Pretty sure people that need to know about it already have the answer, it's just not public information.
Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC
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That's funny, because you initially just made a comment stating that everyone was basically making a fuss out of a very simple thing, there was no real question at all. You've now pivoted after multiple people have made you look like a bit of a eejit, to someone that's just innocently seeking enlightenment. Maybe go back to predicting injuries?
I can't help but feel very sorry for Imane Khelif. Assuming that there is no deception going on regarding doping or any other rule breaking, you've got an athlete here who has potentially done nothing wrong and is having their very personal information talked about in such a public way, with all sorts of assumptions being made. There's a still a human being at the end of all of this. I feel sorry for Angela Carini for being thrown into all of this and being made to be some sort of protest symbol, when this may not be the case at all. I do think this should have been handled a lot better than it has been.
Yeah that's just all made up
Yeah, we need to show more tact on these topics, because some people will discover personal things at the same time than everyone else. Modern science has opened the doors to difficult questions.
Looking at the footage it doesn't appear she was hit particularly hard either. I've been doing some research on Khelif and she's not actually known for punching power and she's lost 5 out of 14 fights so doesn't look she's overwhelming all opponents.
She probably has some genuine issue like DSD.
This is obviously a gold mine story for right wing grifters and their gullible followers.
Could it simply just be?
This is certainly a difficult situation because it's not an abrupt example whereby someone of a definitive sex has consciously chosen to become and identify as another sex but is consistent with the intricacies of DSD.
The difficulty for the governing bodies is being consistent and it's sufficiently more difficult in examples where there's a rare condition genetically. IBA is predominantly used for ranking fighters professionally so it's almost a forgone conclusion that she will have not perform in the pro's as a female outside of Amateur / Olympic circuits.
The difficulty for the governing bodies is being consistent and it's sufficiently more difficult in examples where there's a rare condition genetically. IBA is predominantly used for ranking fighters professionally so it's almost a forgone conclusion that she will have not perform in the pro's as a female outside of Amateur / Olympic circuits.
I mean, yeah right-wingers are delighted at this. But the criticism is coming from feminist circles too.
This isn't like the usual trans in sports debates is it? If Imane has never identified as a male and has lived her whole life believing she's a female as that's what she was assigned at birth
Nope, but the grifters don't care about that nuance.
I believe that's the case and partly why I feel sorry for her, the media attention about her personal medical record can't be nice, it's really invasive.
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Is that all she’d had?
It's also doubly farcical because pretty much this exact scenario played out very publicly with Caster Semenya, yet it seems no one has learned anything
The IBA claim to have done a chromosome test but that doesn't appear to have been verified and they've basically been disgraced as an organisation.
I kind of think that but I also think that if I (or one of my kids) was uncomfortable with issues to do with my gender being discussed throughout the global press I would probably choose to walk away from elite sports. Or at the very least have whatever expert medical input is needed to shut down the debate before it gets started, as early as possible in the four year Olympic cycle. It's shit luck but she certainly didn't go into this tournament with no idea her competing might cause controversy.
I don't think that's fair putting all of the pressure on the athlete.
According to the IBA, yes. That's it.
Sounds like victim blaming to me.
If anyone is at fault it's the sports governing bodies who should have nipped this at the bud earlier or had a proper response refuting any breaking of rules.
People shouldn't be excluded from professional sport just because the right wing media will unjustly report about them.
As I said, it's shit luck but if you find yourself in a situation where you realise your genetic or physiological make-up might give you an unfair advantage in any elite sport (never mind an elite combat sport) it would be extremely naive to be taken by surprise if you get embroiled in a high profile controversy, after choosing to compete on the biggest stage in world sports.
I mean, that's just nonsense. In what way am I blaming her for what happened? I'm just saying that none of this controversy should have caught her by surprise. Even if the IBA tests were fictional and corrupt as feck, would she not have been curious to work out what was going on, out of her own personal/professional curiosity?
If yall are meaning a testosterone test, oddly enough, they said the opposite in a statement they released today.
*If you’re meaning a chromosome test then I misread the exchange*
“Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential”
I haven't read any comments by Khelif saying they're surprised though.
Steve Bunce who is a veteran at boxing commentary says this -
The more I read about the case the more I think that the Italian athlete is just not very good and the right wing grifters have latched onto a situation with no background knowledge as usual and using it to their advantage to get across their transphobia and bigotry.
It's absolutely on the authorities to quell any doubts and to make sure that things are in order and no pressure should be on the athlete to do that.
The IBA banned her for chrosome test but she also failed a testosterone test. https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/athlete/imane-khelif_1540353
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I don't get it. I'm reading conflicting stories about her having XY chromosomes and normal testosterone levels. Some claim the IBA announced it last year, but the statement they just released doesn't state it and is even more confusing to be honest.
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So basically this could all be blown way out of proportion?
Brutal
I feel sorry for both fighters in all honesty.
People all over the internet are attacking Khelif, calling her a man etc when she hasn't done anything wrong (assuming there's nothing nefarious going on, doping etc), while Carini has been thrown into the limelight as some kind of symbol of protest that she didn't ask for, and now all kinds of people with dubious agendas are using her to pursue their agendas.
People all over the internet are attacking Khelif, calling her a man etc when she hasn't done anything wrong (assuming there's nothing nefarious going on, doping etc), while Carini has been thrown into the limelight as some kind of symbol of protest that she didn't ask for, and now all kinds of people with dubious agendas are using her to pursue their agendas.
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Terfs aren’t actually feminist.
I mean, perhaps. But her words are vague too. Was it a "standard" boxing injury that prevented her from continuing or is she hinting that her opponent should not be fighting biological women?
So which governing body did the testosterone if IBA is basically alluding to them doing a chromosome test? The IOC itself?
My guess would be the athletic commission that hosted the fight?
The boxer in question apparently was banned and took it to appeal before the olympics.
Wild.
She said she's never felt anything like that, so either she is lying and just got hurt or she felt a punch harder than she ever felt and realised 40 seconds into a fight, she could get seriously hurt.