Only Imran and Pietersen have a poorer average(34 vs 30 for Imran) and (47 vs 45 for Pietersen). For the rest, you can say that the increase is small but then cant class them poor chasers because of that. A poor chaser will be someone whose average drops significantly for me, see the whole current pakistani side.
ODI Cricket Draft: Skills vs MJJ
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Only Imran and Pietersen have a poorer average(34 vs 30 for Imran) and (47 vs 45 for Pietersen). For the rest, you can say that the increase is small but then cant class them poor chasers because of that. A poor chaser will be someone whose average drops significantly for me, see the whole current pakistani side.
Like I said to varun above, wait and see. Give maxwell a big tournament and opinions regarding him will revise a lot. He is like a more consistent afridi.
Kapil Dev has an economy of 3.59. Meaning he doesn't concede runs as much. finishing your quota conceding 30 odd runs taking at best a wicket is much more important than conceding 50 or 60 to take 5 imo.
Steyn here seems to have an economy of 5+ bowling first so he will probably go for some runs.
Steyn here seems to have an economy of 5+ bowling first so he will probably go for some runs.
. rather not.That isn't a role that would be required of maxwell. A good one day unit has players equipped to perform a certain role. MJJ'a side has enough players to bat through the innings while other hitters play around them. that's why I called it a well balanced batting unit.
Hypotheticals. As on date, maxwell has done nothing to be seen anywhere close to sehwag's level. His T20 performances don't count for anything in ODIs.
He has potential to become a great-ish sort of player (Though I am not a huge fan of his), but based on current trends, Smith and Bailey (though older) are higher up the ladder for me.
The era both played in are important there, if you are going to give credit to skills batsman ( that the lower strike rate is due to the era) then you have to take that away from the bowlers. If you are just going to judge by the numbers, instead of taking era into account, then his batsmen are too slow.
And Steyn is like my third/fourth best bowler.
Either works for me
Yep, I know. was just a hypothetical. His MO is too strong for Skills's bowling.
Oh no, not poor. Not bad, not great, just average. I don't think toss matters much for this match.
Thats why I said talking outside of the draft, I know it will be useless to judge him based on what may happen.
Thats just my general opinion on his ability.
Smith is going to be a legend, him, williamson, kohli and root to a lesser extent are going to define the era after AB retires in terms of batsman.
I think maxwell is going to surpass bailey eventually.
I would have agreed until I saw the difference in Imran's stats when bowling second compared to when bowling first. Dude transforms from an above average bowler to something monstrous based on that.
Maxwell is as good as Sehwag? The feck are you on?
If we're looking at as on date record, then MAxwell averages about the same as 3 or 4 of skills' batsmen at almost double the strike rate. Dude is a serious fecking player not someone to be scoffed at because he's really good at hitting the ball.
Alright. Talking in general, I rate him too but I still think he has a lot to learn. Unlike T20s, he can't have just 1 gear. Needs atleast a couple but doesn't seem to have it. Also, is too much of a heave it on the leg side player for my liking. Needs to improve in that regard too. Really enjoy watching him play so I hope he does it.
Yeah, I think the next couple of years will define his legacy. Is at that age where he should be taking more responsibility and shows that he isnt just a slogger.
Mentioned this in the draft thread as well. When he started his career he was a talented buffoon who I thought would go the way of Afridi.
But he's come on great since then. Look at his average over the last year. Wouldn't surprise me if he got a test recall again.
I like Skills top 3, MJJs middle order and probably Skills bowling. Skills edges it for now.
No, he isn't, not yet having just crossed the 50 game mark. I just checked and 70% of his odi runs have come against probably the 2 shittiest bowling attacks around in England and India. He has aged almost half his games vs them but still, just see the distribution. He's a good hitter ofcourse, no arguments there.
Go deeper and see who he has played against.
The era both played in are important there, if you are going to give credit to skills batsman ( that the lower strike rate is due to the era) then you have to take that away from the bowlers. If you are just going to judge by the numbers, instead of taking era into account, then his batsmen are too slow.
And Steyn is like my third/fourth best bowler.
