I'm imaging the backlash of someone cheeky renaming the Amorim thread now
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Beşiktaş J.K.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Yeah, there's plenty if you just check the last few pages in this thread except for what'd been posted today. But you already knew that.
I didn't ask if the hate was in the room with us yesterday or one month ago!
It's funny with outsiders like that but we shouldn't be taking the piss out of our own club legends.
Ole was left in a pretty bad state with the way things ended here and the abuse he got from some of the fans was absolutely disgusting. You could clearly see from his appearance on The Overlap, that he still hadn't fully recovered mentally and the fact that Keano travelled the whole way out to his home in Norway (including an 8 hour drive) to cheer him up says it all.
I like Ole, I sometimes may even miss him. But it's just a running joke, nothing more
Great he has Rashica in the squad.
Rashy running it back
I still think United are at their best as a counter attacking side, and moving away from this plus signing Ronaldo was what spelled the end for him. Why we’re expected to hold possession in the first place is beyond me really. It’s boring, and everything I dislike about modern football as it lacks the pace we used to play with back in the day. There’s few things better than a good counter attack goal, and we were good at it. Why change?
Keano is a real one. A good captain still looks out for his men, even all these years later.
Favourite player ever. 3 seasons out practically and came back and scored 11 while winning the league. The Champions League goal but more than anything, the respect he has for the club.
While he should have been let go when he was, his tenure was definitely my favourite since Ferguson. There was a period where I genuinely thought we were nearly there, just before Ronaldo signed.
Wish him all the best
While he should have been let go when he was, his tenure was definitely my favourite since Ferguson. There was a period where I genuinely thought we were nearly there, just before Ronaldo signed.
Wish him all the best
By far our worst manager post Fergie? Come on - surely you can't be serious with that?
Did you not watch us under Ten Hag, Moyes and Van Gaal?
I agree completely.
We always had loads of possession in our best days, because teams were scared of us. And when we had to carve teams open we had the players to do it.
But we were not and have never been a tiki-taka team.
There seems to be this thought that to beat Man City you have to become Man City.
That's what did for Ole (and signing Ronaldo). This idea that we had to play on the front foot. IMO you earn the right to play on the front foot by the opposition being so scared of leaving space in behind that they retreat. Then you just lay siege to their goal with wave after wave of attacks like we used to.
Sadly, the only team that's played like that in recent years is Liverpool. And that fact probably hurts me as much as how hard we've fallen.
Shit, i always forget Moyes happened.
But you also can't be serious comparing LVG and Erik era with Solskjaer?
Shit, i always forget Moyes happened.
But you also can't be serious comparing LVG and Erik era with Solskjaer?
Did you prefer watching us play under Solskjaer or LVG's brand of football or Ten Heg's?
I know people can point to trophies under LvG and ETH but they mask how poor we really were - we were going backwards under both managers. You can beat Ole with him not winning a trophy - but in his full two seasons, he finished in the top 3 twice.
I don't really think it's a debate who we were more enjoyable to watch under.
No matter what side of the fence you are on - too say he was by far our worst manager since Fergie is wrong.
I hope not. Why would he be allowed to don't you remember how it ended?
Who’s to say it goes south like that again? We were progressing nicely until Ronaldo, Sancho and playing Maguire on the halfway line.
We were going places, or at least seemed like we were, until Ronaldo signed. Bruno looked unplayable.
We were confident and scored quite often too. Incredible to think that just about four years ago, we put 9 past the Southampton side who now had us on the ropes for 82 minutes at home.
Like other managers Solskjaer was thrown under bus by players. Nothing else. He is a good manager.
Imagine if we end up playing them. Caf will need new servers whatever the result.
Unironically our best manager since Fergie IMO
Lacked the heights but had us at a consistently good level for quite a while
Trophies are for ego. It's the vibes that matter.
Trophies are THE most important thing (not only thing of course) for clubs big as United and there is no "pointing at it". Finishing in top 4 is not a trophy.
Also, Solskjaer's football is overrated a lot here. Except first 10 games, we were pure counter attacking team.
So yeah, after Moyes he was our worst post Fergie manager.
If we put in account whole careers and managerial talent then he was by far the worst because Moyes IS in general better manager than Solskjaer.
As i said; Solskjaer manager and Solskjaer player are two completely different things.
