ODI Cricket Draft: Skills vs MJJ

Who will win the ODI?


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Batting First.

Atapattu-40 ave 70 sr
Astle-36 ave 73 sr
pointing-42 ave 82 sr
flowers-37 ave 76 sr
azharuddin-36 ave 73 sr
samuel-36 ave 75 sr
kapil dev-24 ave 100 sr

Bowling Second

kapil dev-39 ave 3.59 econ 50 sr
ntini 23 ave 4.43 econ 31.4 sr
mushtaq 23.22 4.19 econ 33.2 sr
bishop -25 4.26 econ 35 sr
pringle-22.6 4.51 econ 30 sr

MJJ:

Batting


Stephan Fleming- Batting Average 37.35 Strike Rate=75.90 (Average improves to 39 when batting second)
Romesh Kaluwitharana-Batting Average 22.22 Strike Rate=77.70 (Average improves slightly to 24 when batting second, if we consider his peak in 1999 then Batting Average is 30)
Steve Smith-Batting Average of 51 over the last three years with a strike rate of 90. (Average improves to 57 when batting second)
Brian Lara- Batting Average of 44 from 92-03 with a strike rate of 80 (Average improves to 47 when batting second)
Kevin Peitersen-Batting Average of 47 from 05-08 with strike rate of 88 (Average of 45 when batting second and 119 when batting at five.)
Gregg Maxwell-Batting Average of 35 with a striker rate of 125 (Average improves to 37 when batting second)
Imran Khan-Batting average of 34 from 82-90 with a strike rate of 76 (Average of 30 when batting second and 31 with a strike rate of 80 when batting at seven)

Bowling

Steyn- Average 25 Econ 4.86 Strike Rate 32 (Bowling first:- Average 26, Econ 5.05 Strike Rate 31.8)
Gough- Average 26 Econ 4.39 Strike Rate 36 ( Bowling first:- Average 22 Econ 4.21 Strike Rate 31.4)
Imran Khan- Average 23.32 Econ 3.95 Strike Rate 35 (Bowling first:- Average 19.56 Economy 4.15 Strike Rate 28
Patterson- Average 24 Econ 4.38 Strike Rate 34 (Bowling first:- Average 33 Economy 4.75 Strike Rate 42)
Tahir-Average 24 Economy 4.65 Strike Rate 31 (Bowling first:- Average 24.95 Economy 4.61 Strike Rate 32.4)
Smith- Average 30 Economy 6.16 Strike Rate 29.4
Maxwell-Average 40 Economy 5.56 Strike Rate 43.3

@Akshay will this be sufficient? Dont think the bowlers will make that much of a difference in the simulation.
 
Sims don't take into account things like Conditions, size of the pitch etc. and all do they ? It's deciding the outcome based on an algorithm.
 
The reason my batting line up has a lower strike rate is because they're from a different era obviously.

Ponting for example has a lower career strike rate than Steve Smith, but was far far more destructive than Smith could ever hope to be.
 
His batting lineup has a strike rate of 75, pointing aside.

Meh.. stats from different eras have to be taken into context. Astle for one is capable of batting with healthy SR. If he was around nowdays, he would defnitely be one of the faster scorers. Attapatu and Flower have their roles and Kapil at the back end is a great asset. Only problem in that line up for me is Samuels' position. He is a slow starter and needs to come in higher.
 
Statistically, MJJ is slightly favored. After 1000 simulations, MJJ averaged 211/7, winning 56% of the matches. Skills averaged 206/7, winning 44%.
I don't think you should post these. It could influence the voting too much and render it useless.
 
Na, I think it's cool for the fence sitters to use it as a final decider.
Yeah, but the algorthim he coded is basic I think (@Akshay if you could comment more on the program, would be great). Takes into account only the stats. Not the playing conditions, batting first/second. Swing, turn conditions, momentum etc, things like that. People who have watched the game can give a better input on that.

In any case, I downloaded Cricket Captain today. I'll see if I can create custom teams and sim the game. :p
 
The reason my batting line up has a lower strike rate is because they're from a different era obviously.

Ponting for example has a lower career strike rate than Steve Smith, but was far far more destructive than Smith could ever hope to be.
But your top 5 in general with the exception of Ponting are not big hitters. Astle, Flower and Attapatu were good at finding gaps, but were not that good at rotating strike (Flower a little better maybe). Even in the modern game, I wouldn't expect their SR to improve that much. Ponting's might have though, but it might have come at the expense of his Ave.
 
But your top 5 in general with the exception of Ponting are not big hitters. Astle, Flower and Attapatu were good at finding gaps, but were not that good at rotating strike (Flower a little better maybe). Even in the modern game, I wouldn't expect their SR to improve that much. Ponting's might have though, but it might have come at the expense of his Ave.

Astle had the record for quickest 200 in test match at one point whereas Flower was an innovator. Made the sweep and reverse sweep famous.

I've no doubt that both of them would have an higher strike rate now.

MJJ's openers are a tad weak but his middle order is actually ridiculous.
 
