have far more presence and aren't going to be bullied by anyone this season. Long way to go but some positive signs .... and any team in the PL would be more than happy with a win at Stoke, the fact we edged all of the stats is just a plus.
 
Looked exactly the same as last season to me with slightly more energy as is to be expected with Clyne and Milner in place of Gerrard and Johnson. This 4-2-3-1 with Benteke as a lone forward is not going to work if we leave him isolated and don't support him with runners, that needs to change if we're playing with that type of forward because atm it looks like we've changed the personnel and hoped for the best, rather than changing the tactics.

Henderson-Milner duo just isn't going to work as evidenced by them both looking a thousand times better once Can came on and exerted some control in the middle of the park, allowing them to press and harry and play to there strengths, Milner in particular was excellent from that point on. Special mentions to Clyne and Gomez who were both unfazed and coped well and what else can you say about a goal like that, simply superb. Let's just hope we're not going to have to rely on magic goals like that to win us games every week.

Overall not convinced, and I think we'll end up tweaking a fair bit till we find something that works and gets the best out of all our players, but you can't complain with three points away at the Brittania.
 
I may be laughed at but I think with one or two additions they could be a very good team.
 
to be honest I thought they had a bit of resilience about them certainly lacking last season. Just need to keep Mario well away from a football pitch
 
clarkydaz said:
to be honest I thought they had a bit of resilience about them certainly lacking last season. Just need to keep Mario well away from a football pitch
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No chance.

 
Liverpool could be in a bad state after October

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Damn, that's harsh... Easily improved, though.

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Feeling more confident now.
 
Coutinho is some player. Can see him ending up at Barca when Iniesta goes.

Let's hope he's still playing Milneymar & Henderson as a midfield two when we play them. Because that isn't going to work.

That Gomez looked good too. Annoyingly composed and good for such a young player
 
I was pretty impressed with Gomez (apart from the back pass that got him & Mig into trouble). Certainly seen debuts go worse than that.
 
Tommy said:
I was pretty impressed with Gomez (apart from the back pass that got him & Mig into trouble). Certainly seen debuts go worse than that.
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Yeah he seemed alright from what I saw of the second half. Not sure how you tell Moreno that's he's a back up a year after a £12m move. He was so highly rated when he came as well. I guess it's a good thing we spent ridiculous sums on Shaw instead of experimenting on the likes of Moreno...

I can't see Liverpool coming close to the top 4 when you look at the squad. It's so far behind really. The Man City takeover has really destroyed Liverpool's competitive future in my opinion. It's an incredibly tough attempt to break into the top 4 now and even if you do the team losing out will spend huge amounts of money to get back in.
 
Attila said:
Yeah he seemed alright from what I saw of the second half. Not sure how you tell Moreno that's he's a back up a year after a £12m move. He was so highly rated when he came as well. I guess it's a good thing we spent ridiculous sums on Shaw instead of experimenting on the likes of Moreno...

I can't see Liverpool coming close to the top 4 when you look at the squad. It's so far behind really. The Man City takeover has really destroyed Liverpool's competitive future in my opinion. It's an incredibly tough attempt to break into the top 4 now and even if you do the team losing out will spend huge amounts of money to get back in.
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I don´t think that they are that far behind. 2 intelligent signings and they have a good shot at finishing in the top4. My prediction is that Brendan is getting sacked at the end of the season and Klopp tacks over. That would make things very interesting.
 
Trizy said:
Liverpool could be in a bad state after October

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Have you seen how absolute shit the 4 teams after Stoke have looked after this week? I'm not saying we'll win them all but come on, a bit of perspective.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Isn't Gomez supposed to be a centerback?
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Yes Gomez came in as a young CB to go out on loan. But because of his composure and maturity (physically and mentally) he was played at right back in pre-season and completely owned it.

Obviously that was too easy for him so we played him left back to fck him up but he owned that too. After those performances there was no way Moreno was getting back in unless he turns himself into a consistently decent player quickly. But yes, ideally CB is where we would like to see him play for us. He has time on his side to pick up the PL skills he'll need.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, at his best he's a tricky little attacker with his nimble turns who can pop up with a goal every now and again, but he isn't really offering anything Firmino or Coutinho aren't/won't be.
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He's a different type of goal scorer/attacker to Coutinho. He's not going to get you those goals from outside the box. And yesterday we were rarely inside the box from open play which is where Lallana is best with his amazing close control with both feet. It's where he creates space and confusion in the defence and scores his goals. Maybe he is better suited to matches against teams we dominate though he does cover a lot of ground so suits games where we need to close defenders down and he's quite effective in that regard.
 
