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How do feel about José Mourinho's appointment as Man Utd manager?

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He's perfect for us. So full of himself; so cocky. God, I love him.
 
Akash said:
You don't need to be an Abu to call Mourinho a defensive manager.
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You don't, but it doesn't really stack up against the facts does it.
Saw some stat that in his Chelsea years (obviously not the half season disaster last year) they were in the top 2 scorers in the league each of his full seasons.
Madrid they scored a tonneload too.

We've just come off a record low goal haul, so that could hardly not improve, even if we brought in the most defensive manager ever!
 
Revan said:
Fans overrate their clubs. Glaston think that Spurs are as big as United, we think that United is as big as Real, etc etc.
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We've probably always struggled to get players in over Madrid, but we at least have the worldwide status and turnover they do.

Tottenham might occasionally have a better team than us, but will never ever match us in status.
 
Raoul said:
Always wondered how he got the defensive park the bus label when his sides have wound up with a good number of goals and points.
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I think it started last season after he played very defensively in the CL which is where most fans who don't watch Chelsea teams regularly would have assumed that was their default style.
 
Sandikan said:
We've probably always struggled to get players in over Madrid, but we at least have the worldwide status and turnover they do.

Tottenham might occasionally have a better team than us, but will never ever match us in status.
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This is all that keeps us alive as one of the big four at the moment (Bayern, Madrid, Barca and us), hopefully we'll soon have a team to match our status.
 
Jose doesn't play defensive, attacking or whatever football. He plays winning football. Against a team like Liverpool with a lot of pace he will play deep and on the counter and that is why he is wrongly referred to as a defensive manager. Remember when he won against Liverpool in their bid for the title? He was slaughtered by the media for ruining football with the way he played against them.
 
AltiUn said:
I think it started last season after he played very defensively in the CL which is where most fans who don't watch Chelsea teams regularly would have assumed that was their default style.
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Mourinho has had a reputation for being a defensive manager long before last season. I would say that it is mainly from how he has set up his teams in big games over the years. He has played defensively against weaker teams than his own too though, but he mainly does it against top teams.
 
I find it amusing that Gerrard was desperate to play for Mourinho and even said last year he'd like to learn from him and work with him as a coach.

Probably changed his mind now
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I find it amusing that Gerrard was desperate to play for Mourinho and even said last year he'd like to learn from him and work with him as a coach.

Probably changed his mind now
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Probably had the liverpool massive fly over to the states and convice him he really shoudl change his mind.
 
I don't think I've ever been so divided by something in my time watching football. How do you figure out somebody like Mourinho?

The good:
He's won a lot of trophies. He's the best defensive tactician in the world. He's highly ambitious. He has a big enough personality to manage this club. He should make us a better team in the short term. He seems to be able to inspire complete commitment from his players (although only for 1-2 seasons at a time). He usually builds teams with a strong spine. He knows how to get results. He could win us a champions league without us being the best team. He's not Van Gaal.

The bad:
The mess he caused at Chelsea and his subsequent mental unraveling is worrying. But his time at Madrid is also worth examining. The paranoia, the consistent efforts to create divisions in his own squad, the conspiracy theories, sending out the likes of Pepe to basically kick the Barca players off the pitch, growing the grass long to stop any decent football from being played, the eye gauging of Villanova, purposely creating distrust and hatred between Spanish and Catalans, trying to sign Hugo fecking Almeida so Mendes could get another payday, the victimisation of Pedro Leon, purposely cultivating fear and tension in his players, allowing Mendes so much access. He was fcking insane for most of it. I remember always wanting Barca to win those Classicos because despite them being a crowd of cheats themselves, they at least tried to play good football and didn't resort to violence and negativity.

The football isn't all that good under him. Yes, when he's had better teams than everyone around him he's released the shackles and they've scored a lot of goals against the poor sides. But generally he is a very cautious manager. His genius lies in organising defences not attacking. His style has always been to counter attack and when faced with decent opposition he's often done everything he can to reduce the amount of football being played. However people try to spin things this is the truth. He doesn't specialise in the free flowing attacking football we all love.

