Sounds like Barca want him. Definitely can't see us getting him and Ramos, as said already.
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That would mean Blind is a full time holding mid and makes replacing Carrick unnessecary. There's just no way we'll sign both Otamendi and Ramos, is there any team out there with 5 senior centrebacks with 2 youth products aswell?
I'd happy sell Blackett, keep McNair but loan him out.
I know it's not likely, as it would be competition overkill, but it would give us plenty of options. Considering the injury records of our CB's, could we have too many?
There's no way it will be both of them, that would be overkill. We need one senior centre back to partner any of Jones/Smalling/Rojo.
Well the flipside to that argument is then we need a RB, Do we not? either way we really should be investing in two defenders anyway.
I'd happy sell Blackett, keep McNair but loan him out.
I know it's not likely, as it would be competition overkill, but it would give us plenty of options. Considering the injury records of our CB's, could we have too many?
Blackett and McNair both extended their contract so they're not leaving, I even doubt both will go on loan. Blackett maybe as he found it difficult to get games but I'm pretty sure McNair will stay as van Gaal doesn't like loaning out his talents. We'll be replacing injury prone Evans with someone who's not, that should really help matters. McNair as 5th centreback should get enough games because of injuries though, van Gaal prefers to work with youth and smaller squads.
I doubt that Ramos would be happy to come here and play right back. Besides, at his age he will be better sticking to CB
None of these are right backs though
Thats a separate issue altogether.
Ramos was a RB, started out as a RB and played RB for his first few seasons at Madrid. He could cover RB on occasion.
Wasn't impressed with Blackett at all, but it's early days with him of course. A loan would do him good, even for 6 months. McNair I was very impressed with, a loan could do him good, but if he stayed I'd be happy with that too.
He's professional enough to know if he's needed there he'd do the job, he's played at the highest level and I don't think it'd be that much of an issue on the rare occasion.
As I said, if its one of either Otamendi or Ramos we still do need cover for RB.
Whatever way people spin it, we do need two defensive players.
There is absolutely no way on earth we will be signing Sergio Ramos with any intention, in the slightest, of ever playing him at rb.
again, I am saying he would only play there when others need rest or are injured. Not his preferential position. As I just posted above, he'd carry out that role if asked, that's what world class professional footballers do.
Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Rafael and Mcnair would all be ahead of him at right back. He's just not going to play there.
We'll be signing him as our senior centre back, to help the others, no way would we move him away from the centre.
If it's not Ramos and Otamendi and its only one of them, who is the RB we get then?
Top quality RB's are at a premium it seems. Fabinho is being linked, Clyne is on the verge of joining Scousehampton. Coleman? That's gone very quiet, can't recall him being linked with United since Moyes attempted the double swoop.
Top quality RB's are at a premium it seems. Fabinho is being linked, Clyne is on the verge of joining Scousehampton. Coleman? That's gone very quiet, can't recall him being linked with United since Moyes attempted the double swoop.
No ones seriously thinking we would sign Ramos to play right back, £35mill plus de Gea to play him out of position ffs.On topic, i hope we sign Otamendi rather then Ramos. Guy would become a cult hero rather quickly i think and play at his prime for longer then we would have Ramos.
On topic, i hope we sign Otamendi rather then Ramos. Guy would become a cult hero rather quickly i think and play at his prime for longer then we would have Ramos.
He played RB for years! Sorry to repeat myself!
If it's not Ramos and Otamendi and its only one of them, who is the RB we get then?
Top quality RB's are at a premium it seems. Fabinho is being linked, Clyne is on the verge of joining Scousehampton. Coleman? That's gone very quiet, can't recall him being linked with United since Moyes attempted the double swoop.
Because the press don't know what rightback we're after we better sign Otamendi to play Ramos at rightback for when Valencia gets injured? Nah I'm sure the scouts have their eyes on a rightback, there's not many out there but it's not like there are none available. Fabinho is a decent shout.
I can't imagine we are going to buy both Ramos and Otamendi, we already have Smalling, Jones and Rojo.
Valencia does need a rest you know, do you expect him to play every minute of every match from premier league to champions league?
Jones is dreadful at RB, Smalling even worse and Rafael is probably going to be sold. LVG doesn't seem very fond of the guy from the looks of things. McNair could be adapted to RB, but he is young and in-experienced.
