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ODI Cricket Draft: Skills vs MJJ
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Imran Khan is better all-rounder than Kapil. I am talking in general mind, not specifically for ODIs. For ODIs both won their country their first world cup and contributed greatly so both have great legacy in ODI too. If I have to choose one though it will be Imran.
Sometimes these over-analysis with numbers is a bit too much. The buck has to stop somewhere. I am looking for insight into how the game would pan out, but all I am hearing are numbers. If atleast someone translated what those numbers meant, would be helpful.
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He is bowling second here, that's the average econ you should be looking at.
Steve, the Australian boy wonder. Had his full name in my writeup.
I use howstat. I find cricinfo to be be far from user friendly.
Absolutely. 1st innings, 2nd innings, all kinds of numbers being thrown around.
I try and look at it this way. Skills is batting first. In the subcontinent. How much is he likely to get vs MJJ's bowling attack and then, does MJJ have the batting to chase the target down. Key players. Key battles. Strengths and weaknesses. Numbers are boring. Useless too as they miss the context completely especially of an all time draft.
Yep. The test matches were so good. It had everything, Numbers, battles, strengths, weaknesses. That's the quality of discussions we need here.
How do you think this game will unfold ?
But his numbers fielding first as the captain playing in Sri Lanka bowling as second change to left handers with fielding restrictions are poor. There is no excuse.
Yeah I chose innings 2 and it shows different stats
I don't think batting first vs second will make a huge difference here. Skills doesn't have the batsmen to put up a huge total and MJJ doesn't have any players especially suited to chasing. Think it will mostly come down to who can handle the subcontinent conditions better. It can be really hard to score runs at any kind of rate in Sri Lanka when the pitch is a dustbowl. Favors bowlers who know how to choke off the runs.
I think skills would need Astle to give them a good fast start. Attapatu needs time so Astle has to fire. They are up against Steyn, Imran and Gough though so it won't be easy. Ponting is by far the standout batter there and needs to score big given he bats at a good pace. I think flower and azhar are good support. Don't really rate Samuels too highly but he can hit a few. Kapil too can score a quick 30 in the end. All in all, I would expect his side to get around 250 or so normally. MJJ has the batting to chase that down imo. Good balanced top 5 with hitters and innings builder with a finisher in maxwell and another all rounder in imran. Bishop Kapil and Saqlain need to bowl really really well to give skills a chance as I don't see Ntini causing much problems. No idea who Pringle is btw.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/30028.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling
matches batting first 1978-1994 112 108 883.1 122 3175 106 4/54 29.95 3.59 49.9
Probably made a type on the average. Is 30 not 39.
Sorry what? Almost all of my batters have a better average batting second i.e. adept at chasing. Smith,Lara,Pietersen will keep the scoreboard ticking and the runs with come at a quick rate. Maxwell,Imran and Pietersen will finish things off near the end as well.
If kalu gets going, which he is very capable of doing, then the score will come down even further. His best bowler is ntini/dev so dont really expect a lot of trouble for my batters(saqlain will come into the equation later).
Ntini is a better ODI bowler than Steyn.
Seems like youve been telling big lies.
Considering the fact, that I have the second or third best pakistani fast bowler, the best english bowler, the best modern bowler in steyn, I really dont see astle getting a big score here. Its all on Pointing.
Tahir is going to dry up the runs later on as well.
Steyn is not a great ODI bowler.
His figures are the same as ntini, so ntini isnt a great ODI bowler too?
Don't really rate Maxwell all that much. He's a bit of a senseless wrecking ball. I doubt Imran would be so good in a run chase if it came down to him. MJJ does have the weaker pair of openers. If they crumble early, a lot will have to be done by his middle order. But the presence of Smith and Lara there will be a relief to any coach. Yeah, a lot will depend on Skills's Subcontinental contingent. Kapil and Saqlain have to put in a top top performance. And Skills doesn't know who the pringle is either. He must have been hungry at the time.
Pretty significant.39 instead of 30? Yeah, thats a big lie.
One could argue Ntini is better, and probably be right.
Dude! Maxwell is one of the cleanest hitters in world cricket right now. A senseless hitter seriously?
Imran will be okay in a run-rate, he thrived under pressure and has a pretty good average and strike rate(for that era) when chasing.
Kapil's bowling stats when bowling second are very average.
Seems like MJJ's strategy is just lying. I might just disqualify him tbh.
Or you know right next to each other on the keyboard and a simply typo like I said.
I wonder who here went oh if his average was only 30 I would have been okay with it.
Disagree here, I rate steyn higher.
and you just said I wouldn't necessarily say cleanly. But yeah, when he hits them sweetly, they stay hit. But he can be a bit of a loose cannon too. I think he would do well in a run chase (As evidenced in the past) though. If it's him and pietersen, there is no doubt that the two of them can easily finish off the game. But if it were down to Maxwell and Imran, I wouldn't be too sure.
Statistically he is.
Lemme just remove 25% from the batting averages of your batsmen.
Lara: 33
Kalu: 16.5 (why the feck do you have a tailender opening)
erm okay.
Maxwell is good for a quick 30. Not saying he'll have a big innings to win the game.
His average is 30+, I would class someone like afridi a loose cannon but maxwell is better than that. I would rank him alongside someone like sehwag personally.
I can't believe I'm losing this.
In reality what would happen is, Ponting would whip out his batting cock and each of MJJ's bowler would take turns to fellate him. We would end up with a score of 350+ and then choke his team out for a double digit score.
In reality what would happen is, Ponting would whip out his batting cock and each of MJJ's bowler would take turns to fellate him. We would end up with a score of 350+ and then choke his team out for a double digit score.
Lol ^
Absolutely no way.
Yeah, good if you need those quick runs. But how do you rate Pietersens and Maxwells ability to actually win a game if the RRR was more modest. Say like 6-7 an over. Would they still go gung ho or would they be sensible ? I know pietersen would be, but I doubt Maxwell would have that sort of self control/adaptability.
The differences aren't really big, though, and some of your batsmen score lower. Overall, given the small sample size, I don't think it's significant.
By the end of their career, they will be viewed as equals. I checked maxwell's stats when picking him, he has the best average to strike rate ratio currently. I think only ab and faulkner had an average higher than 35 with a 100+ SR(AB's average is 50, dude is crazy) but both of them had a significantly lower strike rate.
Give it a world cup or another major event, and maxwells rep is going to change.
This is talking outside of the draft, not just selling him cos he is my guy.
Unless you dont rate sehwag at all, in which case I disagree, dude was class.
Not Sehwag. Sehwag was miles and miles better. Maxwell has a long long way to go. I rate Bailey a better player than Maxwell tbh, though they play very different roles for the team.