Either works for me
Point is not to say he will concede only 35. It's that his MO is to stifle runs. That economy is top even amongst bowlers in 80s. Strike rates if you see would be about 70-80 in the 80s and 90s for even the best of batsmen too.
So, we can't rate him on current record, recent record or future potential because people have already made their minds up. I'm out.
Yeah, agree with you there. A strike rate of 75-80 was normal for that era, although skills side is still on the lower range of that. But given that his batsman wont score a lot ( relying on pointing basically), you need wicket taking options in there. Not someone who will just stop the runs.
Why would you rank his bowling better?
Everyone rates him. No doubt, he would be deadly coming in at 6 to finish off a run chase.
Just doubtful to what extent his legacy will sustain. Bevans is the greatest finisher ever in Australian cricket. If he reaches even 3/4th of that level, his legacy will reach a new height. Honestly, I doubt he would even be needed. Your 3-4-5 are way too good.
This Pringle fellow might end up being the weak link for Skills. Could see his overs proving expensive.
Which spring roll is this ? There are so many of them.
Pick your toys up ffs, I voted for your team long back
Saying stuff like he's at sehwag's level is obviously going to be pointed out. We are supposed to go by what he has done so far right? Well in maxwell's case, it isn't much. I see him as someone who's good for a quick 25-30 and actually considered that a plus for you but then MJJ brought sehwag into itIf you're smart enough to find stats to put down your opposition, you should be smart enough to make sure they're accurate.Atleast you arent getting shit for writing a 9 instead of a 0.
Somehow didn't see you overlooking the typo if you'd written 20, for instance.
Don't confuse your present with your past when it comes to bowlingHe destroyed pakistan, which is why I respect him
Grouping
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
v England 14 12 1 474 95 43.09 419 113.12 0 4 1 59 5
v India 13 12 1 460 96 41.81 334 137.72 0 4 0 39 22
v New Zealand 6 6 5 1 36 29* 9.00 40 90.00 0 0 2 2 2
v Pakistan 7 7 2 283 76 56.60 258 109.68 0 2 0 22 9
v South Africa 7 7 0 47 29 6.71 51 92.15 0 0 2 6 0
v Sri Lanka 5 5 5 0 156 102 31.20 106 147.16 1 0 0 17 5
Its actually not that bad @Varun.
Average of 43(eng), 41(ind) 9!(nz), 57(pak), 6!(SA) and 31(Sri)
Has only poor return against nz and sa, and that will change once he plays more matches there.
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6sv England 14 12 1 474 95 43.09 419 113.12 0 4 1 59 5
v India 13 12 1 460 96 41.81 334 137.72 0 4 0 39 22
v New Zealand 6 6 5 1 36 29* 9.00 40 90.00 0 0 2 2 2
v Pakistan 7 7 2 283 76 56.60 258 109.68 0 2 0 22 9
v South Africa 7 7 0 47 29 6.71 51 92.15 0 0 2 6 0
v Sri Lanka 5 5 5 0 156 102 31.20 106 147.16 1 0 0 17 5
Its actually not that bad @Varun.
Average of 43(eng), 41(ind) 9!(nz), 57(pak), 6!(SA) and 31(Sri)
Has only poor return against nz and sa, and that will change once he plays more matches there.
It isn't bad. My point was that his stats are heavily padded by batting against 2 of the shittiest bowling attacks in cricket atm.
Gone for Skills.
Dude, you are making a big issue out of nothing. Everyone knew where I got the stats from, so they could have double checked it. I had calculated the stats for three different scenarios in our inbox and it was late at night.
The 9 and 0 buttons are right next to each other, and no one gives a feck if his average is 39 or 30 except for you.
Never mind, found the right spring roll. Why do you think he will be expensive @Akshay . He has an econ of 4.45, very respectable for a fast bowler. Not everyone can be a McGrath or Fanie (*Completes Mandatory advertising*)
Nope, the point is that you should've given a feck.
Don't confuse your present with your past when it comes to bowling
yeah we are shit, I dont think we are much better than bangladesh right now