Astle had the record for quickest 200 in test match at one point whereas Flower was an innovator. Made the sweep and reverse sweep famous.

I've no doubt that both of them would have an higher strike rate now.

MJJ's openers are a tad weak but his middle order is actually ridiculous.
Yes, but that's a Test record. You've said it yourself, players should be based solely on their ODI career. He did have quite a few excellent knocks even in the ODIs. He was Good at finding gaps, but his running between the wickets was pretty average, which makes me think that there won't be a massive jump in his SR.
Flower already agreed, he would get a better SR, so too would Ponting. Still can't see a score beyond 260ish though.
MJJs middle order can chase that down. Saqlain might scalp a few (Pietersen especially).
 
Is that from the cricket simulator that was talked about in the main thread?
Yes.

Yeah, but the algorthim he coded is basic I think (@Akshay if you could comment more on the program, would be great). Takes into account only the stats. Not the playing conditions, batting first/second. Swing, turn conditions, momentum etc, things like that. People who have watched the game can give a better input on that.

In any case, I downloaded Cricket Captain today. I'll see if I can create custom teams and sim the game. :p
It is indeed very basic. It does not take anything into account except 4 stats: bat avg, bat SR, bowl avg, bowl economy. Everything else you mentioned is subjective, so I don't think it should be in a stats sim like this.

This wasn't really meant to be taken so seriously, just for a bit of fun. Stats only tell half the story, lies, damn lies and statistics etc. If people feel it is being too influential, I shall discontinue.
 
Yes.


It is indeed very basic. It does not take anything into account except 4 stats: bat avg, bat SR, bowl avg, bowl economy. Everything else you mentioned is subjective, so I don't think it should be in a stats sim like this.

This wasn't really meant to be taken so seriously, just for a bit of fun. Stats only tell half the story, lies, damn lies and statistics etc. If people feel it is being too influential, I shall discontinue.
Why not post it after a match is over ? The meltdowns might be hilarious :p
 
Starting XIs:

Skills: 1. Astle 2. Atapattu 3. Ponting 4. Flower 5. Azharuddin 6. Samuels 7. Kapil Dev 8. Ian Bishop 9. Pringle 10. Saqlain 11. Ntini

MJJ: 1.Kaluwitharana 2. Fleming 3. Smith 4. Lara 5. Peitersen 6. Maxwell 7. Imran Khan 8. Gough 9. Steyn 10. Tahir 11.Patterson
Can the lineups be posted in vertical order please?
 
First thoughts, never rated little Kalu.

Second thoughts, will have them.
 
Can the lineups be posted in vertical order please?
Is there any site you are aware of that can allow you to build teams and share them (like how it is done on the footy drafts)? I looked but couldn't find em'
 
I'd like to add that aside from our seamers, we have a genuine wicket taker in Imran Tahir. Probably won't get credit because he didn't play in the 1870's but he's someone who can spin it big and has the variations to confuse the batsmen. And has a strike rate that's very close to Saqlains own.
 
Meh.. stats from different eras have to be taken into context. Astle for one is capable of batting with healthy SR. If he was around nowdays, he would defnitely be one of the faster scorers. Attapatu and Flower have their roles and Kapil at the back end is a great asset. Only problem in that line up for me is Samuels' position. He is a slow starter and needs to come in higher.

Lara,Imran Khan, Fleming are from the same era and have a better strike rate. Flowers average is very poor and so is kapil's. Who is going to accelerate the innings towards the end once astle is gone? Only worldclass batsman in his side is pointing.
 
I'd like to add that aside from our seamers, we have a genuine wicket taker in Imran Tahir. Probably won't get credit because he didn't play in the 1870's but he's someone who can spin it big and has the variations to confuse the batsmen. And has a strike rate that's very close to Saqlains own.
Saqlain was on a different level to Tahir.
 
I'd like to add that aside from our seamers, we have a genuine wicket taker in Imran Tahir. Probably won't get credit because he didn't play in the 1870's but he's someone who can spin it big and has the variations to confuse the batsmen. And has a strike rate that's very close to Saqlains own.

To be fair Saqlain has at least 4 times more games than Tahir.
 
It can't be Greame as he has Steyn and Tahir in the team.

Although you never know with MJJ. He has got Bermudan Whale there as well even though that thing hasn't played 50 ODIs.
 
I would have to say no. Was clearly the superior bowler/allrounder.

Kapil average drops to 39 when bowling second and strike rate to 50. That's average at best.

Based on Cricinfo, The average seems to be 30 and economy is 3.5 . That's pretty good
 
It can't be Greame as he has Steyn and Tahir in the team.

Although you never know with MJJ. He has got Bermudan Whale there as well even though that thing hasn't played 50 ODIs.
That feckall write up might just be the vote swinger.
 
Wikipedia says Bermudan Whale lives right above a curry house.

They are taking the piss and saying that he is a policeman and drives a prison van. The only thing he ever 'drives' is that elevator down to the curry house.