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Omar Berrada | Man Utd CEO
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Sack him before Ten Hag. Woodward waiting in the wings..
Is he still on City's payroll?
Exactly. He's barely even got his feet under the desk. As he said, the decision to extend Ten Hag's contract was made before he arrived.
Haven’t ever posted anything about Ashworth. Dunno why you get away with making things up.
Look, I want this club to be successful. As a fanbase we need to raise the standards. We need to demand things from the people being paid the big bucks at the club.
If you think questioning the club is wumming I’d say you’re part of the reason why standards are in the gutter. We’ve been getting embarrassed week after week both in the league and in Europe for the past 18 months.
Backing the manager in the summer was the wrong decision on every single metric. Doubling down on it and failing to act based on the evidence this season is beyond negligence.
INEOS have done nothing in football to deserve blind faith. All this stuff about United building a team of masterminds is nothing but PR until actually proven otherwise. Berrada et al. need to prove their mettle asap if they want to be taken seriously. At the moment it’s just words, and words are not what we want to hear from the club after the past 11 years.
If you can’t tolerate anything critical about anyone or anything surrounding the club without shouting «wum» I’d suggest replacing the caf with MUTV.
Not this again. At this time and age of technology, he was absolutely involved in the decision making during the long gardening leave. Of course, he had to deny it to the press otherwise it will have legal implications.
Ok, my bad - Wilcox not Ashworth. Same difference though.
Whining and name calling and wanting everyone sacked after 3 months isn’t ’raising Standards’ - it’s petulance and entitlement.
Nice try on turning it back on me, but you are well aware I’m sure that no fan has any part to play on the decline of our once great club. I’m sure you know exactly who is to blame for our current circumstance, and I’m also sure you know that nearly 20years of decline and decay isn’t going to be turned around in 3 months. To expect so is entirely unrealistic. Therefore some of us are happy to have football men in control now, and to let them build and develope the club. It’s what we need, more than a trophy or a title.
That depends entirely on what the objectives are for the season. What did you expect this season, a title charge? CL qualification? Another cup?
I’d say based on the 2028 target that our hierarchy is working much longer term than just this season, and I suspect they may even be happy to endure a relatively poor season if other objectives are met. We could build a squad, integrate youth and craft a style of play successfully without winning all season, but still be moving forward as a club. I think you need to have some patience.
They're certainly getting that right now. If the manager is on his third season after spending north of £600m and we're accepting no CL qualification for the second consecutive season, something is going badly wrong and you can understand the level of frustration.
I think there is a distinction to be made in that is year one of INEOS, not year three of ETH. A page was turned in the summer - I still believe we need to give them time to work. I totally understand the frustration with results, and I share that frustration but it’s not like we were realistically expecting to challenge this season with or without INEOS.
Agreed 100%. They've only just started. They deserve to be given time.
Time, patience... You guys are way too reasonable for most of the cry-babies in here.
They do. EtH doesn't. There is no readon why it should be acceptable that the team is performing worse than in his first season.
I agree with that, except how they tackled the ETH issue. Keeping him after carrying out a failed search for a replacement looked amateurish and undermined the manager badly. We all know he should've been sacked, so it feels like this season has been thrown in the bin, stymieing further progress for a year.
I agree with the bolded, but I think progress is measurable in different ways. We have Carrington being renovated at long last, OT in the planning, youngsters being integrated into the playing squad, the wage bill reduced and contracts being reined in.
When we talk of rebuilding it’s the whole club that has been neglected, not just the playing staff. Thats going to take time, and personally in the meantime I’d rather compete in competitions we can win like the cups and the EL than scrape a top 4 finish and get embarrassed in the CL again. It’s not a lack of ambition or falling standards to accept where we are currently and build from there over time.
I also think it was reasonable to give ETH this year to see if he could get an upturn and judge him when he has all the support in place. If it were me in charge he’d get until NY to prove himself, which I’ve said all along. Admittedly it’s not going so well right now, but I do think our playing style has improved. We just need to stop conceding stupid goals from our defenders having regular brain farts.
I see that INEOS has become your new ten Hag.
Putting your energy into something else. Fair play.Calm down. Rome wasnt built in a day.
You are right, we can only judge the backroom staff on what they have done not on their past achievements. I agree that keeping Ten Hag was the wrong decision, it's definitely a blip in their record.
But for me, if we're going off what's been proven. Since INEOS have come in they've prioritised the long term, which is what most of us wanted. Even if the invidual appointments within them prove to be incorrect, the structure of the backroom staff is a modern, sustainable one. They've started rebuilding Carrington and plans for are OT well underway. With the squad, while I am not a fan of Ugarte, they're clearly targetting younger, hungrier players. And they've reduced the wage bills. These aren't magical things, by the way, but we were incompetently run before INEOS - we only need basic levels of competency.