I guess I'm just a bit worried. He seems to have turned into a complete loon in both of his last 2 clubs. He's been a paranoid mess and it's caused serious problems. Are we being a bit naive in thinking things are going to be great from here on in?
 
SteveW said:
Are we being a bit naive in thinking things are going to be great from here on in?
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Yes, clearly. If anyone is convinced it will be all roses, they're more than a bit naive. Or more likely, they're Mourinho fans - we have plenty of those on the Caf.

Could work out well enough, though - that isn't unrealistic. Personally I think he'll do well for us to begin with - and right now that'll do. He's a clear upgrade on anything we've had since Fergie.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes, clearly. If anyone is convinced it will be all roses, they're more than a bit naive. Or more likely, they're Mourinho fans - we have plenty of those on the Caf.

Could work out well enough, though - that isn't unrealistic. Personally I think he'll do well for us to begin with - and right now that'll do. He's a clear upgrade on anything we've had since Fergie.
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That's my thinking too. It's sustaining any excellence over a longer period of time that's the problem with him. For now, he'll do. The club should though be keeping tabs on other good/great/upcoming managers, just in case things start going crazy with Jose and we need to replace him.
One thing though, he won't be restless or bored - as seemed obvious at his other jobs - United is a continually huge challenge. If he gets the support behind the scenes and gets the players on his side, he'll be fine for a while I think (hope!).
 
pseudo_canadian said:
Yup, me too.

I'll have to actually see him on the touchline in United colors coaching the team before I believe it :lol:
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You'll be able to see him on the touchline anyway on June 5th? for that charity game at OT. Pretty sure it'll be electric when they announce him as the 'Manchester United manager'..:)
 
SteveW said:
I don't think I've ever been so divided by something in my time watching football. How do you figure out somebody like Mourinho?

The good:
He's won a lot of trophies. He's the best defensive tactician in the world. He's highly ambitious. He has a big enough personality to manage this club. He should make us a better team in the short term. He seems to be able to inspire complete commitment from his players (although only for 1-2 seasons at a time). He usually builds teams with a strong spine. He knows how to get results. He could win us a champions league without us being the best team. He's not Van Gaal.

The bad:
The mess he caused at Chelsea and his subsequent mental unraveling is worrying. But his time at Madrid is also worth examining. The paranoia, the consistent efforts to create divisions in his own squad, the conspiracy theories, sending out the likes of Pepe to basically kick the Barca players off the pitch, growing the grass long to stop any decent football from being played, the eye gauging of Villanova, purposely creating distrust and hatred between Spanish and Catalans, trying to sign Hugo fecking Almeida so Mendes could get another payday, the victimisation of Pedro Leon, purposely cultivating fear and tension in his players, allowing Mendes so much access. He was fcking insane for most of it. I remember always wanting Barca to win those Classicos because despite them being a crowd of cheats themselves, they at least tried to play good football and didn't resort to violence and negativity.

The football isn't all that good under him. Yes, when he's had better teams than everyone around him he's released the shackles and they've scored a lot of goals against the poor sides. But generally he is a very cautious manager. His genius lies in organising defences not attacking. His style has always been to counter attack and when faced with decent opposition he's often done everything he can to reduce the amount of football being played. However people try to spin things this is the truth. He doesn't specialise in the free flowing attacking football we all love.

I guess I'm just a bit worried. He seems to have turned into a complete loon in both of his last 2 clubs. He's been a paranoid mess and it's caused serious problems. Are we being a bit naive in thinking things are going to be great from here on in?
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From hearing Dudek's account of the Leon situation, Pedro wasn't really much of a victim at all.

But did Mourinho did go overboard at Real though. He realized he couldn't beat them in the pitch so he went to war with them instead. The 2011 UCL semi was just ugly to watch.
 
SteveW said:
The mess he caused at Chelsea and his subsequent mental unraveling is worrying. But his time at Madrid is also worth examining. The paranoia, the consistent efforts to create divisions in his own squad, the conspiracy theories, sending out the likes of Pepe to basically kick the Barca players off the pitch, growing the grass long to stop any decent football from being played, the eye gauging of Villanova, purposely creating distrust and hatred between Spanish and Catalans, trying to sign Hugo fecking Almeida so Mendes could get another payday, the victimisation of Pedro Leon, purposely cultivating fear and tension in his players, allowing Mendes so much access. He was fcking insane for most of it. I remember always wanting Barca to win those Classicos because despite them being a crowd of cheats themselves, they at least tried to play good football and didn't resort to violence and negativity.
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Sorry but what?

