Yeah, true, I’ve just been «bullied» at work for being old (35) and I felt like taking it out on someone else!
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Some workplaces are just crazy in that regard. Just a few days ago I interviewed a candidate who was fired from the startup he worked for for being too old and therefore not fitting the "company spirit".Yeah, true, I’ve just been «bullied» at work for being old (35) and I felt like taking it out on someone else!
That guy is younger than me. I'm 32. Never felt so old during a job interview.
Hah, yeah. I run a restaurant and am the second oldest person at 35..
Luckily I'm not the oldest where I work currently!Yeah, true, I’ve just been «bullied» at work for being old (35) and I felt like taking it out on someone else!
I was at a retail job where I was the oldest in the store but they wanted to hire someone younger than me for the rest of the team. That didn't last long though!
Can we give Ole a call?
To think we’ve sacked Ole and ended up in a situation where we have to stick with Amorim. What a club. So glad Ole is doing well.
At the time I agree it was time to go but his tenure was the only time I felt we were on the road back.
What about the end of Mourinho's first season and his second season? Winning EL, league cup, finishing 2nd on 81 points and an FA Cup final?
I felt there was more of a future with Ole's side.
Matic Pogba Bruno
Greenwood Rashford Martial
By definition of course Mourinho was more successful but the starters were Ibrahimovic, Lingard, Mikitarian. Never thought they'd push on.
Two top four finishes, one where we finished 2nd and now look
Man, I miss Ole. We used to score goals for fun under him.
The Ronaldo signing killed him. Think if that hadn't happened, he'd have done well...just a guess.
Seeing Amorim struggle tactically makes us realise how good Ole and dare I say Mourninho were whilst they were here. fecking hindsight is a wonderful thing but especially when it highlights how bad our current manager is doing.
Yeah... All the boring 0:0 where we slept through the first half seem so long ago...
Lets face it, while Ole stabilized us when we were in need of some stability he never seemed to be able to evolve us to the level our rivals where. We hoped for a fairy tale but it was never really on. The fact that we suffer still after trying to go down the systematic manager approach hurts, no doubt, but a) only one of those managers really had enough time to be evaluated and b) the club is seriously riddled with bad luck in terms of injuries and off-field issues.
I don't know why but for some reason, I am sure we just have to walk through the fire now. Other teams work harder than we do. They are organized better than us. And we act on the transfer market without any distinguishable plan.
As long as thats the case, I don't think it is reasonable to question systems and managers. That doesn't mean that coaches should get a free pass but we have to prevent a situation where we think all this is a roll of the dice and if we roll it often enough, we will reach promised land.
They also had better players
You guys are just odd. None of our ex managers should get anywhere near the club hot seat again or any praise. They’re all culpable.
People love to bash Ole because of his lack of pedigree but he knew what was expected from a Man United manager. He'd never play a back 5 at Old Trafford week-in week-out. Even if we had Dan James and Igalho starting, he would set us up to be dangerous on the counter attack and get the crowd off their feet.
Are you sure you're not referring to Amorim? In our last 18 first halfs, we've only scored in 2 of them. You'd never see us be this boring for consecutive months under Ole.
Nearly 80% win rate, but only a small sample of games. See in a season or two.
Criminally underrated coach. They guy has literally struggled to get a job since United and he didn't even really do a bad job.
With that team Ole would also just fail. No manager can thrive with that team.
It's slow, technicaly so unbelivable poor, lacks athletes and most of them cant get the basics right.
Ole had a much better team available lets be real here.
It's slow, technicaly so unbelivable poor, lacks athletes and most of them cant get the basics right.
Ole had a much better team available lets be real here.
There is a lot to criticize Amorim for. No doubt. But that doesn't change that we went nowhere with Ole and justed wasted time and resources on a route, that was never going to get us up there with the best. People love to describe Oles time to be exciting, well, each to their own I guess, I didn't think it was. No doubt, the time with Amorim leaves me with doubts as well. He wasn't my prefered choice and getting in halfway through the season is never something that is good. But two bad things can exist at the same time. Ole doesn't become a better coach only because Amorim struggles in these days environment.
