Does he not mean the Douglas variety?
Other Wingers?
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Does he not mean the Douglas variety?
It's an utterly ridiculous stance too.
The primary function of a winger is to create and score goals, not defend.
Messi and Ronaldo have spent the majority of their careers playing from wide positions but have zero defensive responsibilities. The same can be said of Robben at Bayern and Hazard at Chelsea.
Would Mourinho really turn down any of those players due to them not defending?
Mourinho needs to become a lot more flexible and the sooner he realises that us fans want to see attacking over defending the better.
The Ox?
I think that's a ridiculous thing to say! Lots of wingers have excelled in the past and have had defensive responsibility. Just by naming a few that don't have that responsibility, it doesn't make Jose's want ridiculous at all.
Did Beckham have defensive responsibility? Did Giggs? Some systems require a winger that can cover the fullback and can contribute defensively - think i'd prefer to trust Jose's system than yours.
Did Beckham have defensive responsibility? Did Giggs? Some systems require a winger that can cover the fullback and can contribute defensively - think i'd prefer to trust Jose's system than yours.
I agree, not so much the wing back comment but more an all round team playing winger who can get back and help the team and perform a role rather than an out and out winger, which Perisic fits perfectly....not what I want personally.
I would take any of the three Dortmund wingers Dembele is the obvious one (even though he is nowhere near the finished article the talent is there). Pulisic is also excellent and the player who doesnt seem to have settled Emre Mor has immense talent as well, prob ,pre than the other two. Amazing they havent really missed Reus at all.
Be interested to see how Cenzig Under does at Roma as I really think we have missed out on a player this summer that could be the next big thing.
As for a Mourinho type winger Bale is by far the most obvious one and best fit. Apart from that I would say Insigne, hugely under rated, talent, hard working team player.
Gelson look fantastic!
Tbh he gave hazard a fair bit of grief about not always defending as much as he wanted didn't he?
It is what it is,
i've seen martial and rashford try and play the role and they struggled. They should be sitting on the shoulder of the last defender as much as possible
But they're dragged back into our own half to defend constantly and when they pick up the ball, they've got about 4 players between them and the edge of the box.
I cant fault either of them for effort but neither are cut out for the position.
Rashford scored about ... 1 goal (?) starting on the wing last season. He only really got going once he was moved up front after Zlatans injury.
Largely speaking I thought Martial was one of our better players on the left tbh, he wasn't great ... but most struggled in that position last season
Him being occasionally pretty good pushes him above the others who consistently struggled to get involved in the game.
Not really a ridiculous stance if you want someone to do a specific job.
Perisic is a very good winger, who happens to have the attributes to play as a wing back, if we play a 352 during the season. To me, if we can kill two birds with one stone, then it makes perfect sense.
Has he ever actually played wing back?
That Gelson fella looks good. Anyone here watch him on a regular basis?
Did Gelson score two today?
Never seen Gelson before, could be our next star from Sporting haha. Would need to bulk up a bit for the prem I'd think but deffo got potential
Yep.
Then SIGN HIM!!
Couple times with Mancini. Was dire at it though, he's no wingback. He can defend like a midfielder, but to ask him to cover the whole flank defensively like a fullback is too much
Gelson Martins has been my recommended wide player signing since the start of the summer. He would be ideal, but there are other good option out there. If Mbappe goes to Madrid, Asensio or even Bale might be available. Perisic is not that bad either, but I believe we will only get one or two great season from him.
Exactly. It feels like some fans have been convinced that defending over attacking is the way forward
Throw hella money at him and he might. Pogba did.
Jose obviously feels he has the attributes to do so, though.
Come the start of last season, no one would have had Moses as a wing back. As a winger he was a lazy bugger. Was fantastic for the title winning Chelsea last season.
Where has Jose said he thinks he is a wingback...
There is no evidence pointing to that at all as far as I can see
Are there any good wing backs knocking about?
I'm surprised Insigne hasn't been linked to anyone this summer, had a cracking season scoring 20 goals in 49 appearances.
Napoli are very good at hiding their players.
Even from the likes of us
He's not leaving Napoli, simple as that. Also he's no winger, and doesn't track back much
Plus the man's far too small for the Prem. West Brom and Burnley would put him off football for life.
Hmm, he's small but the italian league is no walk in the park either and that doesn't hold him back.
Paul Scholes was not afraid of anything and perhaps we should focus more on skilful players that can pass and move under intense pressure but not measure players based on size. We could hardly contain the Madrid midfield and they do not focus on size and strength but mainly on skill. We are lacking 2 wingers and a proper left back that can bomb up the wing, overlap and stretch play. Having Darmian there is just woeful in a attacking sense. Rashford is not a winger and will never be, he´s a striker. Mata and Miki are not wingers and are both best playing behind a striker. Martial should be our 1 option on the left but we need to have more options and Perisic and a proper right winger are surely needed plus I like the young left back Tierney at Celtic.
I agree, but we are an extremely more physical league than the Italian league. He would struggle here, nor do I think he would want to come here (England).
It's not solely his size, but it is a huge factor in a predominantly physical league. Not to mention Scholes was never 5ft 4, played in the middle and his game was never based on his pace, like Insigne's is.
I agree we need some real width, but just saying this guy isn't the option.
The manager should sign a different type of player that wouldn't fit the way he wants us to play because fans want an attacking winger only? Talk about ridiculous stance
If you have a Messi or Ronaldo in your squad you obviously compensate for their lack of defensive duties somewhere else on the pitch.People who willed Perisic not to sign need a slap.
He probably would have been a direct alternative to Lingard. And Lingard is just behind Blind in the worst players to ever play for United. So feck you all.
He probably would have been a direct alternative to Lingard. And Lingard is just behind Blind in the worst players to ever play for United. So feck you all.
Napoli are the sort of club you wouldn't want to mess with. De Laurentiis makes Levy look like a saint.
Yep. I will hold my hands up.
Seeing Lingard start deary me, get Perisic in now Ed, give him the No7 for all I care. Oh and whilst you are at it, a fecking left back.
Perisic or Nani.
I see your point and we agree on the issue of width but I also wonder who is going to open up defences with slick passing and we look very slow and clumbersome in the build up face just like we did last season. A midfield in yesterdays game of Pogba,Fellaini and Matic was very slow and predictable. Madrid could pass around us like they wanted to and to me a brave footballer is someone who´s never afraid to recive the ball even under intense pressure and can something with the ball. Is the combo of Miki,Pogba and Matic or Mata,Pogba and Matic going to fix this issue or do we need someone better? For me we have a lot of similar players in attacking positions but lack wingers, a left back and perhaps a player like Modric,Sergio Roberto or similar?
Tbh, I just thought Pogba was really poor yesterday and he's usually that guy. I wouldn't take too much from yesterday, but we were by no means disgraced. We have people like Pereira in waiting and don't need to buy anyone in that position. Someone with pace and actually stays wide, is something we need more. I really don't think it's that hard to find someone who can do that, it's just finding a player that will not need a lot of time to adapt (already played to a high level) and wouldn't cost the world - which is the hard part. You can always find the latter, it just usually means you have to gamble on the former.
Did you guys noticed how poor our crossing was? We need to adress that with a winger, hell, we need anybody who can pass the first man from a corner or free kick. That's the real puzzle piece that is missing.