Also Pepe bit is strange. It seems he was a nice bloke and Mourinho turned him into a bastard.
I guess his antics from yesterday are the direct result of Mourinho's influence?
 
Raoul said:
Always wondered how he got the defensive park the bus label when his sides have wound up with a good number of goals and points.
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Because he approaches big and more difficult matches in a pragmatic manner and people who only watch those big games incorrectly extrapolate that as if he does it for every game.
 
Rado_N said:
Because he approaches big and more difficult matches in a pragmatic manner and people who only watch those big games incorrectly extrapolate that as if he does it for every game.
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Also, Fergie used to do that, especially in Europe but some people gloss over past and forget it.
 
Raoul said:
Always wondered how he got the defensive park the bus label when his sides have wound up with a good number of goals and points.
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It was his game plan in big games (rightly so when Real were underdogs vs Barcelona.. or Inter from semis onwards).

We got horrible punditry on sky (and now BT) from ex players/pundits who saw 3 games a year and assumed he's defensive in every game. That plus a social media bandwagon just gave him the label.
 
Ban said:
Sorry but what?

Also Pepe bit is strange. It seems he was a nice bloke and Mourinho turned him into a bastard.
I guess his antics from yesterday are the direct result of Mourinho's influence?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-tactics-ahead-Champions-League-showdown.html

Mourinho had lost his mind at the time. He's been an absolute loon for about 6 years now actually. He did manage to win 2 leagues in that time also

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/aug/18/jose-mourinho-violence-barca-failure
 
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SteveW said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-tactics-ahead-Champions-League-showdown.html

Mourinho had lost his mind at the time. He's been an absolute loon for about 6 years now actually. He did manage to win 2 leagues in that time also

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/aug/18/jose-mourinho-violence-barca-failure
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Where's a bit about him growing grass too long?
Edit: First link doesn't work. And Xavi has been active of blaming various clubs of having grass too long so his precious team can't play their football. Nothing to see there.

Also Pepe has been a lunatic before Mourinho and is still a lunatic.
 
SteveW said:
I don't think I've ever been so divided by something in my time watching football. How do you figure out somebody like Mourinho?

The good:
He's won a lot of trophies. He's the best defensive tactician in the world. He's highly ambitious. He has a big enough personality to manage this club. He should make us a better team in the short term. He seems to be able to inspire complete commitment from his players (although only for 1-2 seasons at a time). He usually builds teams with a strong spine. He knows how to get results. He could win us a champions league without us being the best team. He's not Van Gaal.

The bad:
The mess he caused at Chelsea and his subsequent mental unraveling is worrying. But his time at Madrid is also worth examining. The paranoia, the consistent efforts to create divisions in his own squad, the conspiracy theories, sending out the likes of Pepe to basically kick the Barca players off the pitch, growing the grass long to stop any decent football from being played, the eye gauging of Villanova, purposely creating distrust and hatred between Spanish and Catalans, trying to sign Hugo fecking Almeida so Mendes could get another payday, the victimisation of Pedro Leon, purposely cultivating fear and tension in his players, allowing Mendes so much access. He was fcking insane for most of it. I remember always wanting Barca to win those Classicos because despite them being a crowd of cheats themselves, they at least tried to play good football and didn't resort to violence and negativity.

The football isn't all that good under him. Yes, when he's had better teams than everyone around him he's released the shackles and they've scored a lot of goals against the poor sides. But generally he is a very cautious manager. His genius lies in organising defences not attacking. His style has always been to counter attack and when faced with decent opposition he's often done everything he can to reduce the amount of football being played. However people try to spin things this is the truth. He doesn't specialise in the free flowing attacking football we all love.