So, what are we left with? Those options for RB are pretty feckin piss poor!
I'm not saying it will happen, just my own opinion that it does make sense.
Give us plenty of options across the back line, LB, CB and RB if we had them both.
They could have alright, but the question remains then will that RB we sign be an improvement on what we got? Valencia as our main RB with Ramos as cover at RB is probably as good as that other player we missed out on recently, Alves!
Which is why we'll hopefully sign a first choice right back. Rather than act like complete Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime by signing 2 centre backs, neglecting the RB position and letting Antonio Valencia parade down our right flank as first choice RB after having seen what happened this season.
Are we still being linked here? Since the Ramos story started to heat up it's like our attention is all on him and City/Madrid are leading the Otamendi race.
Yeah when he was a young guy with long hair. He played fo years now at CB for club and country, never looked back. Just because he could paly there and palyed there, doesnt mean he will. We need his experience as a CB, not RB where we can fill in with basically anyone.
Anyone else think he'd be far better fit for us than Ramos?
Maybe but I think hes a better natural defender than Ramos. More of a leader i think as well.
Ramos is a highly talented player, no doubt about that but he's so rash at times. He'd be a huge liability card wise
Last time to say this, but Ramos is a RB also! His career started out as a RB and he played at least 4 or 5 seasons at Madrid as a RB! He was an absolute beast at RB, scored a fair amount of goals from there too.
Nah, although I like him. Ramos is the ultimate ball-playing centre back, and can play DM and RB too. Otamendi might be a better defender in the Vidic mould, but he's certainly not as composed on the ball, doesn't have the technical ability and isn't versatile.
Lol, don't be daft. The better player is the better fit - and that's Ramos.
Ramos clearly is a much better ballplaying centreback than Otamendi. Therefore he fits van Gaal's profile of a centreback much better, even if he's defensive wise a bit worse and a hothead. When given the choice, van Gaal will always pick Ramos over Otamendi.
It is a game. We will get neither.
We want Otamendi but maybe he or his agent or club want a high price. Madrd want De Gea but Manutd do not want to budge easily thus ask for Ramos. This also sends a signal to Otamendi not to be difficult because we have other alternatives. Madrid then declare interest in Otamendi who most likely prefer to go to Madrid and now have a better alternative than Manutd and can play hardball. Its a stalemate but Woody blinks first and agrees to sell De Gea or allow him to go on a free. Madrid then tie Otamendi as well and sell Ramos to PSG or Man City whom they were secretly in contact. Manutd finds it too late to bid for another defender and start the season with no defensive improvements.
We want Otamendi but maybe he or his agent or club want a high price. Madrd want De Gea but Manutd do not want to budge easily thus ask for Ramos. This also sends a signal to Otamendi not to be difficult because we have other alternatives. Madrid then declare interest in Otamendi who most likely prefer to go to Madrid and now have a better alternative than Manutd and can play hardball. Its a stalemate but Woody blinks first and agrees to sell De Gea or allow him to go on a free. Madrid then tie Otamendi as well and sell Ramos to PSG or Man City whom they were secretly in contact. Manutd finds it too late to bid for another defender and start the season with no defensive improvements.
Yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen.
Whatever games are being played, I doubt anything is done to lower Otamendi's price. Valencia don't want to sell him so hold him to his clause, we can get Otamendi easily if Ramos extends his contract. I like the idea of checking better options in Ramos first, it also sends a message and I'm sure the club has its backup targets like van Gaal said.
Are you seriously ratin McNair as a CB?
Him & Blackett would never have gotten games last season, if it werent for injury's & loss of form for Smalling, Jones & Rojo..
He'll not want to be playin RB now man. CB is where its at for a defender of his stature - RB would be like a demotion..
Probably, but it is only as cover when others need rest or are injured.
People make such a big deal out of it, if we do sign him it's bound to happen anyway at some stage.
You don't?! He was brilliant last season for a 20yo kid. That game against Chelsea....
McNair had one nightmare game (southampton) but looked calm and composed for most of the rest of the games I thought. Was nervous as feck everytime Blackett played though.
I dont think he'd want to play at RB & would be pretty adamant about that too Ricky..
Do you think Rooney wants to play midfield? Or Mata right wing? Doubtful. But professionals will be just that, they'll do whats best for the team, the club and it's fans.
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