This. People think its like fifa or fm where you can simply put someone who has pace and workrate as lwb. And LOL to think that we would spend 50m for a player and ask him to play a new position.
Other Wingers?
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The thing is, when you have a player who can provide such quality in the final third, then he can get away with being lazy. The balance comes from Albrighton on the other flank.
Not if his performances when attacking are shit.
Seems odd to me we aren't just throwing 55M at Monaco for Lemar to give us a proper winger who looks to create for others, even if he's closer to Perisic's level than Bale's. He's young, and a creative and quick winger who creates chances from wide makes sense with Lukaku, Rashford and Martial around as our more vertical options, sort of like Madrid playing Isco narrow on the right and giving Cristiano and Benzema space up top. He put up good numbers playing on the left despite being left-footed and that being rare these days. Even if that his best position he can still play there and one of Martial or Rashford can join Lukaku up top or end up on the right.
For this season, we'd have:
---------------Lukaku-----------------
--------------Mkhi/Mata--------------
Rash/Martial-Pogba-Herrera---Lemar
or:
---------------Lukaku-------------
Rash/Martial-----------------Lemar
-----------Pogba-Herrera--------
----------------DM-----------------
both look like fairly strong lineups as long as we actually buy a DM and one of either Rashford Or Martial makes the leap we hope. Basically, he'd be Lingard but better, and we can probably get 15-20M for Lingard from some mid-table Prem side with him being locked in to a long-term contract, so not a huge outlay.
I don't think he's Ousmane Dembele or Bale, but he's young, productive, does a job defensively and is versatile.
For this season, we'd have:
---------------Lukaku-----------------
--------------Mkhi/Mata--------------
Rash/Martial-Pogba-Herrera---Lemar
or:
---------------Lukaku-------------
Rash/Martial-----------------Lemar
-----------Pogba-Herrera--------
----------------DM-----------------
both look like fairly strong lineups as long as we actually buy a DM and one of either Rashford Or Martial makes the leap we hope. Basically, he'd be Lingard but better, and we can probably get 15-20M for Lingard from some mid-table Prem side with him being locked in to a long-term contract, so not a huge outlay.
I don't think he's Ousmane Dembele or Bale, but he's young, productive, does a job defensively and is versatile.
Lemar is a young version of what Persic would offer us. A young tactically brilliant winger.....
More of a wide playmaker than an out and out winger, no?
Too young to be slapping one label on him in my view. Has a lot of qualities physical and technical, but hasn't really settled anywhere yet. I like him, but I don't think he's what United need.
He is an Iniesta type. Comfortable as a wide playmaker, as a pushes up wide winger and as a midfielder.
You describe it well here but for some reason you were off mark with Lemar being a younger player in Perisic profile. Completely different type of player. Player drift wide from time to time doesn't qualify himself as out out winger. Clearly we're after Perisic for his distinct type. The pre season game vs Barcelona showed what we lack. Blind was given acres of space in the first half, but his limitation means he chose a rushed option since there was no help from his partner on the wing who just drifted inside.
Darmian didn't fancy going forward much while Martial despite sticking on the wing most of the time lack the instinct to be effective there. He only came to life when having the ball in certain area
My Perisic comment was more about his tactical brilliance rather than his actually playing style tbh. Lemar is the type of player if you put in front of Darmian, he'd choose to stay real wide and whip in crosses. He plays wide with the type of intelligence Beckham used to employ
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Which I don't see the point. Perisic profile is pretty much to fill a need. Perisic is not a new tactical found. He's an good option since the lack of players with that kind of profile, and that's it. Lemar is direct competitor to Mata Micki & Lingard. Those are type of player who ain't restrained in an area, thus being more case for tactical brilliance. So I am saying it's more about playing style to fill a certain role.
Perisic is a tactically excellent player. He is as comfortable as a 10, an 8 and as a 9, as he is on the wings. He is also defensively excellent and a very good game reader. People conflate his direct style as he plays on the wing with being a one dimensional, ordinary winger, which is plain misguided. Lemar as a player is pretty similar. Unlike the Mata's he is equally comfortable in upto 4 positions, though unlike Perisic he is more of a classic playmaker. While Perisic is in the would of a Lampard.
I have different view on tactical brilliance. What you describe in my term is only positional versatility. Why the different?
Tactical brilliance in my view is ability that can switch role completely. Role here is not mere position, but duty attached to it. Let take Iniesta as example. During EURO 2008, he was a wide playmaker. In Barcelona shirt in later year he was the third midfielder. There was a time he was the assister (Pep reign), but there was another time he had underwhelming end product stats, while his role was to focus on supplying the ball to the front line &a let those do their thing (talking about Henrique reign)...
Perisic is versitle that he can play different positions. However, his play is similar thus his role is limited into stretching the defense by running in behind, taking on his man, causing havoc... He finally found his best position as previously he was an average forward, wide and central.