I guess I'm just a bit worried. He seems to have turned into a complete loon in both of his last 2 clubs. He's been a paranoid mess and it's caused serious problems. Are we being a bit naive in thinking things are going to be great from here on in?
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I bet you weren't moaning when Fergie sent out his teams to kick the shit out of Arsenal or were calling it bad.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes, clearly. If anyone is convinced it will be all roses, they're more than a bit naive. Or more likely, they're Mourinho fans - we have plenty of those on the Caf.

Could work out well enough, though - that isn't unrealistic. Personally I think he'll do well for us to begin with - and right now that'll do. He's a clear upgrade on anything we've had since Fergie.
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I think most on here are doing him a disservice or maybe I'm being too optimistic in thinking that Mourinho would have taken note of how things unravelled for him at Real Madrid and Chelsea so he will try to analyze and change the bits about his approach that caused such divisions within his dressing rooms. This job might be the last job where he is taken seriously and if he allows the same shit to go dow he is history at the top level. That plus the omnipotence a manager enjoys here is basically what I'm pinning my hopes on.
 
SteveW said:
I don't think I've ever been so divided by something in my time watching football. How do you figure out somebody like Mourinho?

The good:
He's won a lot of trophies. He's the best defensive tactician in the world. He's highly ambitious. He has a big enough personality to manage this club. He should make us a better team in the short term. He seems to be able to inspire complete commitment from his players (although only for 1-2 seasons at a time). He usually builds teams with a strong spine. He knows how to get results. He could win us a champions league without us being the best team. He's not Van Gaal.

The bad:
The mess he caused at Chelsea and his subsequent mental unraveling is worrying. But his time at Madrid is also worth examining. The paranoia, the consistent efforts to create divisions in his own squad, the conspiracy theories, sending out the likes of Pepe to basically kick the Barca players off the pitch, growing the grass long to stop any decent football from being played, the eye gauging of Villanova, purposely creating distrust and hatred between Spanish and Catalans, trying to sign Hugo fecking Almeida so Mendes could get another payday, the victimisation of Pedro Leon, purposely cultivating fear and tension in his players, allowing Mendes so much access. He was fcking insane for most of it. I remember always wanting Barca to win those Classicos because despite them being a crowd of cheats themselves, they at least tried to play good football and didn't resort to violence and negativity.

The football isn't all that good under him. Yes, when he's had better teams than everyone around him he's released the shackles and they've scored a lot of goals against the poor sides. But generally he is a very cautious manager. His genius lies in organising defences not attacking. His style has always been to counter attack and when faced with decent opposition he's often done everything he can to reduce the amount of football being played. However people try to spin things this is the truth. He doesn't specialise in the free flowing attacking football we all love.

I guess I'm just a bit worried. He seems to have turned into a complete loon in both of his last 2 clubs. He's been a paranoid mess and it's caused serious problems. Are we being a bit naive in thinking things are going to be great from here on in?
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Hard to say which Mourinho we will get,hopefully not the latter.

There was probably a combination of things that drove him over the edge,just hope he made use of the time off he had and gave him some time to reflect and to handle situations better in future.

I'm 50/50 on his appointment in that he was the best available option out there,he will improve us,win us some trophies and is better than another shite season under LVG. I'm just a bit concerned with his antics with his last 2 jobs and how he will react when the going gets tough.
 
Attila said:
His first Chelsea team were a penalty kick from doing it. More often than not he leaves a strong team
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A fair referee away from a second final the year after too?!:angel: Fecking bald ref, robbed us second and consecutive CL winning feat, agent Mou built his team to help us with. :mad:
 
Raoul said:
Always wondered how he got the defensive park the bus label when his sides have wound up with a good number of goals and points.
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I had a long debate with a few United fans who were calling him defensive and I didn't believe that to be the case. So i looked up his stats:

12 Full Seasons
Most goals in the league: 7/12
Champion: 8/12
Least goals conceded in the league: 9/12
2/3 Outscored Pep’s Barcelona

Mourinho at Porto

2002-3: Porto
Goals Scored: 73 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 26 (Least)
League Position: 1

2003-04 : Porto
Goals Scored 63 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 19 (Least)
League Position: 1

2004-05 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 72 (Only Arsenal had more at 87)
Goals Conceded: 15 (Least)
League Position: 1

2005-06 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 72 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 22 (Least)
League Position: 1

