More like #DENCH amirite?
Nicolas Otamendi | City Player
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The logical thing to do is have 3 strong CB's.
Injuries, rest and the 55 game season you get when you make the CL knockouts and go deep in the domestic cups mean you can normally keep 3 happy enough. Demichelis started 28 prem games last year. Kompany is often out and will be 30 soon.
If possible, I'd spend a large portion of our budget getting him and Ramos.
Victor Valdes
Valencia - Ramos - Otamendi - Shaw
Sell Evans. Loan McNair. Smalling and Jones back up. Rojo covers both CB and left back. Jones CB and RB.
Victor Valdes
Valencia - Ramos - Otamendi - Shaw
Sell Evans. Loan McNair. Smalling and Jones back up. Rojo covers both CB and left back. Jones CB and RB.
Looks horrible to me.
I really don't understand people wanting Otamendi over Ramos, I hear people say because he's younger but theres only 2 years in the difference. Price wise theres not gonna be a lot in the difference seen as Valencia seem to want to hold out for his release clause plus Ramos has been one of the best defenders in the world for nearly 10 years, Otamendi has only really burst onto the stage in the last year.
Of course I'd love to sign both however I think we'll only be signing 1 cb this summer and if it's not Ramos then I'd welcome Otamendi but if it's a choice, it's gotta be Ramos.
Of course I'd love to sign both however I think we'll only be signing 1 cb this summer and if it's not Ramos then I'd welcome Otamendi but if it's a choice, it's gotta be Ramos.
You're forgetting the part where Ramos gets sent off and caught out more often than the other good CBs right? He has his good parts and his bad parts. Otamendi is a better defender which is the most important part of being a CB
Otamendi made the 2nd most clearances, 3rd most tackles, 2nd most headers of any CB making 10 or more league appearances in la liga
All a lot more than Ramos
Otamendi made the 2nd most clearances, 3rd most tackles, 2nd most headers of any CB making 10 or more league appearances in la liga
All a lot more than Ramos
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a couple of weeks ago people were complaining about otamendi because he'd only done it for one season. now he's suddenly better than ramos who's been consistently good for years.
Has he though? He's always been questioned for his defending
What a silly point. Of course he has, he plays for Valencia and Ramos plays for Madrid, massive gulf in class so of course Valencias defenders will have more work to do.
His name makes me envision an otter, with a little hard hat and hammer.
For this reason alone, I want him.
For this reason alone, I want him.
I think Otamendi had a better season than Ramos but, I do not think we should sign him either. He is an aggressive stopper but, we already have two of those type in Jones and Rojo. I think we need more of a ball playing CB to fill the need.
One thing that Ramos has over Otamendi is that he is a proven product over multiple seasons. Otamendi has only had one season at this level, a bit like Kane, except 6 years older. He might have been good before too but La Liga is a different level to the Portuguese league and playing against the likes of Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Ronaldo, James, Bacca, Benzema, Neymar etc.
There is 15 other teams in La Liga.
There is but its the top 6-7 really that you see how good a defender really is against. He should be able to do well against the lower teams.
I agree, a year ago I had no idea who was Otamendi. Valencia paid 15 mill € and now probably someone will pay the 50 mill clause.
Just read about the City interest. If they snap him up and Ramos just fecks us around and we miss out on both I will be annoyed. I don't really mind if it is Ramos or Otamendi - just get one of them.
Yea we are discussing which one of two we'd like more but if we end up with neither now alot and I mean alot of people are going to be so incredibly pissed off !
Not to mention the glorious beard he has...
What we need right now is for City to sign Otamendi and Arsenal to get Schneiderlin all while we spend our time chasing Ramos and Schweinsteiger because we want big names.
Scarily enough this is probably most likely. While we dream of signing the biggest and best names, unless deals are done swiftly we risk missing out.
To be fair, if you're Otamendi or Schneiderlin in those circumstances, you'd ve forgiven for thinking "feck them so, if i'm not their first choice, they won't be mine".
Woodward needs to stop being a muppet and do what's best for the team.
Our two big name signings last year worked out pretty well, didn't they? As opposed to the punts we've taken on Herrera, Rojo and Blind... God forbid we go the same way like with these three and sign Schneiderlin, Otamendi and Fabinho.
Ramos is so overrated. Even my Madrid friends says so. He's good in the air but he's too dumb many times a match.
Just read a comment on a Madrid forum, saying they would need to offload Lucas Silva if they want to bring in Otamendi. I'm guessing this is because of EU player squad restrictions? Anyone know if this is true?
I read somewhere that Marcelo or somebody will apply for Spanish citizenship to help Madrid bypass this
When are friends a logical criterium to judge if somebody qualifies as being quality or not ? How on earth is somebody overrated when they have been at the heart of the defense for 10 years at a club like Real Madrid ?
This is what I don't get, loads of caps for spain to.When are friends a logical criterium to judge if somebody qualifies as being quality or not ? How on earth is somebody overrated when they have been at the heart of the defense for 10 years at a club like Real Madrid ?
If he was as suspect as people made out he wouldn't have stayed at cutthroat madrid for 10 years.
That sounds feasible but it's still not enough. I just looked up the rule and it says Clubs in La Liga can "retain" no more than 3 Non-EU players.
The currently have Rodriguez, Marcelo, Navas, Silva, Danilo and Casemiro. Even if they nationalised Marcelo, got rid of Navas and sent Casermiro on loan, Otamendi would make 4.
I think Danilo qualifies from his time in Portugal to gain Portugesse citizenship, that's why most South Americans go there to make future transfers easier and more feasible.
When are friends a logical criterium to judge if somebody qualifies as being quality or not ? How on earth is somebody overrated when they have been at the heart of the defense for 10 years at a club like Real Madrid ?
Yup, dunno how many league titles and Champions league he has won at Real Madrid to justify it. All I can tell you is that he's great on the air but that's it. He's just common after that. And pretty dumb sometimes.
Let's see how Otamendi deals with the pressure next season. First with the pressure that he is now a well-known defender and is now expected to perform and if he makes a mistake it will be all over the press.
Second with the pressure at a huge club in big games or knock-out ties. I mean it's one thing playing for the underdog Valencia and facing Barca/RM where really it goes like this: "Barca/RM are the favourites, we don't have much to lose", and a completely different thing to always play for the favourites where every mistake is discussed in detail.
Ramos has been able to deal with these kind of pressure for almost a decade now.
Second with the pressure at a huge club in big games or knock-out ties. I mean it's one thing playing for the underdog Valencia and facing Barca/RM where really it goes like this: "Barca/RM are the favourites, we don't have much to lose", and a completely different thing to always play for the favourites where every mistake is discussed in detail.
Ramos has been able to deal with these kind of pressure for almost a decade now.
Ah that would make sense then.
Marca saying he's Real's number one target if Ramos leaves. Funny how things work out.
I am not surprised we are reluctant to pay the release clause, he has only had one good season and fact it has taken him so long to have it is definitely a concern. There does seem to be a lack of quality cb's around though so we probably are going to spend a fortune on someone who isn't really a huge upgrade on what we already have.
And yet Valencia had a better defensive record. Excuses. He had more to do and did it better
surely no one seriously thinks we'd buy both this chap and Ramos!
Smalling already signed a new contract and it seems that Jones will in the coming days. It would only make sense if one of them or Rojo are sold.
We could push Rojo to LB as competition for Shaw? Only moving him back when we have injuries, lord knows we get plenty of them!
I mentioned it on the Ramos thread, personally I think signing the two of them is the ideal scenario, it's not likely though I admit. It would cover defence completely for us.
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