PedroMendez said:
I don´t think that they are that far behind. 2 intelligent signings and they have a good shot at finishing in the top4. My prediction is that Brendan is getting sacked at the end of the season and Klopp tacks over. That would make things very interesting.
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Well that scenario creates a conundrum in my mind. I'm torn !
 
Tommy said:
Jesus christ, even I'm embarrassed for you.

Why are you comparing Shaw to Gomez? Shaw's a LB, so compare him to Enrique & Moreno, who had pretty bad seasons last year.
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And I'm embarrassed for you because it seems you haven't been watching the team you purportedly support if you didn't know
a) that Gomez can play LB
b) that he's seriously good
c) make inane comments about comparing Shaw to Moreno & Enrique. I've already said that Moreno is behind both Shaw and Gomez. I also said we'll have to see how Gomez goes for a few weeks first but I wasn't prepared to put Shaw ahead just yet.
d) just seems I am better at assessing player potential than you, don't get upset, not your fault.

Joe Gomez's Liverpool debut by numbers (all the more impressive considering he was obviously being targeted by Stoke):

100% tackles won
8 clearances
2 aerial duels won
2 interceptions
1 key pass

Nathaniel Clyne's game by numbers vs. Stoke:

100% tackles won
100% aerial duels won
5 clearances
2 interceptions

Re. Coutinho vs. Mata. Go take a look at Squawka and do a head to head. Their stats are so similar in the important metrics that they could be twins (Mata more goals, Coutinho at over 4:1 in successful dribbles and Coutinho far more successful tackles are the only three important disparities). So it really comes down to a personal preference, not a reason for condescending 'sympathy'.

I could do the same hatchet job on the rest of your post but typing on a mobile phone is a PITA.

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They look decidedly average everywhere except the 10 mins Coutinho comes alive (up from 5 mins last season).

Having said that, ill reserve judgement since its the first game of the season and we only scraped a win, Chelsea drew and Arsenal rolled over and got their tummy tickled.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Liverpool are just average from back to front and I will be shocked if they challenge for 4th this season.
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I think they did quite alright yesterday, especially if you consider the games of all the other Top4-contenders thus far.
Of course they didn't have the best of games but still won it. My impression was that they did look more than decent. I can definitely see every other team in the league struggling against Liverpool. (I am a bit of a Rodgers fan though.)

Bwuk said:
Coutinho is some player. Can see him ending up at Barca when Iniesta goes.
Let's hope he's still playing Milneymar & Henderson as a midfield two when we play them. Because that isn't going to work.
That Gomez looked good too. Annoyingly composed and good for such a young player
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Yeah, Coutinho I would love at Chelsea. But he probably ain't a Mourinho type of player.
 
UweBein said:
I think they did quite alright yesterday, especially if you consider the games of all the other Top4-contenders thus far.
Of course they didn't have the best of games but still won it. My impression was that they did look more than decent. I can definitely see every other team in the league struggling against Liverpool. (I am a bit of a Rodgers fan though.)
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Hard to draw any real conclusions after 1 game, it won't stop some people though.
It wasn't a great performance but for us is was a good result and at this stage that's the main thing. Always nice to win away first game.
 
So with Gomez apparently being first choice as left-back in these first few fixtures you seem to be about to offload Enrique, which is obviously the sensible thing to do. Do you scousers reckon you need to bring in someone like Digne or will Gomez and Moreno do for now? I suppose Flanagan and Sahko could cover as well.
 
UweBein said:
I think they did quite alright yesterday, especially if you consider the games of all the other Top4-contenders thus far.
Of course they didn't have the best of games but still won it. My impression was that they did look more than decent. I can definitely see every other team in the league struggling against Liverpool. (I am a bit of a Rodgers fan though.)


Yeah, Coutinho I would love at Chelsea. But he probably ain't a Mourinho type of player.
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:eek: Really, you're a fan of his? Welcome to this very small and exclusive club where the highlight is to be spat at, kicked and generally mocked. :)

Coutinho and Hazard would not work at Chelsea. He'd make a half-decent addition if forever whatever reason Hazard wanted to leave but not together. Similary, Coutinho and Neymar don't work so well together for Brazil either.
 
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