I've always thought that Kamala Harris has had way too much influence on the IOC boxing policies.
Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC
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I've always thought that Kamala Harris has had way too much influence on the IOC boxing policies.
Enlighten me?
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That’s… quite something… good on them for clarifying the medical circumstances. That should hopefully end all the speculation. The random swipes at America are weird as hell though.
I don't know if she was really nervous or what but she looks like someone having her first ever boxing lesson there
Do you think the IOC will just do a swab test to confirm XX or XY and shut the entire thing up?
There’s no way you believe that
Honestly a very interesting statement from them in that it is another governing body contradicting the IBA’s statement that they tested chromosomes not testosterone
Maybe I've missed something in the tweet, but is that not just a twitter account for Algerian sports updates and not a governing body?
This isn't a statement from the Algerian federation.
I keep thinking about something. The chromosome and testosterone statements both come from late March 2023. Why the IBA decided to deny that part today when they spent 17 months not sharing the content of their test and still stated today that they wouldn't and didn't deny the testosterone tests'(as far as I know)?
Maybe there is a good explanation but to me it looks like the IOC has been right from the start when it comes to the integrity of the IBA.
Well if the IBA is found to be corrupt etc that changes everything
The IBA isn't recognized by the IOC due to a range of alleged issues. And Boxing national associations need to create a new international associations in order to be in LA.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...cognition-of-international-boxing-association
Not now it turns out that’s some random Algerian fan account!
For what it's worth there is a year old interview with the algerian boxing director where he says that they offered a counter expertise to the IBA that was rejected so they contacted the IOC.
A boxing governing body corrupt? You don't say...
You are distracted over whether that punch was in fact the hardest she'd ever been punched, while I think it is tertiary (at best) to the conversation.
It does answer the problem, though, because it doesn't matter what their development is like, whether it's closer to female than male or vice versa, because the deciding factor is the XX or XY. In the rare cases where the person is as you've posited, then they will be feeling hard done by, but for the overwhelming majority of people involved, it will simply provide clarity with an easily verified test.
I went to lunch downtown LA last weekend and the woman at the next table over was 6'3" and probably 300 lbs. Built like an offensive tackle. Clearly female, and absolutely massive. No doubt in my mind she could have clobbered me. She would compete in the XY category and it's any other XY competitor's choice whether they fight her, has nothing to do with how the present, how their body reacts to androgens, etc. The XX-XY test would provide a level playing field, and that's all that anyone is asking for.
Well the NHS disagrees with you.
Ah your right, that’s what I get for not hitting “translate bio”
Random thought about boxing controversy. I get that the IBA is bent as feck and was being run by a crook. But can anyone work out why it might create a fiction about two female boxers showing XY chromosomes in a test? And why these two boxers? With corruption in sport there’s usually an obvious motivation. Struggle to see one here?
I haven't read the NHS' statement on boxers with XX or XY chromosomes attempting to compete in the other category, can you link to it please? Or whatever the relevant information is? The NHS is never covered in US papers, I don't know if they're talking about the same thing I'm talking about.
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Yep. We have a very similar law to Florida in SC now. All the states in red do, the orange have the law but are awaiting court decisions
Sorry for going off topic as this isn't about sport, just that I've been reading this thread the past couple of days and I had a general question. Seemed like people might know the answer here.
At one time I'd hear the word transexual and not transgender, now it's the reverse, why is that?
Is transexual offensive?
Has transgender become to be seen as more accurate?
Are they 2 different things with transgender people simply outnumbering transexual people by a long way?
At one time I'd hear the word transexual and not transgender, now it's the reverse, why is that?
Is transexual offensive?
Has transgender become to be seen as more accurate?
Are they 2 different things with transgender people simply outnumbering transexual people by a long way?
Defending terfs now? Christ dude. You’re not helping yourself.
I think the word transexual could mistakenly be thought of as meaning sexual preference while the word transgender could only mean gender preference.
Like the transphobe discussion earlier in the thread, I find the vast majority of time "TERF" is just a label thrown at women who don't agree.
Sure there are some literal terfs or transphibes but it's so ubiquitous in it's overuse it's nearly rendered meaningless.
That guy is a literal moron, a loser and Sus as feck, likely just lighting and the pleat of the shorts
Only motivation I can guess is the apparent Russian connect, the wish to cause controversy etc. Struggling outside of that.
I enjoy this podcast during the Olympics so will check this one out on my drive to work today.
What would be the issue with the IOC or any sporting body saying if you’re born a man you can compete against men but not against women? And vice versa.
Too simplistic?
Too simplistic?
This issue is so handy, so many absolute arseholes out themselves as such. It's easier to know who the bastards are. There must always be someone to bully in society, and trans people (or even people born as women but who may, as speculated, have high testosterone as in this case) are the group in vogue for this decade. This boxer has been beaten many times by other women, so perhaps the Italian was just a bit of a rubbish boxer? But oh no, we have to get all weird about it because terf content creators NEED something to feed their outrage machine.
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XX or XY won't tell you if someone is a male or female. It doesn't answer the problem and it's not a boxing problem.
My biology is pants, I thought XX or XY would confirm male/female but not their DSD?
This whole ordeal made me realise how many low IQ people there are on socials. Do they think that a man can suddenly identify as a woman in Algeria ? Do they not know anything about the MENA region ? I mean, this is a country that banned the barbie movie because they thought the portrayal of Ken was 'too feminine'.
I would suggest that her saying that afterwards and crying is the main reason this is such a big story. It’s the main reason so many of the grifters have picked it up online. It’s the main reason no one said anything at previous competitions she was losing at, and only now is it an issue.
Of course the wider discussion of her participating is more important, but there’s nothing wrong with adding some context to the quotes.