Thats an interesting conclusion.
I think most managers would play 3 central midfielders when the other team does the same
I think the Sancho one did to.
You say we wasted time and resources on Ole but he finished 3rd and 2nd in his two full seasons. Would you have expected a PL title during that period? If anything, we wasted very little time on him because as soon as he went on a losing streak, where we were a few points adrift of top 4 in November, he was sacked.
Your last sentence is stating the obvious a little bit. I commented on this thread because, now more than ever, I miss the number of goals we'd score under Ole. Not because I think Ole has become a better coach since we hired Amorim.
For the record: I was against sacking him midway through the season. I wouldn't have made him permanent. I never had the feeling that we were on course to become the best team in the league, not even the 2nd best. I can see why people see that as some progress and these days, we'd kind of dream about that. I'd still consider the time a waste of time and resources. But thats not solely on Ole, he is "just" part of it. We naively hoped for a fairy tale, oblivious that the football environment changed so much.
Ok fair enough. I just think it is odd to choose Oles time because I don't remember us being very good offensively. Obviously better than now but who knows what Ole would achieve with Garnacho, Hojlund and Zirkzee up front. The best time under Ole was the caretaker phase where he set us up to be compact and hit teams on the counter. Which was great given that teams were still attempting to pressure is leaving so much room for us to hurt us. As soon as opposition reacted, it became way more cagey and, actually like today, we relied on individual brilliance. A simple yet effective game plan but it comes with a cap-off
Think about it domestically the two best United managers have had, one who was formerly world class (Jose) and the second being a former player who knows and can handle the expectation and size of the club (Ole).
These hipster managers like Erik / Amorim don't hit the mark likely due to the pressure associated with United. I think Erik had a good thing going opening season then lost his mind when there was funds available in the summer window.
I think the criteria of United hiring managers should be to target those with not only big club experience but having some association with bigger clubs even during their playing days. The feeling even with Ruud in charge was inherently positive, the team was winning games and it would have been the right decision to persist with him.
These hipster managers like Erik / Amorim don't hit the mark likely due to the pressure associated with United. I think Erik had a good thing going opening season then lost his mind when there was funds available in the summer window.
I think the criteria of United hiring managers should be to target those with not only big club experience but having some association with bigger clubs even during their playing days. The feeling even with Ruud in charge was inherently positive, the team was winning games and it would have been the right decision to persist with him.
If we hadn't signed Ronaldo and had to change we approached games do we think he would have struggled as much?
Happy to see him doing well.
By far the best football post Fergie was played under Ole, by far the most fun we've been to watch too.
By far the best football post Fergie was played under Ole, by far the most fun we've been to watch too.
Not at all
Plus the Europa League final. One trophy probably would've bought him more time.
End of the first season just about. It was hardly glistening but the two trophies were good. Ibrah was an inspired signing too. However even then league performance was pretty poor with lots of ups and downs. His second season was a disgrace. Poor signings (Lukaku cough) and a terrible style of play and culminating in pathetic exit from the champions league and the following quotes. It was hard to ever believe in Mourinho as manager when he simply didn’t get the club or fit the culture at all. Bobby was always right, he should never have been a Man Utd manager. Ole was the only one who really made me believe bigger things could happen, perhaps Ten Hag in season 1 as well.
Why do people always forget the league finish was 6th under mourinho and that the europa league win kind of papered over the cracks? For all the money spent, that's not good enough in hindsight. Should have been comfortably top 4 that season.
The wheels were coming off before Ronaldo was signed.
How so? The previous 30 games:
16 wins
9 draws
5 loses
Notable results: we beat Liverpool, City and Tottenham. Drew Chelsea and Arsenal. Lost to Liverpool.
Edit: Didn't include Europa Final, thought you said pre that fixture, rather than pre Ronnie signing. So you can add that in as a loss. But you get the picture.
The Europa final was a bad one for Ole, there was a lot of feeling at the time that he didn't have enough to make that step into trophies. He also said one of the things you should never say as a United manager which is how trophies are for the ego.