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Yeah I get it, although it's not like he managed us for charity. Cost us £7.5m to sack him. I would manage United for free
"By far" our worst manager based on what exactly?Hm....everything?
Don't see what the money has to do with it, and you'd be pretty crazy to do it for free. Become the most criticized man in England, and have random strangers on the internet calling you a disaster and whatnot, all while not even earning enough to eat? I know I'd passYeah I get it, although it's not like he managed us for charity. Cost us £7.5m to sack him. I would manage United for free
Besides, I agree with you that we're lacking a little bit of humanness these days
Come one man, this makes no sense. They were all equally shit. At least with Ole there was some kind of feel-good factor and enjoyment for a while. You're just one of the "PE-teacher" brigade who likes to shit on him for no reason
Bring Ole back!
The way his Besiktas annihilated Athletic shows how much of an underrated manager he actually is
The way his Besiktas annihilated Athletic shows how much of an underrated manager he actually is
We played the best and most entertaining football under him. It was also the most sustainable approach from everything all the post-Ferguson managers tried to implement. That includes everyone before and after Ole. With Amorim, we'll have to wait and see, though.
I think your opinion, as many others' that cannot simply rate Ole, is heavily influenced by the fact that he wasn't a big name with an impressive CV, so you feel like he cannot possibly be a good manager. Similar to how many people just watch football through TikTok reels which makes them absolutely certain that Maguire is a Championship level defender, because they're not willing to go against the tide and the social media narratives. Especially people who don't even support United and haven't watched a full 90 of us for years.
Oh, and his last 2-3 months also gave the Ole-outers a great narrative that it was always like that throughout the full 3 years so you can cling onto your "PE teacher" narrative.
Great start, so pleased!
Shit, i always forget Moyes happened.
But you also can't be serious comparing LVG and Erik era with Solskjaer?
Ole had a vastly better goal difference and delivered back to back CL entries. The only thing Erik and LVG have on Ole is some tinpots. CL qualification is worth a lot more.
You just know Beşiktaş will play Man United in the knock out stages.
When you cant argue...
You're letting nostalgia cloud your memory of his time here. Not long after his caretaker period, he went through a survival period when he was constantly on the brink of the sack, until Bruno was brought in. He then had a decent spell again, before entering survival mode again. In between all of this there were some fun games, but ultimately we suffered so many embarrassing results, and came up short in four semi finals.
Not a hope in hell. That goes to Jose Mourinho.
Ole > Mourinho 100%
38 league game seasons show your real level much more accurately than winning some cups. Those who called Ole a loser for saying this got exactly what they deserved with ten Hag. 0 progression, regression actually, but we won 2 domestic cups I guess
Mourinho also got a piss easy Europa run and he almost managed to mess it up vs Celta Vigo in the semis. Ten Hag convincingly beating La Liga champions Barcelona in 2023 is more impressive than Mourinho's whole Europa League run in 2017. We entered every tie as overwhelming favourites and we almost didn't make the final. Feyenoord, Luhansk, Fenerbahce, Saint-Etienne, Rostov, Anderlecht, Celta Vigo, Ajax. It's a joke how much credit is given to him for this run.
The same goes for the EFL Cup and Community Shield. Leicester in the CS. Northampton, City's C team at home, West Ham, Hull, and Southampton in the EFL Cup. The first time he met an actually strong opponent in the cups was Chelsea in the FA Cup QFs and we lost immediately.
6th place finish in the PL with players like Pogba, Mata, Ibrahimovic, Martial, Rashford, etc.
The only good season under Jose was his second season. However, since the Ole haters always bring up the Villarreal game and all those semi-final exits, I have to mention how pathetic the loss to Sevilla was in the round of 16 in the CL. Also, we lost an FA Cup final to Chelsea.
And then in his third season, it all came crashing down much like Ole in his third full season.
Our 20/21 team is also the strongest side we've had since Ferguson retired. Stronger than 17/18 and 22/23, and played a more entertaining, more enjoyable, and more sustainable brand of football too.
Ole was also by far the best man-manager out of all of them. Bums like Bailly and Rojo crying to the media because they were never anywhere near good enough to displace Maguire doesn't change that.
Twitter full of weird Ole fanboys that are using Besiktas' win tonight to prove some kind of point. Ole managed Molde, Cardiff, then after getting sacked at United was without job for more than 3 years and now came to Turkish League (like past-it Mourinho). Hope he has success there but you'd think he was Pep or Klopp according to some.