2006-07 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 64 (Only Utd had more at 83)
Goals Conceded: 22 (Least)
League Position: 2

Sacked in 2007-08 from Chelsea

2008-09 : Inter
Goals Scored: 70 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 32 (Least)
League Position: 1

2009-10 : Inter
Goals Scored: 75 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 34 (Least)
League Position: 1

2010-11 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 102 (Most in the league - outscoring mighty Pep’s Barca)
Goals Conceded: 33 (after Barca at 21)
League Position: 2

2011-12 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 121 (Most in the league - outscoring mighty Pep’s Barca)
Goals Conceded: 33 (after Barca at 29)
League Position: 1

2012-13 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 103 (Only Barca had more at 115)
Goals Conceded: 42 (after Barca at 40)
League Position: 2

2013-14 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 71 (Third highest after City and Liverpool 102,101)
Goals Conceded: 27 (Least)
League Position: 3

2014-15 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 73 (Only City had more at 83)
Goals Conceded: 32 (Least)
League Position: 1

2015-16 - Sacked
 
royboy16 said:
Hard to say which Mourinho we will get,hopefully not the latter.

There was probably a combination of things that drove him over the edge,just hope he made use of the time off he had and gave him some time to reflect and to handle situations better in future.

I'm 50/50 on his appointment in that he was the best available option out there,he will improve us,win us some trophies and is better than another shite season under LVG. I'm just a bit concerned with his antics with his last 2 jobs and how he will react when the going gets tough.
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I'm kind of the same. I've been in great mood since LVG got sacked and feeling really excited about our prospects under Mourinho. But then I actually put emotion aside and really think about the type of manager Mourinho has been over the last few years.

I'm hopeful he'll succeed but almost certain if it does it won't be sustained. There's just too much evidence against it. Even when Real won the league there were serious problems in the camp. He was fighting with everyone and looking for a way out of the club. Again even when Chelsea won the league the signs of trouble were there for the last few months of the season.

I see no logical reason why we should just ignore all of this. It's important. If he continues to be the paranoid headcase he has been over the last few seasons things could go very wrong very quickly.

My hope is that if things do go wrong, we will have at least made some decent signings that we wouldn't otherwise have been able to make. If we had kept LVG nobody would have wanted to come near OT this summer.
 
snk123 said:
I had a long debate with a few United fans who were calling him defensive and I didn't believe that to be the case. So i looked up his stats:

12 Full Seasons
Most goals in the league: 7/12
Champion: 8/12
Least goals conceded in the league: 9/12
2/3 Outscored Pep’s Barcelona

Mourinho at Porto

2002-3: Porto
Goals Scored: 73 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 26 (Least)
League Position: 1

2003-04 : Porto
Goals Scored 63 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 19 (Least)
League Position: 1

2004-05 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 72 (Only Arsenal had more at 87)
Goals Conceded: 15 (Least)
League Position: 1

2005-06 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 72 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 22 (Least)
League Position: 1

2006-07 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 64 (Only Utd had more at 83)
Goals Conceded: 22 (Least)
League Position: 2

Sacked in 2007-08 from Chelsea

2008-09 : Inter
Goals Scored: 70 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 32 (Least)
League Position: 1

2009-10 : Inter
Goals Scored: 75 (Most in the league)
Goals Conceded: 34 (Least)
League Position: 1

2010-11 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 102 (Most in the league - outscoring mighty Pep’s Barca)
Goals Conceded: 33 (after Barca at 21)
League Position: 2

2011-12 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 121 (Most in the league - outscoring mighty Pep’s Barca)
Goals Conceded: 33 (after Barca at 29)
League Position: 1

2012-13 : Real Madrid
Goals Scored: 103 (Only Barca had more at 115)
Goals Conceded: 42 (after Barca at 40)
League Position: 2

2013-14 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 71 (Third highest after City and Liverpool 102,101)
Goals Conceded: 27 (Least)
League Position: 3

2014-15 : Chelsea
Goals Scored: 73 (Only City had more at 83)
Goals Conceded: 32 (Least)
League Position: 1

2015-16 - Sacked
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Good post. Pretty much puts to rest the park the bus narrative.
 
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