The Algerian boxer is not at fault at in any way and the culture warrior pile on is predictably depressing but…this one did fail the eye test. In terms of body shapes, it looked like a woman fighting Zlatan. I’ve no idea what the solution is to what is presumably a very rare case among women but, unlike running, the consequences of such chromosomal mismatches in contact sports are going to be much rawer.
Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC
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Others have pointed out the technicalities in this thread. I don't claim to fully understand those technicalities but I think the general idea is that XX and XY refer to male and female, but the sporting distinction is "men" and "women" - which invokes gender identity. Given that the reason for the sporting distinction is differential physical capability based on sex, it would make sense to use male and female if the competitions are going to be XX and XY categories.
tl;dr - your idea makes sense
Are they male? I have no idea tbh.
I think the issue is, allegedly that this person is male with a DSD/intersex condition
I was of the understanding from the mire that the person was male with a DSD
There's literally photos posted in this thread of her as a young girl.
you learned all that in the last two minutes? Impressive
In this particular case it doesn't answer the problem. You need to understand how their biology work, a person that is XY but doesn't react to androgens is for all intent a purpose a female, their development is closer to a female than male.
Doesn’t she have a male pen name she writes as too?
I didn't, as I said mire, and the anger is that the person is male (otherwise why the fuss) the accusation is that the person failed a sex test twice and is male but has a DSD.
I've always thought harry Potter was a cnut.
The cheekbones stick out too much, and the hair is messed up. Also the length of the arms is out of proportion to the rest of the body.
I'd give a 6.5 at best: I'd hit it, but only if I was drunk.
I'd give a 6.5 at best: I'd hit it, but only if I was drunk.
I’m all for people backing out of bouts if they genuinely feel they’re in danger. No one needs to put themselves in genuine harms way but, also…maybe she just isn’t the best boxer?
What part of the mire? Even some of the worst faith actors are saying “sure she could be female but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have an unfair advantage!”… she competed in the last Olympics without any fuss.
What part of the mire? Even some of the worst faith actors are saying “sure she could be female but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have an unfair advantage!”… she competed in the last Olympics without any fuss.
I agree, I was just trying to point out that the poster I responded to was conflating the whole male/female vs men/women thing. This particular incident is much more nuanced no doubt.
17th, 33rd, quarter finals (Tokyo Olympics) and 2nd place. That's her whole career at the professional (?) level. She was between 19 and 23 years old. Granted I'm not the most knowledgeable on this subject, but surely she would have looked far more dominant if she had an unfair advantage? I guess she technically could have taken estrogen deep into her 20s just to hold her advantages back until the timing is right, but that seems overly schemy to me...
The online mire.
If they're female, then that's fine, there is no issue so long as testosterone is within normal levels etc.
If they're not female, then they shouldn't be competing.
Cringe post.
I refuse to believe you're posting in good faith after this:
Is that a yes or a no?
Sorry, the person tried to gatekeep which women can be deemed feminist because some women don't prescribe to their worldview.
Ridiculous notions like that deserve ridiculous responses, hence wild.
From someone too online, you should log offIs that a yes or a no?
Lots of backtracking and deleted tweets I see.
Can't all of this just be settled with a cheek swap test?
So? Boxers break their noses all the time in fights. More than likely it felt like the most powerful punch she’d ever taken because it hit her in the perfect place to break her nose. Statistically speaking, she doesn’t seem like a powerful puncher.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to say the rights and wrongs of this. I absolutely think that trans women in combat sports shouldn’t be allowed, but that is clearly not what is happening here. The usual cnuts like Rowling are calling her trans, which is insane.
I'm confused now.From someone too online, you should log off
Seriously though, you can hardly deny the similarities between your posting styles.
That part bothers me a lot because they are mixing to situations that are completely different from an ethical standpoint.
She does, and it's an anti-LGBTQ+ dogwhistle because she's a cnut. Robert Galbraith Heath was an American psychiatrist who claimed to have converted a person from homosexuality to heterosexuality using electrical brain stimulation.
It’s no different to the knife attacks being blamed on Muslims. Lots of people with horrid opinions don’t give a shit about what is actually true. They can have it explained to them by experts if they wanted, but they just don’t care. Anything that causes further division and pushes what they think is correct.
very concerning
You are focusing on the wrong aspect of this.
That’s a good/strong statement. They’ve come out swinging (unlike the Italian bird)
I've seen essentially this suggested about Caster Semenya, albeit from a younger age.
She was basically a good but not outstanding junior athlete, having failed to qualify for the 800m finals in 2008 (a quick google has her finishing 7th in her heat with a time of 2:11.98), but a year later was winning gold at the World Championships (with a time of 1:55.45, which was the fastest time of the season), having increased her personal bests by incredible margins in very short time frames. It was these massive increases in performance that tipped the authorities off and sparked the whole controversy as they suspected she was doping. Her winning margin for the 800m at the 2009 Worlds remains the largest winning margin ever for the event at the championships.
The suggestion being that she was suppressing natural testosterone for a while, and then stopped around the age of 18.
I can
The disgusting racist riots yesterday and today the trans dog whistling.
Why do we as a society take so much joy in picking on the most vulnerable?
Life sucks man, genuinely so done with this all.
Why do we as a society take so much joy in picking on the most vulnerable?
Life sucks man, genuinely so done with this all.
Man or woman, no one lasts long in a boxing match if they can't keep their guard up.