There is a thin line between versatility &a tactical brilliance but it's there. Rooney was thought to be able to play different role, but in the end as time prove, he was to fill the position than being great in those different role, thus being tactical brilliant. Similar can be said about Gerrard. Iniesta can be a great wide playmaker &a he can be distinctly a great third midfielder playing further from final third. He has the tactical mind for it. Big difference for me. Scholes who some people for a period keep reference for Rooney's change of position, is another case of tactical brilliance. He can play to good level behind the main forward. He 's competent in 2 men midfield. As deep play maker, he can compete with the best. Being shunt left during EURO 2004 didn't matter. He did more than just fill the role. He actually owned it from unfamiliar wide play maker role.
If Jose wants a Perisic type winger, who are the similar wingers out there? He wants a touchline hugger who can track back well and can fire the crosses in, not a dribbler who keeps cutting inside. Too many are suggesting the winger they would like not one Jose would like.
Oh come on. This is getting ridiculous now. You could have put Messi there instead of Perisic and you'd still be exaggerating. No player of that calibre will be playing for the 7th best team in a poor Serie A.
Can't we just get a offensively capable full back? Evra and Rafael leaving has left a huge gap and we've never looked the same offensively.
Bullshit.
For as long as I've followed Perisic, I personally haven't seen him poor in any role he has been placed in. He seamlessly adapts to the demands. I find him a very underrated player.
I see that he's a poor man Robben in certain period of his career where he tried too hard emulate the cut inside & shoot. He had poor end product as forward role.
He seems to finally grow into the old fashioned winger role, which turned out to suit his game better.
Whilst I completely agree with you it is more difficult for United.
From your examples; Bonucci would not leave Italy because of his son. And Bayern and Juventus have a weird relationship. A couple of people on each board are friends so they buy and sell to each other at fair prices.
When clubs see we are interested the price goes through the roof. I saw Dendonker yesterday, now he's worth £30m. Tielemans left last month for €20m, and he has much more potential (quite why we didn't buy him I'll never know).
Our scouting system is just shocking. I'm not quite sure how they have jobs because they either don't scout anyone or look at players we can't get or not good enough. I honestly think a group of 16 year olds playing FM could scout better.
The Atletico ban hasnt helped up either this season. Ironically it has helped them keep their best players.
Anyone seen much of Felipe Anderson last season? Has he gotten over his slump?
His numbers seem decent, also weirdly high tackling stats for a winger.
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His numbers seem decent, also weirdly high tackling stats for a winger.
@devilish , @Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 , @giorno ?
Was highly-rated 2 years ago, now not so much. Maybe he just needs to leave Lazio to step up.
Good player, not nearly the ridiculously devastating monster that he was two seasons ago. At his best as a pure right winger imho
Keep in mind he's got some adaptation issuea. Had trouble adapting to life in Rome at the beginning, which was unheard of for a brazilian...
Think United wanted him 2 years ago.
That pretty much excludes him as an option, if he can't adapt in Rome as a Brazilian he probably won't for a while in Manchester.
Fantastic talent and I'm convinced he'd have a place in any squad in the world. I don't see Mourinho getting him though. The parts of his game that need improving should come naturally with age and experience. He'll most likely stay one more season and then leave next summer.
Yes, though that means he holds his position more often, which helps defensively. He'll stretch teams less than Perisic, but he'd probably create as much for Lukaku. Also 7 years younger, so should improve whereas Perisic we're probably getting 2-3 seasons of before his pace drops a bit and he's not good enough to really be an impact player for us or attract a good resale.
If we're going to play Lukaku with a partner more, be it Mkhitaryan, Rashford, Martial or maybe next year Griezmann, then Lemar helping out in a 4 man midfield makes a lot of sense.
Yup, we missed the boat on that one. Would have been perfect for us.
Lucas and Di Maria seem to be available according to reports
yeah I am sure Di Maria is coming back here.. and which Lucas the one playing for PSG?
What's the situation at Bayern with Iron Robben? Knocking on a bit I know, but I'd take him for a year or two, and reckon he'd still do a great job on the right.
He said he is probably gonna retire at the end of the season.
That sort of information usually motivates a last change tbh.
If he won the Champions League it would the best moment to retire.
Deep inside i want Mourinho to bring back Di Maria.He will be great under him.
I'd love Lucas coming at United. We might get a good deal with PSG looking to balance the books.
Think it was Ancelotti who got the best out of him.
I know people moan about Perisic's age - did it occur to people that Mourinho might want him to be older to make way for Martial once he improves?
Martial is only 21 and could still be one of the best wide strikers in the world. Maybe signing another 21-23 year old and ruling him out wouldn't be too wise
Martial is only 21 and could still be one of the best wide strikers in the world. Maybe signing another 21-23 year old and ruling him out wouldn't be too wise
Perisic is a great player. How can you complain about him?
Seriously, how is Nani these days? Not seen anything of him since leaving us outside of some pretty decent performances for Portugal. As frustrating as he could be and despite being past his best now, if we were looking for a short-term option then... maybe? Obviously he'd cost more than the pathetic amount we sold him for, but at least his wages should be lower than under Moyes.