Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC

Scandi Red said:
This is the monster that assholes on Twitter demonized by the way...

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Just saw a prick on social media saying the other fighters are just pretending to be happy because they're afraid of the left wing mob calling them transphobic. Plenty of other morons agreeing, so they have their narrative ready to go.
 
Scandi Red said:
This is the monster that assholes on Twitter demonized by the way...

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That's really good to see. It's unreal how this all started because one boxer couldn't accept defeat/injury and the usual bigoted suspects sank their teeth in online.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
That's really good to see. It's unreal how this all started because one boxer couldn't accept defeat/injury and the usual bigoted suspects sank their teeth in online.
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The president of the Italian National Olympic Committee said the other day that Carini had been under pressure by the IBA in the days leading up to the fight, presumably to perform a stunt akin to the one she went through with.
 
Very happy for both of them. Hope Khelif takes Rowling to the cleaners.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
That's really good to see. It's unreal how this all started because one boxer couldn't accept defeat/injury and the usual bigoted suspects sank their teeth in online.
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You had a boxer who could simultaneoulsy unite transphobes, racists and islamophobes in a vile hate crusade they all can't wait to wage and this won't be the last time. These assholes just needed a little nudge and a white female sore loser came in handy.

They're just forgetting that Algeria not being exactly pro-LGBTQ would never allow a transwoman to compete under its colors.

Truly happy for her to win the gold medal and see these animals have a stroke.
 


Why has Laura Woods who usually avoided controversy suddenly decided in the summer to go all in on this topic? Bizarre.
 
SilentWitness said:
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Anna Slatz is a Canadian journalist[1] and gender-critical activist.[2][3] She is the co-founder and editor of the gender critical website Reduxx[4] and was previously affiliated with far-right website Rebel News. Slatz served as editor of student newspaper The Baron until she was fired following the publication of an opinion piece by and an interview with the leader of a neo-Nazi group, which led to a wave of resignations.[5
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Slatz
 
horsechoker said:
I looked for other sources but I can't see anyone too reputable talking about it.

This is the source (French)
https://lecorrespondant.net/imane-khelif-ni-ovaires-ni-uterus-mais-des-testicules/


I've no idea if it's a good publication
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Assuming the medical records they got hold of are legit then this boxer has the exact same condition as Caster Semenya. So will definitely have been assigned female at birth and shouldn't be considered in the same category as athletes who are brought up/go through puberty as a male then decide to transition. Basically, this confirms that a) all the rhetoric about a man beating up a woman is unfair even though b) she may well have had an unfair advantage due to having much higher testosterone levels than the woman she was fighting against.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Basically, this confirms that a) all the rhetoric about a man beating up a woman is unfair even though b) she may well have had an unfair advantage due to having much higher testosterone levels than the woman she was fighting against.
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But isn't an unfair advantage an unfair advantage, rhetoric aside, and the sort of thing sports try to avoid?
 
nickm said:
But isn't an unfair advantage an unfair advantage, rhetoric aside, and the sort of thing sports try to avoid?
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Absolutely. I was talking about the really mean spirited stuff where people were talking about her as a man choosing to beat up a woman. I think there's a big difference between someone who has lived most of their life as a man who transitions and decides to continue competing in their chosen sport in a different gender class (where they have an obvious physical advantage over women) vs someone who has been assigned female from birth and never competed in any other gender. class.
 
nickm said:
But isn't an unfair advantage an unfair advantage, rhetoric aside, and the sort of thing sports try to avoid?
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Well it's a natural unfair advantage and one that you can't know without relatively in depth medical examinations. Athletes aren't biologically equal, their genetics give advantages and disadvantages.

And finally it's worth mentioning that these intersex athletes have a massive disadvantages compared to male athletes that do not have sexual growth issues. They are right in the middle and it's not their fault.
 
JPRouve said:
Well it's a natural unfair advantage and one that you can't know without relatively in depth medical examinations. Athletes aren't biologically equal, their genetics give advantages and disadvantages.

And finally it's worth mentioning that these intersex athletes have a massive disadvantages compared to male athletes that do not have sexual growth issues. They are right in the middle and it's not their fault.
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I'm not trying to assign fault, but all sorts of rules in boxing are designed with the explicit goal of ensuring safe matchups and the boxing authorities have a special obligation in that regard that maybe other sports, like running, do not.
 
nickm said:
I'm not trying to assign fault, but all sorts of rules in boxing are designed with the explicit goal of ensuring safe matchups and the boxing authorities have a special obligation in that regard that maybe other sports, like running, do not.
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Boxing does at least have weight classes. Unlike say, rugby, or football. That will help keep female athletes relatively safe (in a sport that is inherently unsafe) Fairness is a whole other issue.
 
nickm said:
I'm not trying to assign fault, but all sorts of rules in boxing are designed with the explicit goal of ensuring safe matchups and the boxing authorities have a special obligation in that regard that maybe other sports, like running, do not.
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True but it's not a case of fairness. As a simple example, two fighters can fight in the same weight class and have vastly different fighting weights depending on the ability of each fighters to cut before weigh in. Fighters can also have vastly different heights and reaches which makes a massive difference during a fight.

So we can talk about safety and maybe think about measures that could make it "safer" such has moving intersex fighters into a higher weight class. But none of this is about fairness because fairness in Sport is highly subjective.
 
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