Is this similar to the Caster Sememya issue? It's disgraceful how the athletic community treated her and I hope the same doesn't happen to this boxer.
Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC
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It was always the most inevitable thing that the victims of the current anti-trans hysteria (after trans people themselves) were going to be women who don’t conform to conventional feminine norms. As soon as people started talking about the completely impractical idea of policing toilets, it was nailed on.
I mean, you’re not wrong but what’s that got to do with this boxer?
It really doesn't seem like the Algerian boxer represents what the right wing crowd on social media are saying. She's fought plenty of women before. Maybe the Italian fighter's nerves got the best of her in the build-up and created an overwhelming fear, but the claim that she's never been punched harder, or that the Algerian has some unfair advantage, just doesn't seem accurate given her previous boxing record.
That’s the confusing bit then, as that was an IBA event and their statement is that they did a different test for that DQ.
Reuters is apparently pointing toward Khelif having a DSD here & the IBA test being for that & not testosterone, while the IOC acts like the IBAs test was for testosterone:
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/olympics-dsd-rules-focus-womens-boxing-2024-07-31/
The 2 governing bodies have made an absolute mess of this
Or she’d psyched herself out that she was fighting a “man”, got hit with a reasonable punch and overreacted. Having now seen the full replay, it’s just a fairly tame opening 30 seconds, she gets hit with one punch, took a few seconds to think about it and then walked to her corner.
That’s another complicated matter in all this.
One of the boxers started to appeal, but stopped. The other didn’t appeal at all. Both are in this Olympics because the IOC is rejecting the IBA.
Don't think I've ever seen so many social media posts on one subject deleted in such a short space of time.
Here is my issue the IBA stated that the nature of their test is confidential, we don't know what they did or if they actually did anything. And there is nothing that prevents an other organization to test athletes, the IOC could have done it or the Indian association where the fight was organized.
Agreed on all of that
On twitter, I'm seeing:
1. The one TERF I follow say this shows how men control sports
2. Most trans people I follow talk about how they're being blamed for something they aren't involved in at all
3. Pro-trans people quote tweeting Rowling and other culture warriors, who are calling the boxer a man
4. The one boxing fan I follow saying this:
1. The one TERF I follow say this shows how men control sports
2. Most trans people I follow talk about how they're being blamed for something they aren't involved in at all
3. Pro-trans people quote tweeting Rowling and other culture warriors, who are calling the boxer a man
4. The one boxing fan I follow saying this:
That’s a hell of a conspiracy theory. How did “they” convince the Italian fighter to quit on her stool?
It's a joke format. Basically saying the bigger scandal is the officiating.
And I forgot to mention WADA.
By all accounts the officiating has been very poor. Although I guess the size of the scandal is dictated by whatever news story has the biggest hook. And the Italian fighter walking away from her fight and bursting into tears is way more arresting an image than bickering over scorecards.
This is one of the first times I've seen A LOT of people on twitter in the influencer/youtube/media space go heavily in on a topic as contentious as this too. Usually they drift around it by liking and retweeting things but there have been a lot of quote tweets about this situation.
Which side are they taking? Or are you seeing a roughly equal proportion from multiple sides?
The fact that by all accounts she’s a woman? Or at the very least has been considered so her entire life.
Her potential medical conditions are entirely separate from the trans debate as there’s literally nothing trans about her. She’s from a conservative village in Algeria where I doubt she’d even have been able to ‘transition’ if she’d wanted to!
And yet here we all are, in the trans thread, discussing her rights with people calling her a man! It seem like a textbook crossfire case to me.
The side that they are a male and it's disgusting that the Olympics have made this happen.
Looking at social media, this just highlights that for the vast majority of people, this has zero to do with women sports, but just politics. That why it's virtually impossible to have an honest discussion about sports with the poison sipping in.
Oh yeah, definitely. Without knowing all the facts this seems like a similar medical “edge case” like Seminya Casteya. (probably spelled her name wrong) Just didn’t get what element was about a woman (trans or otherwise) not complying to societal norms. These very rare incidences of intersex people, or hormonal outliers are something that sport needs to address in as fair a way as possible. The fact they get sucked into online culture wars is a pity but really just a side show. And, as always, feel miles less intense the moment we put our phone down.
I feel awful for the girl. If she goes online, particularly twitter and sees what's being said she will feel like the whole world is against her 
Perhaps this being the Olympics made it a bigger story than usual.
If she has such an unfair advantage, then how come she didn't win anything notable before turning 23? Surely if she had "male" physical advantages then they would have helped her much earlier than that?
I understand the sensitivity and difficulty of all this in boxing of all things, but I can’t help but feel that the fact she competed and lost at the last Olympics - and has lost several other times too - means this has only become the controversy it is now because of the increased furore around trans issues and because she looks like Anthony… if she looked more conventionally feminine it would never have picked up with the likes of Rowling and spread like it did. People were saying the same thing about the Williams sisters when they first came through too.
Just checking Twitter now and J.K. Rowling is properly going for it on this one. Christ.
Post in thread 'The Culture Wars' https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-culture-wars.458062/post-32253147
You have zero clue what she felt and to say it looked tame is ridiculous
This is a mess and it's not going to get better.
Bizarre post. I didn’t say that I had any idea what she felt. I just pointed out that there is at least one middle option which doesn’t involve her lying or necessarily being hit with the hardest punch she’s ever felt.
I've watched a lot of boxing and the initial exchanges didn't look anything out of the ordinary, it was the usual early sparring that happens at the start of fights. If she landed a big right hand or uppercut it would be a different matter.
The Italian boxers heart clearly wasn't in it, we can only speculate why but it is plausible that thinking she is fighting a man influenced her.
Ignoring the fact that IBA refused to disclose what the test actually was or any details. The second part of the tweet requires the following quote from the NHS, hopefully people will understand where the issue with the tweet, it's in the last sentence.
Wonder if Carini will come out with a new statement on how she feels about the controversy. Her initial statements were vague and hinted at her opponent rather than just being injured.
You’d think someone who proclaims to care about the safety of women as much as Rowling does, would potentially pause to consider how trying to out a female with a rare medical condition as a violent trans man from a country where just being gay let alone trans is still illegal might not be the most safe or ‘feminist’ fecking position.
Especially when she has no clue about the actual results of any test, it's not as simple as they want to portray it.
13% KO rate. Yet two punches and the other woman is giving up on her Olympic dream in 40 seconds and crying. With head gear on. I don’t believe it for a second.
She has a broken nose.
Why not get rid of the "male" and "female" tags and make it XX and XY competitions?