You can't ignore all of that. I do agree, though. It is worrying to led fan sentiment dictate your chose in manager. But, delaying the sacking of Ten Hag will have, at most, cost us 1 season. In relativity to the 20/30 years they will probably be running the club, this is nothing.
Looking at the whole picture, the process with which they're running the club so far overall is a net positive. They're going to get some decisions wrong, I fully accept that, but with the bigger picture in mind they're off to a good start.
Eh?I see that INEOS has become your new ten Hag.
Basically you are always playing defence for those who have not yet earned it
Aston Villa was
You spent months defending ten Hag last season, and have now turned to defending INEOS while the heat is on your boy.
VP89 has taken a backseat recently also.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Do you have a point here, or are you just being personal for no reason.?
Even if by some chance Dan Ashworth just happened to prefer Southgate as next head coach, purely based on because they worked together in the same place once, I get the feeling Berrada (and his years at Barcelona and City) would essentially say ‘lmao wtf no’
There is much evidence to show guilt though
Most of us are sick and tired of ETH and want him out, but going after Berrada et al is just stupid. The new team has *just* started.
Been thinking about this, and I’m not really defending Erik or INEOS intentionally- I’m just sharing my honest opinion. There is no agenda here.
I also don’t see how what I wrote was defending INEOS, nor that they need defending. I think they are being very calm and measured so far, and doing a solid if unspectacular job.
Exactly this. People are acting like they've done nothing since taking over. They've also got rid of players we thought we'd be stuck with for years e.g. Sancho.
They've done a lot since coming in and are clearly talking to other managers. I'd be very surprised if ETH is still here in the next few months.
For Berrada? We must have a different definition of evidence if so.
They've only had one real decision to make since arriving at the club and got it spectacularly wrong. Last season we recorded our worst ever Premier League and Champions League finishes. We finished the league campaign on negative goal difference. We got thrashed multiple times. They not only kept the man responsible for that in place but rewarded him for those failures by activating the extension clause in his contract.
There's nothing solid or measured about any of that. It's a footballing and a financial disaster.
We now face a situation where even if the execs rectify their mistake, the club will be forced to fork out millions more in severance than if they had made the same call at the beginning of the summer. Their handling of the situation with Ten Hag has been amateurish from start to finish.
One decision? Seriously?
- Hiring and Appointing CEO
- Hiring and appointing DoF
- Hiring and appointing technical director
- Hiring and appointing recruitment specialist
- Planning, funding and commencing an overhaul of the training ground
- Renovating the OT tunnel area
- Setting up a task force to study regeneration of the stadium and surrounding area
- Appointing people to that task force
- Overhauling back room staff
- Overhauling playing squad, including planning and executing a summer window without key staff in position
Wow, what a shockingly poor take.
I wouldn’t. I think they’ve plumped on him after the review and are going to see it through - obviously barring a major catastrophe
This 100%.One decision? Seriously?
And I’m sure I’ve missed something too. You should not be so fixated on the coach and pay more attention to what’s going on.
- Hiring and Appointing CEO
- Hiring and appointing DoF
- Hiring and appointing technical director
- Hiring and appointing recruitment specialist
- Planning, funding and commencing an overhaul of the training ground
- Renovating the OT tunnel area
- Setting up a task force to study regeneration of the stadium and surrounding area
- Appointing people to that task force
- Overhauling back room staff
- Overhauling playing squad, including planning and executing a summer window without key staff in position
They're doing a great job. One thing at a time. It's amazing how quickly people forget all the good that they have done just because ETH isn't working out, even though they've clearly been speaking to other managers so they're obviously aware of this fact.
We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at present. Perhaps they already have their pick for the next coach lined up, but it's a timing issue because he's not available right now.
I was referencing the execs put in place by INEOS rather than INEOS themselves. I assumed that was the focus of the discussion given this is the Berrada thread.One decision? Seriously?
And I’m sure I’ve missed something too. You should not be so fixated on the coach and pay more attention to what’s going on.
- Hiring and Appointing CEO
- Hiring and appointing DoF
- Hiring and appointing technical director
- Hiring and appointing recruitment specialist
- Planning, funding and commencing an overhaul of the training ground
- Renovating the OT tunnel area
- Setting up a task force to study regeneration of the stadium and surrounding area
- Appointing people to that task force
- Overhauling back room staff
- Overhauling playing squad, including planning and executing a summer window without key staff in position
The responsibilities of the owners obviously extend beyond that, although it doesn't make the situation surrounding the manager any less of a disaster.
The major catastrophe has already occurred. Multiple times.
Damn, must have missed us being relegated. I thought we were in the premier league not the vanarama premier division.
Then your comment was even more nonsensical as this ‘one decision’ they had to make was taken before Berrada and Ashworth had started work for the club, as they are at pains to point out.